Researching Lagos de Moreno Records I came across Fabricas. Lists of deaths, including cost and names. Is this the working of the 'hacienda'? Was the death then listed in the church records? Very curious. A wealth of info listed.
I did an autosomal DNA test with FamilyTreeDNA. The Population Finder results were very misleading since they use only the groups with the highest portion of certain DNA markers. For example Finnish for northern European. These markers actually peak with in Finland but are also found at 41% in the País Vasco per the 1,000 Genomes project. Does this mean the people of the País Vasco are 41% Finnish? No, it means that both people of the País Vasco and the people of Finland share some ancestors. Those ancestors were most likely originally from somewhere else and their descendants ended up in those locations and others. One thing Population Finder was very close on is my Native American (Mexican Indian) ancestry at 11% +/- 1%. Even though I have mulatos libres in my ancestry the African portion did not even register.
One of the great things about Family Finder, apart from the cost of the sale price, is the ability to download the autosomal DNA results. This allowed me to use my own data and compare it against multiple databases that are freely downloadable which Dienekes Pontikos has incorporated into his Dodecad software, which is also freely downloadable at http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/09/do-it-yourself-dodecad-v-21.html and his latest globe13 calculator which includes an Amerindian population analysis, as well as another 12, and is at http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2012/10/globe13-calculator.html
The globe13 calculator analyzed my ancestry and broke it down into the 13 populations of Siberian, Amerindian, West_African, Palaeo_African, Southwest_Asian, East_Asian, Mediterranean, Australasian, Arctic, West_Asian, North_European, South_Asian, and East_African.
In my Jalisco family branch ancestor, the surnames Herrera and Santiago are so intertwining and tricky-confusing.
Most of the earlier ancestors use Herrera de Santiago as a surname.
However, the monkey wrench, many descendants, even in the SAME family, use one or more of these three variations:
1. Herrera de Santiego
2. Herrera
3. Santiago
In addition, many individuals are identified with any or all three variations in different Church records:
i.e. in the Baptism Record that individua's surnamel is HERRERA and/or in the Marriage Record it's SANTIAGO and/or in their children's Records that same individual's surname is HERRERA DE SANTIAGO.
I thought that perhaps the earliest ancestor's surname that used HERRERA DE SANTIAGO also used the mother's surname, BUT, that was NOT the case (so far).
It appears that the surname in the baptism, marriage, or death record on the very same individual of any generation is pure happenstance!
Hola:
Me acabo de encontrar con Andrés de Martín y María de las Ruelas, como ancestros por parte de mi abuela paterna. Me han surgido diversas dudas acerca de la ascendencia de estas dos personas. Buscando en Internet y en algunas otras publicaciones al respecto en esta página, me he encontrado con que Andrés de Martín también usaba el apellido Camacho y que María de las Ruelas también era conocida como María de Isla y Moctezuma. También el apellido Sotomayor está relacionado con ellos, ya que entre otros hijos que tuvieron está María de Sotomayor, casada con Juan Montañes, quién según lo que he visto era originario de Salamanca, España. Ellos tuvieron otra hija, Luisa de Sotomayor, casada con Juan Romero Gallardo, originario de Puebla e hijo de Diego Romero y Jacinta Valero. A su vez, de este matrimonio nació Jacinta Romero Sotomayor, quién casó con Nicolás del Castillo y Quesada y ellos dos son ancestros directos de mi abuela, quién lleva el apellido Castillo.
También encontré esta página que muestra la posible ascendencia de María de las Ruelas o María de Isla, pero desconozco si los datos son correctos y su referencia.
http://www.geni.com/people/Maria-de-Islas-de-Lavezares/6000000008796787…
Si alguien puede darme un resumen de lo antes discutido en temas de foro que hablan al respecto, para poder estar seguro de que ancestros poner o quitar de mi árbol genealógico. Al igual agradecería si alguien sabe algo adicional de las otras personas antes mencionadas.
Atte.
Enrique Salvador Agraz
i found the marriage dispensation for francisco valenzuela and margarita ortega. the writing is very hard to read. i can get the parents names on of francisco's grandfathers names, but the explanation on how the couple is related i just plain confusing.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-61761-19?cc=1874591&wc…
can anyone comprehend that consanguity part.
Qué tal buenas tardes
Tengo una duda sobre archivos históricos en Nochistlán. Si el registro religioso de defunción de los años 1700-1720 muestra que los personajes hicieron testamento, ¿dónde podría encontrarlos? ¿existirán todavía? ¿si la persona era de Mexticacán pero su partida se asentó en Nochistlán?
Muchas gracias.
Saludos
Hello
Below is a link to the image of the burial record for Urvana Lira, which I found today. She was married to Rafael Romo/Femat, who for a while lived in Ojocaliente, Zacatecas. (From there they went to Saltillo, and then to Nadadores, Coahuila - researched by Bernardo Menchaca).
Date of burial 26 June 1832. Image 25 in Family Search, Coahuila, Nadadores, Nuestra Señora de la Victoria, Defunciones, 1829-1878.
Rafael Romo is mentioned in her record as already deceased - the year 1832 was noted in Gedcom, but I can see now that thats actually for Urvana, unless they died in the same year...
As Bernardo has pointed out in a previous post, Rafael Romo used the name Femat before he began using the name Romo.
In gedcom, 1832 Nadadores is used in reference to Raphael Prudencio Romo's death, so I would use caution in assuming that Raphael Prudencio was buried in Nadadores - the only primary source I have seen on Raphael Prudencio Romo is his record of birth. Prudencio is not a name on any of the sources I have so far seen on Rafael Femat aka Romo which link him to Urvana Lira. But if anyone else has seen such a document...please post!
Anyway here is the link to Urvana's burial record:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11928-12828-93?cc=1410092&…
Regards
Denise
Hello
Below is a link to the image of the burial record for Urvana Lira, which I found today. She was married to Rafael Romo/Femat, who for a while lived in Ojocaliente, Zacatecas. (From there they went to Saltillo, and then to Nadadores, Coahuila - researched by Bernardo Menchaca).
Date of burial 26 June 1832. Image 25 in Family Search, Coahuila, Nadadores, Nuestra Señora de la Victoria, Defunciones, 1829-1878.
Rafael Romo is mentioned in her record as already deceased - the year 1832 was noted in Gedcom, but I can see now that thats actually for Urvana, unless they died in the same year...
As Bernardo has pointed out in a previous post, Rafael Romo used the name Femat before he began using the name Romo.
In gedcom, 1832 Nadadores is used in reference to Raphael Prudencio Romo's death, so I would use caution in assuming that Raphael Prudencio was buried in Nadadores - the only primary source I have seen on Raphael Prudencio Romo is his record of birth. Prudencio is not a name on any of the sources I have so far seen on Rafael Femat aka Romo which link him to Urvana Lira. But if anyone else has seen such a document...please post!
Anyway here is the link to Urvana's burial record:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11928-12828-93?cc=1410092&…
Regards
Denise
Hello
Can anyone direct me to the description of the different levels of reliability for sources? I have seen "Reliability 3" and am wondering what that means.
Regards
Denise
Hello
I was hoping to find an Informacion Matrimonial for my forebears, Manuel Romo and Maria Ygnacia Rodrigues, who got married in Nadadores (Coahuila) in 1816. I have not been able to locate them in Family Search...In a previous post, another member (George Fulton) mentioned that there were no informaciones matrimoniales for Coahuila (which was under Monterrey) before 1888. Or are they just filed in another archdiocese? Or were they just not required for everyone? Are they in the archives but just not online (I think that's what George meant?)
A more general question:
Do these petitions always get filed where the marriage takes place, or always where the bride lives, or always where the groom lives?(Manuel was originally from Aguascalientes).
Regards
Denise Fastrup
I don't know how else to write and ask this question, so here goes.
Does anybody have or know information on Nicolas Guerra(born in 1830 and baptized in Encarnacion) I believe his Father was Ygnacio Guerra. And Mother Maria Margarita Garcia(Born 1808 in Ojuelos).
Nicolas Guerra Married November 1st 1854 in Encarnacion to Bernarda Gallo(Born Date Unknown) daughter of Anastacio Gallo and Juana Espinoza.
Nicolas had a Son named Abrahan Guerra Gallo born in 1868 baptized in San Juan de Los Lagos(Probably born in Lomelines). He Married Marciana Jimenez (born in 1868 Encarnacion) Abrahan's last born was Pedro Guerra Jimenez this was my grandfather.
All this I know and feel confident on because it was given to me direct from older relatives. Recently I have just confirmed it through church records.
The part I am asking about, is Where is YGNACIO GUERRA from? The only ones I have found that would be born around late 1700's and early 1800's were the sons of Francisco Xavier Guerra Gomes. However one of those Ygnacio's was the bishop and I can't seem to find any other information on the other Ygnacio son he had besides baptism information.
Am I looking in the wrong Guerra Branch?
Any help would be welcomed. This is all new to me and I am open to suggestions. I also have thick skin, so don't hold back:)
I wish Ygancio Guerra had written his mothers maiden name down!!!
Hector Guerra Polina
Hello,
I am new to Nuestros Ranchos and not sure how to begin. I am looking for information in the city of Encarnacion de Diaz for my deceased father's father (Paz Romero). He was born about 1880. Thank you.
Susan Romero Preciado
Hello to everyone. Can anybody take a minute and check this record? I'm unsure on what a surname is:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18697-41774-98?cc=1874591&wc…
The record I'm looking at is the second from the last, the baptism of Aniceta Gertrudis Bonal. What I'm trying to figure out is the surname of the godmother, Maria Anna (?). I'm just assuming that the godfather Silvestre Gutierrez is related to Gertrudis's mother, Ysabel Gutierrez. Knowing the godmother's surname might help me find additional information about my Gutierrez line.
Thanks in advance,
Steve in NC.
i found a marriage dispensation for the couple. go to page 258 and read the right page carefully. you'll find how the couple relate to each other. i also learned from that some people in this family had the last name de aro instead of miramontes.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-82660-48?cc=1874591&wc…
Is Family Search down for anyone else?
I was trying to locate the marriage record of Francisco Duran and Dorotea Lozano on family search.So they married on Feb 14 1776n in Nochistlan Zac ,Family Search seems to skip almost the whole year of 1776 and so I cannot locate their marriage record.So please if anyone can help locate this record.
I use Reunion 9 for my family tree information. What is the best way to cite a specific image, from the Family Search website?
Thanks
Hola a todos.
And that is the extent of my Spanish for the day.
I am writing to ask if any of you do anything for Dia de los Muertos. Do you set up an ofrenda or participate in some kind of event?
In past years I have set up an ofrenda; in recent years it has been to honor my #2 daughter who passed away in 2008, at age 38. Her daughters, and widowed husband (not Latino) have carried on setting up an ofrenda (her daughters were 5 yrs & 3 yrs at the time of her passing). They do not live near by, but I am happy to think that they are carrying on that part of her heritage (she used to set up a small ofrenda, and that is why they know about it).
So - if you do anything for DDLM (my shorthand), could you share some of your ideas. Gracias.
Natalie Coleman, in Virginia
when i was looking up the marriage record for marcial banuelos and mariana bonilla, i saw the text 'fojo 37' on the side. what does it mean?
you can see it here
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-66521-57?cc=1874591&wc…
Good morning,
Can anyone, please, tell me about this Hacienda? Or a reference, or two? One of my Gomez abuelos was born there.
Thank you.
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Joseph,
We too had a wonderful time and I thank you for taking the time to meet up with us. We know how busy you were with your family. You'll have to make it out here more frequently if you can.
Looking forward to the next visit.
Abrazos,
Alicia
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From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:57 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Wonderful Visit to San José
Wow, I had a wonderful visit with a small group of the NR family. I met with Alicia Carrillo, Kitty and Rich Cortez, and Rita and Saul Navarro at (http://www.happybamboo.com/) the Happy Bamboo Vegetarian restaurant in San José on Thursday the 11th. We ate, talked, and just enjoyed the visit so much that before they kicked us out (they wouldn’t have) Alicia was gracious enough to invite us to her house for another couple of hours of conversation and visiting. I just want to say thanks to all of you for being such good friends and for such a nice time visiting with you all.
THEN on the 12th I had a very very nice visit with Gloria and David Delgado close to where my sister lives in Albany, CA. It was great finally putting faces on people I had been in communication with for a good many years. Gloria and David are such nice people and I felt honored that they (as well as Alicia, Kitty, Rich, Rita, and Saul) took time to visit with me. It meant very much to me and I’ll be sure to look you all up on the rare times I come back to San José.
Take care and thanks again,
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
I have watched with interest the membership activity in genetic testing and can only reiterate the caution some members have voiced. Know what you are looking for and be sure the testing firm has a good reputation. I would recommend those that are interested, to go to their library and get a copy of "The Real Eve" by Stephen Oppenheimer. He provides a comprehensive analysis of the genetic history of "modern man" and his journeys as he populated the world. He includes genetic trees and tables, which if you have some data already may be of some help. Some of the information in the book may surprise you.
buena suerte............
Ray Jauregui
Sammamish, WA
Amigos de Nuestros Ranchos:
Siento la necesidad de hacer unas aclaraciones sobre mi artículo "Una Mirada sobre la Barda", que escribí primordialmente para mis familiares y amigos, pero como mi esposo me ayudó a enviarlo, pues también lo mandó a Nuestros Ranchos, a quienes también consideramos nuestros amigos, espero que encuentre interés entre los miembros . En primer lugar mi nombre completo es Bertha Emilia Medina Navarro de Boehm. Como ya lo estarán sospechando, el Navarro viene de los Altos de Jalisco, Tepatitlán fué la cuna de mi abuelo materno y de varias generaciones de sus antepasados.
Guenter Boehm es mi marido desde hace 52 años, él es alemán y es a sus antepasados y a su patria a lo que me refiero con la mirada sobre la barda, él ha sido mi guía en la búsqueda de mis raices en México, pero yo no he podido llegar tan lejos como él, sin embargo me considero afortunada, pues en mayo de éste año y después de varios años de búsqueda, logré seguir el árbol genealógico de mi abuelo materno Tiburcio Navarro, hasta el año de 1593 en el que un Mateo Navarro se menciona como receptor de una Merced en lo que hoy es Michoacán, cerca de Zamora. Con la obra de Dn. Mariano González Leal, "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia", me fué posible en 15 minutos seguir la linea de mis Navarros desde 1802 que era lo más lejos que había yo llegado, hasta 1593. Esta obra es un verdadero tesoro para los que buscamos nuestras raices en los Altos de Jalisco. Se los recomiendo.
Gracias Dn. Mariano
Saludos afectuosos a todos
Bertha M. de Boehm
NUESTRO 12. VIAJE A SILESIA, Septiembre 2012
Queridos familiares y amigos, como ya todos Uds. saben, cada año asistimos a algún evento en el palacio Jedlinka en Polonia. El palacio y sus alrededores, pertenecieron a familiares de Guenter entre 1889 y 1945, año en el que al finalizar la Segunda Guerra Mundial, Alemania perdió además de la guerra, varios de sus estados orientales, entre ellos casi toda Silesia que pasó a ser parte de Polonia. Por esta razón cuando vamos a visitar el lugar de nacimiento de Guenter, tenemos que ir a Polonia. Esta vez nos acompañó mi cuñado Herbert que también nació en Friedland, hoy Mieroszow, sólo que diez años antes que Guenter, por lo que tiene más recuerdos que éste.
A pesar de que no hablamos polaco, ya hicimos buena amistad con los nuevos dueños del palacio, que es una familia pudiente, tres hermanos y su tío que es el que administra el palacio. Los hermanos tienen una compañía constructora, un estudio de cine y una fábrica de computadoras. Aprovechando la ayuda económica de la Union Europea, están restaurando el palacio y les está quedando muy bonito, a principio de éste año inaguraron un hotel que hicieron sobre lo que fué la caballeriza, aprovechando los muros de ésta, que tienen medio metro de espesor, lograron construir un hotel de tres pisos, moderno, funcional y bien equipado con servicios de primera. Ahí nos hospedamos por una semana y estuvimos muy contentos. Como siempre, tanto los dueños del palacio como los políticos del lugar, nos dedicaron tres días de atención personal, hasta el párroco nos invitó a su casa al café con pasteles deliciosos. Naturalmente siempre nos ponen un intérprete que nos acompaña a todas partes. Como recordarán desde 2009 Guenter es ciudadano honorifico de éste lugar, distinción que se ganó por su trabajo de genealogía y de investigación sobre la historia del lugar y de sus familiares que residieron en el palacio antes de la segunda Guerra Mundial y durante la Primer Guerra.
Hola a todos,
Estoy investigando sobre la familia Pérez de Frías, principalmente sobre Diego Pérez de Frías, quien casó en Nochistlán con María Catalina de Islas alrededor de 1670. Su hijo, Bernardino adoptó el apellido materno y es mi antepasado.
Muchas gracias de antemano.
Hello everybody,
I am researching on the Perez de Frias family, mainly on Diego Perez de Frias who married Maria Catalina de Islas in Nochistlan about 1670. Bernardino used his mother's surname and he is my direct ancestor.
Thank you very much in advance.
Alejandro