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Hi Jospeh, it's Daniel I might be of some help but not professional, which require maybe actually going to Los Altos and Spain and pulling some strings. I do have some resources when connecting to Spain. What line(e) and families is the individual looking at. Most Alteño families have already connected to Spain and with resources like published books can help. Familysearch might not be so much of a help when dealing with this subject. You could prob find some thing back to Spain but doubt you'll find a connection. Like the Romo de Vivar is one of those rare family search connections. How about Mariano GOnzález-Leal? -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Hey there Joseph,

There are several genealogists here in the region that might be able to help
out. What info or what exactly is the applicant looking for?

Rick

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De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph
Puentes
Enviado el: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:54 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos de Jalisco Professional Genealogist
Being Sought

An applicant to the group wants to find a professional genealogist to do
his research from 1585 in Los Altos and take him back to Spain.

Who all would you recommend?

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http:/

he could also contact "Somos Primos"

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, Joseph Puentes wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos de Jalisco Professional Genealogist Being Sought
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 3:54 PM

An applicant to the group wants to find a professional genealogist to do his
research from 1585 in Los Altos and take him back to Spain.

Who all would you recommend?

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

Natalie,
Please accept our sincere condolesces. My sister set up an ofrenda for
our father who died in January. It was difficult not to cry as I stood
looking at those objects and photos of my beloved father. Also, as a
college professor at Cal Poly Pomona, my sister also works with her
students and I can attest to the fact that many of the ofrendas are
elaborate and very meaningful. The students set them up annually.
Again, I am so sorry about your loss.
Eloise Gomez Reyes

-----Original Message-----
From: nc_coleman
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 9:35 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dia de los Muertos

I know I am really late asking this - and I am just asking our of
curiosity - but did anyone set up an ofrenda for Dia de los Muertos, to
honor and remember those family members who had passed on. 
I wanted to do so , but the death of my dear daughter last month ...
well, I just couldn't quite do it. Perhaps I will get back to setting
up

Hi Natalie,

Please accept my sincere condolenses. I do have ofrendas each year. Ill send a separate email.

You and your family are in my prayers.

Sandra

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ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Nov 6, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dia de los Muertos

I know I am really late asking this - and I am just asking our of curiosity - but did anyone set up an ofrenda for Dia de los Muertos, to honor and remember those family members who had passed on.
I wanted to do so , but the death of my dear daughter last month ... well, I just couldn't quite do it. Perhaps I will get back to setting up an ofrenda next year. My son-in-law (non-hispanic) and two young grand-daughters set up a small ofrenda - the little one, 3 -1/2 yrs, wanted to put "everything" on the ofrenda, because "mommy would love it". (It was his first experience - I appreciate

Esperanza,

if there is any way possible can you scout for opportunities for the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project in the area of the
"African Presence in Mexico." I have a section (
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/coyote.html ) on the podcast
called "/*Coyote*/" that has Audio on this topic. I would very much like
to find more people or organizations to contribute audio material for
this area of the podcast. So if you see anyone that is particularly
fluent on teaching the history of the African Presence in Mexico or just
someone interested in contributing what they know I'm interested in
talking to them. Also if you have a digital recorder please take it with
you as there might be opportunities to do some interviews while you are
in Mexico or even the next time you are in the Chicago Mexican American
Fine Arts Museum.

thanks for considering this,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http:/

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: URE?A FAMILY (Veronica

 
I don't recognize your online name, who are you? If you submitted a genealogy file I'd like to  read it since I track Tovar/Tobar from Jerez.
 
I do have one entry from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico, not sure if it's the area or time frame you are looking for:

Marriage: 13 Jan 1823 in Jerez Zacatecas Mexico
Jose Rebeles, age 23 vecino
Parents: Don Andres Rebeles and Dona Francisca Correa
With: Dona Maria Josefa Llanos y Valdes, age 17 vecina
Parents: Don Agustin Llanos y Valdes and Dona Ynocencia Tobar
Witness: Don Francisco Llanos
source: 0440061 Jerez church marriages
 
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, AlmightyMexijew wrote:

From: AlmightyMexijew
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Llanos Y Valdez / Llanos Y Valdes information?
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:12 AM

So after a long grace period away from this, I decided to run a search and see
what comes up and I found 2 things of promise. Problem is, they are very vague

Viudo may be the word, meaning widow, or widow of.

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Sent: Oct 26, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another question

what does vindo mean?

Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal grandparents, respectively.

Sincerely

Jaime

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From: "resco16"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records

When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages. It shows witnesses but usually says something like:  testigos de edad or mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or maternal? Is that right?

Alessandro,

The site doesn't allow attachments. You have to upload your files to the files in Ranchos. I think there are instructions in the site. I don't know how to do it either.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: ALESSANDRO VITELA-TOSCANO
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apodaca´s charts

Steve Apodaca: Thanks for wrighting back. Answering your question.... no, I grew up in Guadalajara, but my mom was born and grew in Atotonilco El Bajo as well as my grandmother and all her family and ancestors. I visited 1000s of times the town and have lovely memories about it till now. I know the area very well, all the surroundings as Estipac, Villacorona, Cocula, Zacolaco, Sta Catarina and some others as Sayula, Las Barrancas, Acatlan, Ameca, etc. My mom and grandmother (still alive) told me many stories about these places and the way life was many years ago. I do have some

Hola Jaime , I contacted a prima Marylou Montaga who assisted the author Jose Luis Vazquez -Genealogia de Nochistlan- she was asking for a copy of the acta you possess.
Ronnie Reynoso> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: alvaradj@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:01:46 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan de Padilla Davila? Delgadillo? horro?> > > Hello everyone,> Back in Galveston after Ike, attempting to do a little genealogical research. I have been inspecting carefully the marriage record of Juan de Padilla and Petronila de Siordia (Thanks, Connie for the copy). Although as Connie mentioned, the copy is not good, I was able to digitally enhance it, and I am convinced that neither 'Davila' (suggested by Daniel) nor 'Delgadillo' (suggested by Connie) appear in the document after "Juan de Padilla". Instead, in my opinion it reads 'herro' or 'horro' -Note that at the time the letter 'h' was written more like a "S", thus in not uncommon to find transcriptions of

Hola Jaime ,In Jose Luis Vazquez 's book Genealogia de Nochistlan -chapter 58 page 191 -the author Jose Luis Vazquez has written I would think he wrote from the acta de matrimonio-EN 14 DE FEBRERO DE 1616 ANOS DESPOSSE A JUAN DE PADILLA(Y DELGADILLO),NATURAL DE XERES CON DONA PETRONA DE SIORDIA ECT. SIENDO TESTIGOS ALONSO PERES Y NICOLAS MORILLO Y JUAN GIL,ESTANTES EN ESTA VILLA DE AGUASCALIENTES.VELARONSE A 13 DE ENERO ANOS FUERON PADRINOS LOPE RUIS DE ESPARZA DONA MARIA DE SIORDIA CUNADA DEL DICHO JUAN DE PADILLA
I don't know what to think. I would gather that the author Jose Luis Vazquez did his home work. Can't call it.
Ronnie Reynoso> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: alvaradj@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:01:46 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan de Padilla Davila? Delgadillo? horro?> > > Hello everyone,> Back in Galveston after Ike, attempting to do a little genealogical research. I have been inspecting carefully the marriage record of Juan de Padilla

Primeramente quisiera presentarme: mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, soy originario de Jalostotitlán, Jal., y soy aficionado a la genealogía, y aunque en mis 8 apellidos no tenga el apellido Pérez, si aparece en los 16, ya que una de mis tatarabuelas maternas de nombre María del Refugio Pérez Rábago, hija de José Ascención Pérez y de Ignacia Rábago.

María del Refugio Pérez Rábago casó con Bernardo Tostado Gutiérrez, ( son mis tarabuelos maternos): ellos fueron padres de Paula Tostado Pérez, que casó con José Eduviges Mercado Fernandez, estos ultimos fueron padres de Marcelino Mercado Tostado, que casó con Dionicia Padilla Covarrubias, padres de mi madre María de los Angeles Mercado Padilla, que casó con Andrés Vallejo Vallejo, padres de José María Vallejo Mercado, ( un servidor).

Como se puede apreciar no existe en la región personas que seamos criollas, ( esto es descendientes de españoles nacidos en México.) que no tengamos un apellido como: González, Gutiérrez

Hello Juanita! I wish you not unsubscribe but still enjoy reading and participate the joys mostly, but if there is something as important that you have to do so well I also wish you the best for any journey you wish to walk.
 
Regards, Leticia Leon

--- El lun 20-oct-08, juanita delgado escribió:

De:: juanita delgado
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] signing off
A: "group"
Fecha: lunes, 20 octubre, 2008, 1:53 pm

I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in this great group, but it is time for me to
move in another direction. I met great people on this site, and heard great
stories, tales, etc. and enjoyed people talking about finding new
"primos", etc. However, my search takes me back to a much later date
than most of the ones on the site. I am actually envious of the many people that
go back and forth to see and visit the land of their ancestors. Wish I could do
that too, but mine left generations ago to Northern Mexico and then into South
Texas, that everyone lost track of the people left

Hi Juanita ,

I'm also doing my searches in the north of Mexico , especially in Monterrey and some parts of Coahuila .

My Alvarados' , de la Garzas', Rodrigues de Montemayor , Saldivar and the list goes on and on came from Zacatecas and ended up here .

Don't give up the ship just yet , why don't you just put it on hold for a spell and continue your search in the north . Let me know and I will help you in these parts of the woods .

Juanita , genealogist are a small group of great people . Keep all the bridges you've come to know and expand your knowledge of them to others .

Welester G. Alvarado
( from the other down under , Monterrey , Mexico )

>> > I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in this great group, but it is time for me to move in another direction. I met great people on this site, and heard great stories, tales, etc. and enjoyed people talking about finding new "primos", etc. However, my search takes me back to a much later date than most of the ones on the site. I

Elvira,

>From an information point of view, have you check out the town's website, Jalpa, Zac.com?

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> Daniel Mendez del Camino
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> Daniel,
>
> I will appreciate any more information you can post about Jalpa, Zacatecas. I
> have a relative born there (Juana Caro-Esquivel, b. 20 Nov 1912) for whom I have
> nothing else other than her parents names (F: Leonides Caro Fraire, M:
> Maria-Luisa Esquivel-Gonzalez). I believe they were from Las Paradas or La
> Parada, Zacatecas. Is there any local history you can post about Jalpa?
>
> Elvira
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I can be of help but only in guidance, Jalpa is an interesting place of history and border confusion,
Jalpa belongs to the Parish of Tabasco, zac a little more north of Huanusco. Also Jalpa use to be
part of Huanusco before being broken into two. I use to have tabasco films and found A LOT of people
from Jalpa in the south. Just because a place is limited films doesnt mean people didnt travel far to get
baptised. Always check the surrounding parishes for clues. Just my thoughts. -Daniel MDC
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here are some libraries that own a book that looks like the below with a
slightly different name. Further down are other similarly named books:

Libraries with Item: "El libro de la Cofradía d..."( Record for Item |
Get This Item )
Location Library Code
US,CA CALIFORNIA STATE LIBR-SUTRO LIBR SUTRO
US,CA GETTY RES INST JPG
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, MERCED MERUC
US,CA UNIV OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CSL
US,DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC
US,FL FLORIDA STATE UNIV FDA
US,FL UNIV OF MIAMI FQG
US,MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR HLS
US,NJ PRINCETON UNIV PUL
US,NV UNIV OF NEVADA, RENO NNY
US,VA UNIV OF VIRGINIA VA@
Germany STAATS & UNIVERSITATSBIBLIOTHEK HAMBURG H6U
Mexico UNIVERSIDAD AUTONOMA DE YUCATAN MXYUC
Netherlands UNIV OF GRONINGEN GRU
United Kingdom CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD
United Kingdom NATIONAL ART LIBR VICTORIA & ALBERT MUS AVA

It could be helpful to search in the census Mexico 1930, maybe this living relative appears in it or any other relative that give you a guide. Are you familiar with the census?
 
 Leticia Leon

--- El dom 28-sep-08, tiffany escribió:

De:: tiffany
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tomas Villalobos
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: domingo, 28 septiembre, 2008, 12:36 pm

Hello to all , my ggrandfather Tomas Villalobos was married to my ggrandmother
Carmen De Los Santos (we think this was her name ) she died in child birth with
my grandmother Jacoba (1901)who married my grandfather Jose Olivar, I am looking
for any help with this as I have no information on the Villalobos side of my
family. On of my Aunt's says there could be a relative Pedro living in
Jalos, but I don't know. Juan C. could we be related. Thanks to all for
maybe the next clue in my search. Cecilia

Maria,

I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at Laredo, Texas, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?

My nino was my Uncle Jose Refugio Puentes who married my nina Francis.
I'm not related to her side of the family but doing some research on her
branch. I ordered the photocopies from SLC and they arrived today. Below
is the information on the records. Can the members of the group that
have roots in the San Juan de Los Lagos area check your databases and
see if any of the below names tie into your genealogy:

Teodoro Marquez was born in Rancho del Ocote (sp), San Juan de Los Lagos
in about in about 1844 his parents were Celso Marquez and Jesus de Anda.
Teodoro Married Antonia Munoz in 1871. She was born Rancho del Ocote,
San Juan de Los Lagos in about 1855 her parents were Filomeno Munoz and
Sebastiana Marquez.

the padrinos for their marriage were Carlos Marquez and Martiana Marquez.

in 1872 they had a child named Saturina whose padrinos were Carlos
Marquez and Martiana Marquez.

in 1874 they had a child named Estanislao who was the grandfather of my
nina and whose padrinos