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Does anyone know where Mesquite de Charco is located?

I have been looking for this family for a long time and recently found their marriage record 6 March 1803. The following is their IM

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGLV-T7Y

Jose Tomas Rodriguez (B:1776 in Camarillo, Mesquite de Charco) and Maria Dorothea Contreras en Los Contreras, Mesquite de Charco (1783)

I have seen this name before but can't remember if it was in Zacatecas, or San Luis Potosi. Los Contreras, I have seen this some time ago and can't remember where and I've looked through some records of the contreras and can't find the location. two of their children were born in Lagunillas, but the records are missing or illegible another was born in las Vuidas, I believe in that is in Asientos, Aguascalientes.

Thanks for your help!!

Has anyone used a local genealogist to obtain records at the government
archives in Guadalajara? There are multiple documents at the Biblioteca
Pública "Juan José Arreola" at the Universidad de Guadalajara but I'm
unable to visit in person to review them. I would like to find someone who
can get access to the Registro de Archivo Civil and hopefully make
copies/take high quality pictures and email them to me. If you know of
anyone who can do this for reasonable compensation, can you share their
information with me?

Busco alquien que puede obtener los registros en archivos en Guadalajara por
que yo no puedo ir en person. Hay varios documentos en la Biblioteca
Pública "Juan José Arreola" de la Universidad de Guadalajara (Registro de
Archivo Civil). Busco una person hacer copias / tomar imágenes de alta
calidad y enviarlas por correo electrónico. Conocen alquien que puede hacer
esto de una compensación razonable?

Gracias--Arturo

Hi I thought I'd share this with you guys. A while back, I found the death certificate of my Great Great Great Great grandmother, Guadalupe Camacho. According to the record, at the time of her death, she was 115 years old. In all my years of searching through the records at Family Search, I've never seen something this incredible. Now I know most records back that recorded ages were usually somewhere around 1-5 years off but even if this is the case, that's still pretty old. Unfortunately, I dont have a marriage or baptism record to back up this claim. Also her last born child was back in 1847 which would have made her 64 at the time. There are several cases of women being able to give birth at such an advance age.

Here's the record.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPF9-K9T?i=57&wc=MGDF-16T%…

Hello, does anyone have any information on Ignacio López de Elizalde & Maria Cano? I have hit a road block. I know that they were both born sometime between the 1660s - 1670s and for some reason I cannot recall I have their place of birth as Aguacalientes. I tried finding where I got that information but for the life of me cannot retrieve it. I have seen some other people state his parents as Nicolas López de Elizalde y Luevana and Juana de Ortega y Bonilla although I don't want to just add parents without proper documentation. Any help will be appreciated!

Thanks,
Vanessa

Hola a todos!!!!

Después de algunos años de haber dejado en pausa; estoy retomando mi investigación. Pero tengo algunas dudas con las que espero puedan ayudarme.

Dentro de mi investigación genealógica aparece el nombre de Diego González Vega o Diego González de Hermosillo, en algunos sitios encontré información en la que se menciona que era Mayordomo de La reina Juana I de Castilla mejor conocida como "Juana La Loca". me gustaría saber si esto es cierto y si ustedes tienen mas información al respecto o algo más de historia sobre este personaje.

También tengo otra duda, Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo tuvo entre sus hijos a Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio; mi duda es en que momento y porque adquiere el apellido GUTIÉRREZ????

De antemano Muchas Gracias y Saludos a Todos.

Does anyone have ALESSANDRO VITELA's email address?

ALESSANDRO VITELA was once a member of nuestrosranchos.orgmunity.

In 2009, ALESSANDRO VITELA had asked for help in finding the parents of Encarnacion Cervantes and Maria Nasaria Navarro.

It wasn't until yesterday when I was looking for members that have Cervantes in their lineage that I reviewed his request and did another search for us information.

I found the information but this morning I checked to see if ALESSANDRO VITELA was still a member of nuestrosranchos. He left our group in 2013. Does anyone have anyway of contacting him so that I may be able to pass on this information?

This is the information that he had asked me for:

"Jose Encarnacion Cervantes is the son of Juan Agustin Cervantes. I am not sure but believe that the name of his mother is Maria del Carmen (Carmel) Santa Cruz.

Maria Nasaria Navarro Napoles is the daughter of Juan Joseph Navarro and Juana Maria Napoles. She was baptized on 8/August/1779.

Maria Nasaria's brother, Jose Antonio Navarro and his wife Maria Feliciana Barragan are the godparents to one of Nazaria's sons."

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Hi Everyone,
Here's the dispensation record for Diego de Estrada II and Sebastiana Montaño dated 1724.

This doc shows the link between the Estradas, Cortez, Montaños, Gomez de Espejo, and Ruiz de Velasco.

From their union, you get the Muños de la Barba and Gutierrez connection.
Diego de Estrada and Sebastiana Montaño's (1708-1753) children, two that I have verified, were:

Luisa Rosalia de Estrada m.1756 to Luis Antonio Muños de la Barba (Juan Muños de la Barba & Juana Hernandez)

Nicolas de Estrada m.1753 María Magdalena Gutierrez (Lucas Gutierrez & Manuela Delgado)

Hope this helps.

Joe

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this person or persons.
There are several marriage entries in "Asuncion, Mexico, Distrito Federal, Mexico" with the name "Antonio de Nava y Estrada" as a groom. One has the inclusion of "Cano" as a surname. The marriage entry dates are 1643, 1654, 1659. *see pics

Can anyone shed some light on this person(s).

Thanks,
Joe

Hola, yo me llamo Martha Gomez y tengo a la mayoria de mis antepasaso en tepatitlan jalisco. y son Gutierrez , Navarro , Aceves, Hernandez, Rubio.Ybarra, Gonzalez,

asi que yo pienso que tu y yo tenemos antepasados en comun si quieres mandame un poquito de tus antepasados para ver si los tenemos en comun ok?

I am including this email both to the group and to you. The
nuestrosranchos.org group is absolutely FREE. I have never asked anyone
to submit 14 generations and sometimes I've accepted as few as 1
generation for those that are new to genealogy. I don't know if there
are individuals in the group studying exactly these lines but I'll know
in a few days as the messages circulate among the members. I've not
considered a person for membership based on the trade system you are
proposing. Of course there are individuals in the group that probably
thought the same thoughts you are verbally expressing. If anyone in the
group replies I'll certainly put you in contact with those individuals
if they request to communicate with you, but I'll need to think about
your request for membership as your terms have activated my concern
related to "what is best for the group".

I'll let you know.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Joseph,

I meant to ask you if this is going to come down to making payments for
information. I hope not since I am willing to share my research on the
condition that they lay open theirs for me to see. As I told you
before, I have 14 generations of research on my father's side to share
but on an equal basis. Of most importance is the research on the
Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara ancestral line. If they have nothing on
this then I may have to reconsider because what I will make know has
been researched for many years by the Micheles of Jalisco under the
leadership Padre Salvadore Michel of Guadalajara a descendent of Pedro
Regalado Michel Corona. When you speak to the researchers ask them if
they can assist me with research on Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara
ancestral line which connects with Perez de Alencastre line that
connects with the Micheles of Tonaya and beyond. It is at this juncture
of my research, Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara that I am stymied and would
like to move on if possible. If they can help with this I am willing to
help them as well

Sincerely,

Juan Andres Michel

Hi,
Is any one out here researching the Delgadillo's of Aguatinta, Lo De Carrera, Nochistlán, Mechoacanejo y Teocaltiche? Or can Help us locate missing information?

Several of my distant cousins and I who have Family trees have been Stuck for a long time now on Francisco Delgadillo and Anna María Ruiz; born circa 1745. Non of their kids records contain information of their grandparents, nor have we been able to find the Marriage Records for Francisco and Anna Ma. There are a couple of Franciscos born around the time in Teocaltiche but I do not know if it is one of them or not at all. Does any one have any information that can help us or suggestions?
Thanks,
SIS

Can someone please tell me if this church is Presbyterian? I can't read Spanish, and I have a lot of marriages and baptismal records for my family. I also need to know what the name of the Presbyterian in Union de San Antonio also. Thank you for your help.

Hola primos! I'm a new member here, and I'm really excited to share my discoveries and learn from all of you. My name's Eduardo and I live in San Jose, California. I have been researching my family history for about 15 years, but I only just recently moved into my Mexican lines after discovering the fantastic indexes over at Familysearch.com.

I try to be very careful about what makes it into my tree. If I don't have solid support for something, I'll hold off until the evidence gets better.

I can speak/read/write both in English and Spanish. But I was raised in the U.S., so English comes to me more naturally. I'm one half Mexican. My mother is from Guadalajara and was the only one of 11 kids raised in her family to leave Mexico. Most of my aunts and uncles have died off, so I feel that my base, my connection with family and to the real Mexico is fading. I am sad about that. I wish it weren't so.

I'm a lawyer by training (but I don't practice law), so I tend to be precise, analytical, skeptical, etc. Anyway, I'll try to post relevant stuff and be helpful. Let me know if there is something I can do for you!

Oh, Joseph Puentes said I should put this link in my introduction: eduardo1966
(Did I do that right?)

Kind regards,

Eduardo Fisher
eduardo1966

You can use family finder for free.

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I recently let my Ancestry.com subscription lapse because of the cost and a lack of relevant new databases there. I've pretty much tapped out that site over the years.

But Ancestry.mx seems to have transcriptions of Familysearch.com Mexican records that are not transcribed on Familysearch. I checked the price for a subscription at Ancestry.mx, and it is about half what it costs for Ancestry.com.

Has anybody tried and been successful at subscribing to Ancestry.mx from a US-based IP address? Is so, were you able to subscribe with your ID from Ancestry.com?

If Ancestry.mx permits this, I'm ready to give it a go.

I have connected myself to the Ramirez Cornejo family. I found a mention in Holcombe's papers. One of the sources is

“Prueba de nobleza y limpieza de sangre” made by Cristóbal José Gómez Cornejo, 10 June 1758 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco

Any idea how to locate this document? Thank you

Alex

Hi All,

Here's a few doc images relating to Diego de Estrada (Bocanegra y Munoz de la Barba) and Antonia Gomez de Espejo (Ruiz de Velasco)(Velasco de Espejo) and two of their sons, Antonio and Juan.

Images:
1) Diego and Antonia marriage entry
2) Diego de Estrada death entry
3) Antonio de Estrada baptismal entry, son of Diego and Antonia
4) Juan (Gomez) de Estrada baptismal entry, son of Diego and Antonia
5) Antonia Gomez (de Espejo) death entry
6) Antonio de Estrada death entry, widow Ana Maria Rubio
7) Juan Gomez (de Estrada) death entry, widow Maria Rubio(a)

Hope this helps anyone looking to confirm and site info one these ancestors.

Regards,
Joe

P.S. If you have any more info on the people mentioned above, please contact me. Thx

I have some new info on Diego de Estrada who was married to Antonia Gomez de Espejo Velasco.
The documents are from a marriage dispensation for Manuel Avino & Maria de Jesus Cortes. Maria was the daughter of Yfigina de Estrada and Yfigina was the daughter of Diego de Estrada. It seems to mention that Diego's mother was Ana de la Barba.

Could someone please help with the translation.

Thx,
Joe

I would like info on this, too....I'm related to the Camarena
family...Emilia Camarena....(my grandmother's mother)....from Arandas,
Mexico....she married Jose Gutierrez (also from the area)....If you have
any information, I would really appreciate your help.

Best to all and thank you very much for this link....

Patricia Lawrence

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Does anybody know who the parents of Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra are? I descend from the Bocanegra from my Cervantes line but have been unable to go further on this line. Beatriz is the wife of Bernardino de Estrada "El Viejo" who is the son of Conquistador Francisco de Estrada, and grandson of Juan Sanchez de Estrada.

Thanks,
R.A.Ricci

Luciano Lomellini is named in a will of his brother Napoleone Lomellini in 1587.

They are the sons of Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini and Caterina Spinola

Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini is the son of Goffredo Lomellini and one of his two wives

Goffredo Lomellini was married twice, first to Bartolommea Fiesco (daughter of Giacomo Fiesco) and secondly to Novella Cicala ( daughter of Simone Cicala)

Luciano Lomellini is mostly likely born c 1555

There is a Giacomo Fiesco that is a viceroy of Naples and is the father of Saint Catherine of Genoa. I have not confirmed that they are the same Giacomo Fiesco.

I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

Hello, Cousins.

Recently saw in my inbox a discussion on the Leal de Ayala family. Don't know how to respond via that method, so I'm posting my comments on this forum.

I, too, descend from Agustin Gomez de Mendoza and Maria Leal de Ayala (dtr of Joseph Leal de Ayala and Josefa de Carvajal y Lomelin). Maria's paternal grandparents are Cristobal Leal and Francisca de Ayala. All this is researched and well-known. Jaime Holcombe wrote of them and Mariano Gonzalez-Leal included a chapter on Leal de Ayala in his invaluable Retoños.

What I have not seen published are the parents of Cristobal Leal. Of course, I may have missed it. But just in case...

In the Guadalajara protocolos of Diego Perez de Rivera is the 30 Nov 1665 testament of Cristobal Leal originally from La Huasteca, Provincia de Panuco. His parents were Juan de Cervantes and Juana Leal, both deceased. He named his wife Francisca de Ayala, hl of Antonio de Llamas and Mariana de Ayala, and stated her dowry had been 1500 pesos. He named the following eight children: Joseph, Maria (cc Felipe de Rivera), fray Tomas, Juana, priest Antonio, Cristobal Leal, Francisca Leal de Ayala and Gertrudis de Ayala y Leal.

In the Guadalajara protocolos of Jose Lopez Ramirez is the 30 Jul 1687 testament of Francisca de Ayala, hl Antonio Llamas and Mariana de Ayala, both deceased. Her husband Cristobal Leal was also deceased. She named the following seven children: Maria, Gertrudis, Francisca, Joseph Leal, fray Tomas, priest Antonio, and Juan Leal (deceased).

On page 137 of his edited letters, Jaime Holcombe referred to Cristobal Leal's testament and mentioned where to find it. I don't think he ever had a chance to see it.

I just posted in Dropbox my FGS of Cristobal Leal cc Francisca de Ayala and Joseph Leal de Ayala cc Josefa de Carvajal. These were done some time ago and are incomplete, but may be of help to someone.

Mary Lou Montagna

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Somos Primos October 2016 Table of Contents Please copy and paste: http://somosprimos.com/sp2016/spoct16/spoct16.htm

Dear Family and Friends:

Hope you all enjoyed some Hispanic Heritage Month activities in September; we still have two weeks in October to complete our month. It is nice to identify a time period to ask for recognition of our heritage. Our population keeps increasing in size and public awareness is good for all.

You'll enjoy a map showing the distribution of Latinos in the United States. Viewing the map made an impact on me.

It turns out that half of all Hispanics/Latinos in the United States live in California and Arizona, neither of which state has ever had a Latino United States Senator in Congress.

You'll find quite a few articles on immigrants and government amnesties.

You'll enjoy a special article on the Summer Olympics by Mercy Bautista Olvera on Hispanics who won an Olympic Medal, not only United States winners, but Hispanics from Spanish speaking countries, Mexico, Puerto Rico Cuba, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela, Spain.

A surprise support for Rancho del Sueno came from a song, Soldier's Song, sung by David Meza. Do listen to it. It is very touching:
https://youtu.be/XR2EV4B7BLo. The composer, Mel Harker will send a CD copy to anyone that donates to Rancho del Sueno, the herd of horses whose DNA ancestry goes back to the earliest horses brought into the Americas by our Spanish ancestors. Mr. Harker action is in strong support of Resurrecting Lives whose mission is to help returning Veterans deal with the traumatic effects of war, a focus of concern and involvement in which Rancho del Sueno has also been involved.

Thank you Mel, who can be reached at 1 562 477 8575.
audio2visual@gmail.com

The California drought has greatly increased the burden of caring for the herd.
So a very special thank you to Steve and Jane Shanahan, who applied, requested and received a large grant from the Nebraska Lincoln Community
Foundation for Rancho del Sueno. Thank you to the Shanahans and
Lincoln Community Foundation.

God bless America, Mimi
www.SomosPrimos.com

TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
Two different counter-terrorism measures amendments unanimously approved authored by
U.S. Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) Latino Representation in the US Senate non-existent for Californians, historically unfair.
New Survey Today: U.S. Latino Population Growth Dramatization of 1849 Debates which resulted in the Bilingual Document for the 1849 California Constitution
2016 Hispanic-Owned Businesses in the U.S. and Educational Attainment The first Wal-Mart store opened in 1962 Mexican-American civil-rights conference meets in Laredo, September 14th, 1911 Recollections of the 48th Anniversary of the 1968 U.S. Commission on Civil Rights Hearing Civil Rights--How Far We Have Come!
The Lost Mexicans of t he Bastanchury Ranch , the Deported by Gustavo Arellano AB 146: New California Law Urges Schools to Include a Lesson on Mexican “Repatriation”
Congress tried to fix immigration back in 1986. Why did it fail? by Brad Plumer
1986 IRCA Amnesty Failed for Mexicans, but not for Over-Stayed Visa Holders by Mimi Lozano The Seven Amnesties Passed by Congress Undocumented students go “back home” to Mexico for the first time

SPECIAL
Hispanic Olympian Medal Winners Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 2016 by Mercy Bautista-Olvera

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Ramon "Chunky" Sanchez
Rancho Del Sueño: Home of the Endangered Wilbur-Cruce Mission Horses Random Act of Mendez Month, RAM, September 15 - October 15 National Historic Landmark Site of Mendez v. Westminster

HISTORIC TIDBITS
Details of the expeditions of Hernando de Soto Rare Film from 1932 Isabel de Castilla, la primera mujer en aparecer en monedas y sellos de los Estados Unidos

HISPANIC LEADERS
San Juanita Martinez-Hunter, Ph. D.
Juan Gabriel’s Ashes, Purple Rains and the Rebirth of the Pachuco

LATINO PATRIOTS
Soldier's Song
Inside The Army’s Spectacular Hidden Treasure Room Lest We Forget: Latino/Chicano Veterans

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
The Gathering Storm by Judge Edward Butler September 1779 by Joe Perez

My grandfather Jose Mena, I was told he was born in 1904 Union de San Antonio, Jalisco, Mexico.
He married Juana Valderrama in Los De Moreno on February 1 1923. She was born 1907 in same town.
They had 2 son names Guadalupe born 1926 and Leopoldo born 1925 on their border crossing index card from Laredo Texas it reads they were born in El Jaralito, Jalisco, Mexico. I can’t find El Jaralito, Jalisco. Can someone please let me know where it is? Where do I find birth Records for them. I have enclose copies of border crossing documents. I hope they show up, My first time sending attach files.Thanks for any help. Laurie Machen