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Is it one person?

If so that would be Josepha Antonia. If it is two separate people "Jph." is the abbreviation for Joseph (it would Josepha if it was Jpha.) and "Antta." is the abbreviation for Antonia.

Hope this helps!

Sergio Sean Salés

Here is a link to the pasajero record for Juan Montes Vigil I in 1611. He was single when he came to New Spain then married Catalina de Herrera Cantillana in Zacatecas in 1619, according to one site (www.hgrc-nm.org).

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…

Robert Martinez

I wrote an article many years ago titled NOTES ON THE MONTES VIGIL FAMILY OF ZACATECAS for Herencia Journal, which is for the Hispanic Genealogical Research Center of New Mexico. It has a lot of entries from the civil archives in Zacatecas for the Vigil family.

So far, not much is known about the ancestry of Catalina de Herrera Cantillana, except she came from Spain.

I will see if a pasajero entry has been found for her. Francisco's mother may never be known, as in two wills, his father Juan Montes Vigil never gave his mother's name.

The Jimenez de Ancizo family has yet to be researched, to my knowledge. But I am continuing my search for these ancestors, as are many other dedicated researchers and genealogists.

Hi Tricia,

I'm sorry I can't offer any information on the Vigil family from Zacatecas
but I do have a question for you. It seems that several of the Francisco
Vigil's had this as a surname - Montes Vigil De Santillana

When I go to the LDS new.familysearch.org site and follow the various links
going back I don't see the person who was a
parent/grandparent/greatgrandparent who wore the Santillana surname. Do you
know how Santillana was introduced to this line of Montes Vigil de
Santillana's???

Main reason I'm asking is that my Balthasar Vigil is referred to as
Balthasar Vigil Antillana in one record and since Antillana is so rare I
have to think it is Santillana and that maybe there is a connection here:

Jan.28, 1780 Juana Nepomucena Carvajal, HL Dionicio Carvajal y Juana Vargas
con Jose Antonio Vigil Antillana, HL Barltasar Vigil Antillana y Juana
Lugarda Tafoya

Do you think that the name comes from the "Herrera Cantillana" you mention
in your email. Really stretching here but

Femat and Femá with Romo de Vivar

Hello

I came across this information today:

The name Femá is also written as Femat, judging from two documents:

1. Marriage dispensa for Don Fernando Femá and Dona Teodora Romo de Vivar,
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995
Guadalajara
Diócesis de Guadalajara
Matrimonios 1735-1819
Image 45 of 278

This doc has a tree for Monica Romo de Vivar and two of her sons and their sons and their son/daughter (who wish to marry). One son of Monica has the name Fermin Femá and the other is given as Pedro Romo de Vivar.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18402-92423-90?cc=1874591&wc…

2. The Información Matrimonial for Fermín Antonio Femat and
Mónica Romo de Vivar (dated 17/Oct/1715 in Aguascalientes, Sagrario) IMAGE 166 ON THE FOLLOWING:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11627-22110-47?cc=1410092&…

Monica's proposed husband is named as Fermin Antonio Femat, and his father has the same name (end with

Dear Group,
I'm hoping there's someone out there that likes reading the old church entries.  This is an unusual request, I know; but I don't know any other way to do this.  On the pilot site, I'm researching difunciones entries for Nstra Sra De Guadalupe, Salinas Victoria, Nvo Leon 1745-1836, specifically image 140.  It's on the right, third from the bottom.  This is my 7ggrandfather, Martin De Arrambide, and I need to know if I'm reading the entry correctly.  I'm not sure about a word that comes after his name; it could indicate that my research with that line is finished in Mexico.  Also, does it say that he had a mason's burial?  What's that? I'm confused and all help would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks so much,   Alice

you know you can index a collection from the guadalajara dispensas that hasn't been indexed yet(at least most of it, even if you can't decipher every single name), and submit it to her. she will most likely reply within a week(or less if you're lucky).

You have bad luck in that most of your posts aren't emailed to the group. It's because of a glitch with the server that still hasn't been corrected.

I am surprised Claudia never got back with you on indexing dispensas.

I don't think there is a project for indexing documents post 1900 for Nochistlán. Joseph Puentes might know.

You can go to https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing to see if there is a project you are interested in.

To reiterate, I think an index of the Información Matrimonial records of Nochistlán would be very helpful to a lot of people.

Armando

Hi. My name is Bernie Chavez.I am researching My familywhich are from the
area around Guadalajara, Jalisco. Specifically, my great-grandfather,
Bernardino Chavez and his parents, Cenofio Chavez and Cristina (Magallanes)
Chavez all lived in this area.
Bernardino was, according to family lore, cristened In May of 1860 in the
Parroquia de San Jose de Analco in Guadalajara. Not much else is known
about his life in Mexico apart from that. We do know that he crossed the
border around the time of the revolution, 1909 or 1910.
My great grandmother, Luz (Mendoza) Chavez was born in or around 1891 to
Eleno and Cruzita Mendoza. again, not much is known of her, either. We are
sure that she lived in Jalisco, but most family stories about her are not
clear where in the state.
I would greatly appreciate any help you have to offer.
thanks,
Bernie Chavez

this doucment states that they share the 3rd degeree of consanguity(aka. technical term for second cousins) this doucment also states the parents of the groom and bride.

the next page states how they are related in the 1st testigo paragraph.

pioquinto's maternal grandpa-ygnacio lopez, and estfana's paternal grandma- lugarda lopez, are silings.

thanks for sharing this link. i feel so sorry for malinche. she's a victim not a traitor,

George, You are out of luck. For marriages from Ojo Caliente you need to check the matrimonial investigations prior 1861. The marriage book is missing. If you don't find what you are looking for check San Francisco de los Adame, Guadalupe and El Sagrario. Another option also is that the Baptismal records from Ojo Caliente includes the name of the grandparents that is very nice. Good Luck. Susana

Juan López de Lara and Doña Catalina de Nava were siblings of María López de Lara. All three were children of Andrés López de Lara and María González de Villegas y López de Nava. María López de Lara also had children named Catalina and Juan.

Armando

VQC

While you can certainly view films at a Family History Center (FHC), you should first take a look at the Family Search website and see what is available on line. The site is at https://www.familysearch.org/

If you decide or order a film, the film ordering process is handled through this same website. You must be a registered user to order films.

There is a nominal charge for a short term loan; you can extend the loan (for a fee), as well as get the film on permanent loan (another fee) at the FHC. The fee is paid when you make the order. The film can only be used at the FHC, and is viewed their with a microfilm reader. Some centers will have a film scanner, or other printing capabilities. These are different machines than the reader.

The microfilm readers project an image from the film on a white screen; it is not computerized. The microfilm readers usually have a zoom feature, but cannot invert the image (that is, make a positive image into a negative image).

The online images

The second surname of Juan de Torres is Villasana. Look at the letter s in the word vesino, they are written the same. Same thing for the second s in sesentainueve años. He is adding a loop at the bottom of the s in order to get the pen over to the next letter. Because of that this priest wrote the letter s in three different forms.

Also read the following thread www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19186

Armando

Today is your lucky day. You need to thank Claudia Casillas and Rosalinda Ruiz for posting an index of dispensas 1724-1725 Film 168367 because it includes a dispensa for Fabian Rodríguez & Margarita Pérez. I think the best way you could pay them back is by helping with the indexing of at least one film.

http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2013/02/1724-1725-fhl-source-film-1…

Armando

You should look for the records of Información Matrimonial to see of the parents are mentioned there. You should also look for the records of marriages and Información Matrimonial of children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. Once you have looked for all of those you should look for dispensas of children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren.

This is the same process you should be using for everyone you have not found ancestors for.

Since you have so many ancestors in Nochistlán it would be worth your time to index all of the Información Matrimonial records. You can make a spreadsheet with names of the bride and the groom and their parents and the date. It can be time consuming but you it will likely help you a lot.

Armando

Monica

Is there a Catholic church marriage for Jose? If so, then there should be a matrimonial investigation. Sometimes matrimonial investigations will have baptismal information, ocassionally even a specific citation for the baptismal record (volume and number or page).

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA