Vicente Carlos Servantes?

Does anyone have Vicente Carlos Servantes in their tree?

I estimate his birth circa 1735-45 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas.

Medina Surname

Although I don't have the Medina surname in my tree, I have also been curious about it because the name is common in northwestern Durango.

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Having a surname based on a word that was introduced to the Spanish lexicon 1,000 years earlier by Moors does not mean that they had a high likelihood of being a descendant of Moors. The Moors did not even immigrate in high numbers to Spain. They controlled a large territory of Spain but their numbers were small in comparison to the populace. In 711 AD when the Moors invaded Spain surnames did not exist as they do today. Once Christians reconquered Spanish territory they did not rename all of the towns and cities. People began to use surnames about the same time of the reconquista and many times the surname was based on the place they were from. Since there were many places named Medina many families adopted the surname Medina. Most of these families were Christian families and therefore there was no reason to suspect these people of being Moriscos. Having a surname of Arabic origin should not cause an assumption of Moorish or Arabic ancestry.

Armando

Medina Origin

Hello Nuestros Ranchos members, I have a general question. I want to know where the Medina family comes from.

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Jose,
There were several Medina lines in early Aguascalientes, and neighboring towns. Notably, over the years we have discussed the origin of Christobal Medina, and his descendants. If you search in the site's forum, you may find some evidence that links your Medinas to ours.

Jaime Alvarado

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Hi Jaime,

I have a Medina link in my genealogy as well. The last record I have is for
Jose Leon de Acosta Medina who married Juana Rafaela de Ornelas Peres in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco on Feb. 26, 1782. Jose Leon's parents are listed as
Juan Jose Acosta and Margarita Medina.

Do you have any info on Margarita Medina and her family?

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Jaime R. Alvarado wrote:

> Jose,
> There were several Medina lines in early Aguascalientes, and neighboring
> towns. Notably, over the years we have discussed the origin of Christobal
> Medina, and his descendants. If you search in the site's forum, you may
> find some evidence that links your Medinas to ours.
>
> Jaime Alvarado

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Well, the name originally is Arabic. I found one of many references but
chose this one to peruse--just a start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina

Sincerely, Marge Vallazza

On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:33 PM, wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos members, I have a general question. I want to know
> where the Medina family comes from. I have noticed, after researching my
> Medina family, that in Zacatecas there is a very high population of people
> with that last name. I have gone through several records for Rio Grande
> Zacatecas where my family is from and other locations and after spending a
> small amount of time flipping through the records I found a high volume of
> people with that last name.

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As Marge points out, Medina is an Arabic name, meaning "city." I have a friend named Omar Medina, whom I jokingly refer to as "the Arab."

I found these sites as well after a short search.

http://genealogy.about.com/od/surname_meaning/p/medina.htm

http://www.houseofnames.com/medina-family-crest

If you're on Ancestry.com: http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=medina

Laura Gonzalez

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The best place to check for Spanish surnames is a site that relies on information from Diccionario Heraldico y Nobiliario - Fernando González-Doria and
Repertorio de Blasones de la Comunidad Hispánica - Vicente de Cadenas y Vicent.

That site is http://www.linajes.net/

The result for a search of Medina states the following -

Linaje originario de la voz árabe madinat, que significa ciudad. Son varias la localidades españolas con este nombre, p. e. Medina de Pomar, en la provincia de Burgos, Medina de Rioseco y Medina del Campo, en la de Valladolid, Medina de las Torres, en la de Badajoz y Medina-Sidonia, en la de Cádiz.
Muchas familias cristianas oriundas de estas localidades, tomaron este nombre como apellido. Berenguer de Medina fue capitán de las huestes cristianas, pero considerado como capitán mozárabe y defendió la ciudad de Medina del Campo (Valladolid).
Cierto noble llamado Gonzalo Hernández añadió asimismo Medina a su primer apellido. Perteneció al Consejo del rey de León

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Sanchez-Castellanos

I was searching for Sanchez-Castellanos but in 1717 my garandgrand.....father Nicolas Sanchez-Castellanos founded a Capellania at the Hacienda Sta Rosa in Monte Escobedo, in that Capellania was named Antonio de Medina y Rosas married with ??? de los Santos, it was very strange for me because Nicolas said that tey were cousins, searching at family search I finded that Antonio was from Cocula, Jalisco. Here you can find one of the first Medina's in Zacatecas and was from Cocula.

General Digest, Vol 87, Issue 2

Hi Fellow Nuestro Ranchos Familia, Since we are on the Surname Origin where does the Acevedo, Valdovinos, Guerrero, Barragan, Espinoza, Maciel/Masiel  come from.

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I have all these surnames in the late 1600's to early 1700's in Michoacán and all claim to be Espanol.
Linda in Boulder City, Nv

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Pedro Sanchez de Porras Padron de Sevilla 1576

Buscando a los Sanchez-Castellanos en Sevilla encontre a Pedro Sanchez de Porras que era habitante de Sevilla en aquellos años, los Sanchez de Porras los he visto por Cuquio, Jalisco pero he visto lo

Primary source on Francisca Gauadi (Gabay)

Hello

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The earliest I have is 1618 with the birth of her son Bernabe.
Deedra Corona

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Thanks Deedra!

I was curious to see who the padrinos were (Dona ? Paredes and Juan Bauptista). Interestingly, the first entry on that page is for a girl (Catalina) whose mother was a criada for Maria Gabadi, at a place called Chapultepec (I guess that would be the Labor de Chapultepec), and the madrina was Dona Maria de Siordia. I've skimmed these pages recently, don't know how I missed Bernabe!

Regards
Denise

Juan De Carbajal & Jacinta De Oliva

Hi there,

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Im not sure if this is the same Jacinta Oliva as yours, but take a look at this dispensa for Catarina Ponce de Leon and Miguel Nunez de Miranda. Claudia's website 1639-1712 #121 film #167981 Posted March 23. I have not had a chance to really look into it. Victoriano helped with the reading for me.

Lisa

Research Digest, Vol 87, Issue 4

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Castas

Hello all:

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The term may be traslated as "taken for spanish" or "considered as spanish". So, to the priest and their neighbours they looked as "spanish/spaniard" in the castas system, but there was no easy way to prove it.

Victoriano Navarro

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Thank you, Victoriano, That is a great help!
-Scott

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Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Estimado ScottStockweII62,no se si te correponde a ti la pregunta "Castas", tratare de contestarte de la siguiente manera: Para poder entender el concepto de castas, debemos de considerar en primer lugar porque se origino. Yo considero que los religiosos de las diferentes ordenes que vinieron a la conquista, fueron antes que religiosos,todos o algunos; personas educadas en el metodo cientifico o metodo llamado de alguna manera,en esa epoca, porque los que tenemos alguna relacion en observar nuestro entorno y la naturaleza, nosotros sabemos que sin un metodo, no se puede observar. En base a esta premisa; yo observo que en esa epoca los religiosos encargados de llevar los registros parroquiales de la epoca.Tenian como antecedente, en Europa, la diversidad de razas y el resultado de sus cruzas.Al llegar a America tuvieron como punto de partida; tres razas: La indigena originaria, la europea conquistadora y dueña y la incorporada a la fuerza de Africa, la raza

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Jose:
Muchas gracias por su atención.
-Scott

Catarina Ponce de Leon

Hi Members, Can someone please read over a Dispensa for me. Really having a hard time with the writing. It is for Miguel Nunez and Catarina Ponce de Leon.

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If you could please post a direct link to the document that would make the task easier to start.
Have a nice Easter!
Victoriano Navarro

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I agree with Victoriano. When help is requested on a film whose digitized page number is already known it better to include the URL or web address of the of said document. This is due to the fact that those that are willing to help should be able to just paste and copy a link (or highlight and open in new page or tab) in order to be taken directly to the document which allows more time to study the document and less time searching for it.

Using a link tells us the locality, state, and the name of the film. Going to the first or second image of the digitized film we can see the film number. Therefore a link, URL, or web address to a document helps immensely to save time and provides all other necessary information.

Once I have time, I plan on making a guide on how to include a link and also how to highlight and go to another link for those that haven't learned how to do that.

In the meantime the link is the following

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-51495-85?cc

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Thanks for the link Armando. This is what I can read:

Nochistlán, November 8, 1711

Groom: Miguel Núñez de Miranda, widower of Agustina Macías.

Bride: Cathalina de San Juan Ponce de León, neighbour of Michoacán, daughter of Sebastián Ponce de León, deceased, & Juana de Medina. Her great grandfather was Juan Núñez del Monte, legitimate brother of Jacinta de Oliva, great grandmother of the groom.

They don't seem to give any further genealogical details.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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Sorry Guys, I do not know how to add the link. Thank you both for the help. That would be great Armando if you could make a guide to help those of us who do not know. The dispensa is in Claudia's website.

Lisa

Diego Nabarro - Ocotlan - Dec 1648 marriage of Diego Peres and Geronima Garcia

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-23858-66?cc=1874591&wc…

In looking at the record above. Right side page, last two records.

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Hi Ed,

You are welcome. A couple of images before your record there is a marriage of Lorenzo Juan and Ma. Magdalena "criados los dos de Juan Gomez", and on the side it says "de la familia de Jº Gomez". So yes, it seems that they were servants of the family written on the side. According to one source, my Navarro branch is supposed to come from Ocotlán, although I have not been able to prove it. I wonder if this Diego Navarro is related to me.

Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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Hi Ed,

At the end of the third line one can read the word "criado", and I think the word you are reading as "esclavos" is really "criados".

The world criado has currently two meanings: "criado por" indeed means "raised by", but "criado de" means "servant of".

It doesn't show in this document, but "criado en la casa de" might mean either "raised in the house of" or "servant in the house of".

Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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Thanks, Victoriano.

Reading the document again is interesting. Diego Peres (my 9th GGFather)was a "criado de" Diego Nabarro and Geronima's parents (Lorenso and Ana [10th GGparents) were "criados de" Diego Nabarro.
Now I see the significance of the note on the side of the record "Famiia de Diego Nabarro."

I guess they were all servants of Nabarro.

Thanks again, I appreciate the help.

I have found this site to be helpful in many ways.

Ed

Help with marriage Doc.

I'm having such a hard time understanding this marriage document of my ancestor Antonio Gutierres & Francisca Gonzalez?So Antonio was from Cuquio widow of Leonor Ortiz D Rubalcaba and she was also fro

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Cambié un poco la ortografía escribí las palabras completas cuando hay una abreviatura. (Francisca era de ésta, es decir de la misma parroquia de San Francisco de Tepatitlán en el Pueblo de Buena Vista) Buena Suerte

En el Pueblo de San Francisco de Tecpatitlan en 13 dias del mes de septiembre de 1733 años casé por palabras de presente y velé in facie Eclesiae a Antonio Gutiérrez español viudo de Leonor Ortis de Robalcaba vecino de la feligresía de San Felipe de Cuquio en Aposol y a Francisca González así mismo española de ésta en el puesto de Buena Vista habiendo precedido sus declaraciones información de libertad y soltería la del parentesco en cuarto grado (de) consanguinidad y causas que se presentaron para la dispensa que consiguieron del Muy Ilustre Sr Venerable Deán y cabildo cede vacante de este obispado de la Nueva Galicia y las demás obligaciones por derecho dispuestas de que no resultó otro ningún impedimento canónico distinto del dispensado, fueron testigos Joseph Romero

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Jorge,

Thanks a lot for re writing this for me to understand really appreciate it.I had a question so it mentions that Francisca Gonzalez is in (cuarto grado de consanguinidad)i tried looking through the Guadalajara Dispensas and found nothing their what do you suggest I should do?

Abram Flores

Sermeño-Ornelas Puzzle

The line I am researching is documented back to Antonio Sermeño (bap. 17 Feb 1679, Santa María de los Lagos), who married Augustina Magaña, 22 Jun 1711 in Jalos.

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I should point out that there is another María de Ornelas in Lagos at about the same time as the above-named couple; but she is married to 'Juan Pascual', and they are listed as 'Yndios' in the records. I make this distinction because the Antonio Sermeño I am working on, whose mother is also María de Ornelas, was listed as 'Español' in his baptismal record in 1679.

Lawrence Bouett
Orinda, CA

Andrés Magaña casado con Ana Ramires de Hermosillo

Does anyone have any further information about the above-captioned couple? They had at least six documented children, including Augustina (ca. 1683), Rosa María (bau. 21 Feb 1696), Petrona (nac.

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Lawrence,

I descend from this couple on my maternal side. I had originally suspected that Andres Magana could have been from Zamora, Michoacan. I had seen lots of migration from Zamora and to the eastern part of Los Altos. My father's family Mendez de Torres were one the principal families of the Obispado de Michoacan, and they intermarried extensively with families who came from Santa Maria de los Lagos, like Gonzalez de Hermosillo, Munoz de Xerez, Alcala y Mendoza, Hernandez Gamino, etc. These families arrived in Zamora around the mid 18th century.

There was an Andres Magana in Zamora, but never had the time to follow that link. Perhaps you may have the luck.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

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Daniel,

I was poking around FamilySearch, which lists an Andrés Magaña baptised in San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacán, 20 Jun 1660, parents Andrés Magaña and Beatrís de Bargos; there is also a Roque Jacinto Magaña, baptised 30 Aug 1655, in the same place and to the same parents. The FHL Film is 643759 in both cases; however, I have reviewed this film from 1653 through 1662 and I have not been able to locate either baptism.

What makes this otherwise 'shot in the dark' interesting is that one of the padrinos at the baptism of Petrona Magaña Ramires, daughter of Andrés Magaña and Ana Gonçales, on 01 Nov 1698, is Roque Magaña.

Notice that the mother's name is given as Ana Gonçales, not Ana Ramires or Ana Ramires de Hermosillo; but the mother of Rosa María, baptised 21 Feb 1696 is Ana Ramires; the mother's name for the other five children is given variously as Gonsales (1704) or Ramires (1706, 1708, and 1712). Of the six baptisms, the first two do not give a location and the last four

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Further on this post: I have located both of the baptisms mentioned above, namely, that of Andrés Magaña on 20 Jun 1660 and also that of 'Roque Jasinto' on 30 Aug 1655. The first is on image 71 of the film (FHL 643759), and the second is on image 58 of the same film.

The difference, however, is that the second baptism is not of one hijo, Roque Jasinto, but rather of twins, Roque and Jasinto (por ser mellisos)! So the Roque Magaña who is the padrino in 1698 is, in fact, the brother of Andrés.

The film is not in strict chronological order; I am in the process of indexing the dates so I will not make the same mistake again (of claiming that the record is not on the film).

Saludos,
Lawrence Bouett
Orinda, CA

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Since I somehow managed to click the 'Post comment' button twice, which resulted in duplicate messages being sent, I'm taking this opportunity to 'delete' the duplicate by adding that the line I'm working on is descended from not two, but three of the children of Andrés Magaña and Ana Ramires de Hermosillo; the third line of descent is from María Francisca, who married Sebastián Reynoso y Renteria, ca. 1693 in Jalos.

Best wishes,

Lawrence Bouett

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Lawrence,

Nice discovery, I have noticed over the years all these hints, here and there tie everything up. We would still need to confirm this. It is nice to know that were are related through Andres Magana. Remember Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Ramirez de Hermosillo are almost one in the same. Some members took on different names for whatever the reason may be.

Best wishes,
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

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Alfonso Reynoso-Rábago

Hi, Lawrence.

1) The term "Nuestra Señora de San Juan" refers to the present city of San Juan de los Lagos which for a long time (16th, 17th and part of 18th centuries, colonial times) belonged to the jurisdiction of the parish of Jalostotitlán (Jalos).

2) The Sauz, refers to "El Sauz de los Ramirez" (note that a person who you are investigating takes precisely the surname Ramirez). This site is currently located in San Miguel el Alto. In colonial times it belonged to the jurisdiction of the parish of Jalostotitlán (see map on http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/sauz-de-los-ramirez/).

Best wishes,
Alfonso Reynoso-Rábago
Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico

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El Sauz will have been an hacienda or ranch. Del Sauz is short for "de El
Sauz" There were many places called El Sauz or Los Sauces which means
willows. Over time the ranches and haciendas would be divided among the
children so it is hard to say which Sauz the record was referring to.
Someone else should be able to clarify.

Nuestra Señora de San Juan is a church in what is now called San Juan de
los Lagos whose name change was due to a large number of people from Santa
María de los Lagos, now named Lagos de Moreno, populating the city.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas%C3%ADlica_de_Nuestra_Se%C3%B1ora_de_Sa…
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_de_los_Lagos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_de_los_Lagos
http://www.inafed.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/jalisco/mpios/14073a.htm

The church in Jalos at the time was Nuestra Señora de la Asunción.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalostotitl%C3%A1n
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/jalisco/mpios/14046a.h…

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I don't know if this will help you any as I was working on one of the Martin del Campos Lines and the father of the brides is "joseph Ramires de Hermosillo" Here the two brothers married the two sisters.
familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-9381-14?cc=1874591&wc=12506204
Nuestra Señora de la Asuncion, Matrimonios 1748-1768, image 155.

Regards
Lance Gonzalez

Looking for more information for Rosa Rodriguez born 30 August 1889

Hi I'm looking for infomation such as Death and marriage documents for Rosa Rodriguez born on 30 August 1889 and Baptistized on the 30 September 1889 in Sagario Parish.

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Monica

Unfortunately, you have provided very little to work with.

For a woman born in 1889, a possible marriage date would be after 1904 (when she would have been 15), although after 1909 may be more likely.

Did the family stay in Zacatecas? If so, a search through the parish and civil records may be in order, but without a date or a parish, this may be a long search. These records have not been extracted so there is no easy way to do it.

If they stayed in Zacatecas, did they stay long enough to be included in the 1930 Mexico National Census?

Death dates are much more difficult to track down without a lead.

Did she come to the US? If so, is there a border crossing record? Is she in the US Census?

In doing a search in Family Search no brothers or sisters show up. Did she have any? If she did, they may be in the unextracted records. Again, no easy way to do this search.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA