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Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros
ranchos" cousins.

Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The city of San Luis
Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592 by: Capitan
Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico Gubernator), and
the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.

In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first people.
The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De Escobedo (Your
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo de Cabrera, Manuel
Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de Toledo, and
others.

Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the foundation papers.

If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I have several books
that talk about this
Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

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De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph de
Leon

Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros
ranchos" cousins.

Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The city of San Luis
Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592 by: Capitan
Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico Gubernator), and
the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.

In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first people.
The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De Escobedo (Your
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo de Cabrera, Manuel
Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de Toledo, and
others.

Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the foundation papers.

If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I have several books
that talk about this
Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph de
Leon

Well Done!  Always happy to see research that's been shared become a a part of reclaiming our heritage and history.  You give me hope in taking my families back further.
 
thanks for sharing your info so openly and freely
Linda in Everett

--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:

From: Joseph de Leon
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:26 PM

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain.
When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of
baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542)

Well, maybe you will walk the way to El Dorado!
 
When I was starting my genealogy trip read about a girl who was searching her roots because she was requested to prove her belonging to the certain family by the surname Luft I think it was, she couldn´t make it in the requested time but contracted the genealogy seed.
 
Maybe you will get a good "tajada" (piece of cake).
 
Leticia Leon te saluda.

--- El vie 10-oct-08, Joseph de Leon escribió:

De:: Joseph de Leon
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 10 octubre, 2008, 11:26 pm

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain.
When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of
baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th

Go to files and under reference materials you'll find the link:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
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http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

y b wrote:
> Can you please direct me to where the Nuestros Ranchos user guide is.
>
> Yvonne
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: arturoramos
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:36:52 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Uploading a Genealogy Tree

Anita you did a wonderful job of documenting your lines, well done!  I have in my records Andres Correa and two of his wives.
 
I have a question about Catalina de la Torre abt 1609 married to Antonio Cueva Carbajal, my cousin is de la Cueva and I have Carabajal in an earlier record from Jerez, could you share with me the record you found in the Sagrada Mitra?  My personal e-mail is longsjourney@hotmail.com.  I do have all my records posted on Rootsweb.com with the source information included.
 
thank you, Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, anna1m wrote:

From: anna1m
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alvarado/San Luis Potosi and Gonzalez/Zacatecas
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:50 AM

Greetings to all:
My family trees have been posted under Member Genelogy Files/Anita Morales,

Names shown under "Ancestors of Pedro G Alvarado" from San Luis
Potosi are: Alvarado, Galvan, Rodriguez, Tobar, Soto, Lozano, Ybarra, Carmona

I have a Ulloa line that starts 1679 in Tlaltenango however, I do not have any of the names you mention. Perhaps Maria Josefa Ulloa connects back a few generations.
Lots of Luck in your research.
Helyn
San Jose, CA

teresitar wrote:

Filomeno was Perfecto's father, Perfecto's mother was Maria Josefa Ulloa. Filomeno & MaJosefa were married on 22 Feb 1843 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac., according to Mormon records. I would like to find records of any kind related to Filomeno and MaJosefa.

I have been able to trace the family pedigree from him but I do not have anything else other than a marriage date. I would like to be able find their birthdates and birthplaces, perhaps even their parents!

Mormon church records also indicate that they had a son, his name was Perfecto Arteaga, born on 23 Apr 1844 also in Tlaltenango. Perfecto married Refugio Casanova. Refugio's parents, Lino Casanova and Maria Prudencia Albares were married on 14 Feb 1838 in Tlaltenango

Welcome, Rudy,

My father had among his ancestors people named Eduviges, or Edubiges, or Edubigen. St. Helwig was a Saint born in Bavaria in the 1100s. Read about her here: http://saints.sqpn.com/sainth03.htm

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: roodee
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions

Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala, Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I
am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they lived near that local parish. What is curious to

Anita:

I would suggest you download the Nuestros Ranchos user guide which has detailed instructions on uploading files to your folder.

The files you upload should ideally be in a standard genealogical format to make them easily understandable to other members. If you are using PAF or some other genealogical database program, simply print out an Ahenentafel or Registry report into RTF (rich text file) or as a PDF and then upload that file to your file folder and add a description of what is contained in the file in the description of your file folder.

Hello Stuart:

Your conclusions are very interesting. I agree with you, it doesn't matter who our ansestors were. They were human beings like us and they took advantage or wasted the oportunities they had in their times.
We are related with them no matter what and searching for them take us to know the history not only of their lives, but the towns, the cities and the countries were they lived in. That is what make genealogy so interesting and enable us to pass on a profound and wonderful family history to our descendants .

And talking about genealogy I would like to share with you and all our friends in Nuestros Ranchos, our experiences during our 8th trip to Germany and Poland in search of my husbands roots.
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/reisen/relatoSept2008.htm

Saludos,
Bertha Medina de Boehm

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Hola Esperanza ,

I spoke to Pepe Lastra yesterday and told him that you and I had spoken , he remembers you quite well .
I asked him about the other gentleman in the foto and about the french issue , he said he will look into it . I'll keep you posted .

Take care,
Welester
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Hello Anita: I order individual records from Salt Lake. From the church site, the form is "Request for Photocopies - International Genealogical Index and sources". Two dollars per copy, with a minimum of eight orders. The copies are great, and I receive them in about two weeks.
Hope this helps
Helyn
San Jose, CA

anna1m wrote:

Greetings: At one time I saw on the FHC site that copies of individual records could be ordered in lieu of ordering films. Now I cant locate this and someone had also commented that copies could be ordered. Is this still available? If so, where on the FHC site? Thanks - Anita

Welcome, George,

My husband had an ancestor named Maria Luisa de Allon. Kind of sounds like your wife's Alons? Maria Luisa was married to Jose Segundo Talamantes around the late 1700s, probably in Tlaltenango. I have no information on Maria Luisa's parents.

Some of the other surnames you mentioned such as Garcia, Martinez, Martin, and Dias are also in my husband's tree.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: gpf13
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Interests

Hello Everyone!

I've just joined the group; having found it through a couple of search engines.

I am researching my wife's family. Her maternal grandmother, Maria Eutiquia Escobar (b. 1883), is from Aguascalientes. Her ancestors have roots in Aguascalientes (Aguascalientes), Zacatecas (Trancoso, Pinos), and Jalisco (Lagos de Moreno). My wife's father's family (Lara) is from Guanajuato

Particia, are you aware of anyone conducting research on the Cano name in the area around Arandas, Ayo el Chico, Rancho Corrales, Rancho Cabrito in Jalisco. All are in the area around Arandas. My research covers the period 1758 to 1948. Thank you, Luis

patricia burton wrote: Thursday, October 9, 2008

Dear Rudy,

The following are microfilms I have on permanent loan at the Family History Center:

281,017 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1769-1801 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,018 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1779-1801 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,023 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1828-1836 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,070 Matrimonios 1681-1768 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,071 Matrimonios 1768-1814 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,073 Matrimonios 1836-1861 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

These might be too far back for you now. I also think the 1930 Census is in the Bonita Family History Center. The # is 1,507,533 and 1,507,534.

Keep in touch.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Calif.

Jonathan:

The Library of Congress has a large collection of Mexican newspaper archives on microfilm and you can order duplications of the microfilm.

What paper or city in particular were you looking for? For what period?

Jonathan,

http://www.mexico-periodicos.com/

Hope your Spanish up to par!!

-Luis
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: jonathan@mexicanfhr.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:36:33 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Newspaper Archives
>
>
> Does anyone know of anywhere someone can access, Mexican Newspaper archives, without having to goto the Newspaper in Mexico?
>
> thanks,
> Jonathan Walker

DOnt worry COle all of us in the group who are Spanish can relate to you, just look at our trees you find multiple people on their like 20
times. My parents are related, my grandparentes were related about 12 times, it was common who Spaniards to marry inside if a suitable spouse wasnt found. MOstly to perserve what we call "pure blood" which I think is kind of racist but I respect my ancestors decisions.
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Cole:

Welcome to the group!

First of all, you should know that "Llanos y Valdes" is not a combination of two surnames as you seem to imply in your message, but rather a composed name, where the two names are always used together and transmitted from generation to generation together. I presume at some time the two names were combined, but then remained the combination until about the time of Mexican independence when such composed names became "out of fashion" since they were linked to Spanish families... I think nowadays most of the "Llanos y Valdes" use simply Valdes, although I have seen some Llanos around.

The first Llanos y Valdes in the Jerez region was Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes, who was a military officer and son of a Spanish immigrant who came to Michoacan in 1610:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1523

They were a very prominent family (and still are... they own half the land in Villa Guerrero, Jalico, where my father is from) and thus it is no

Hello.
Wow, I cannot believe it! Are you also a descendant of Jose Antonio Apodaca? I have encountered a couple distant relatives in the past, but this is the first time I know of an Apodaca cousin that is researching his family tree. I am really curious to know how you and I relate. By the way, you can write to me en espanol, too, if that's suits you better. Well, I hope to hear from you soon.
 
Saludos,
 
Tu posible primo Steve.

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, viteliky wrote:

From: viteliky
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GARY APODACA
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 1:48 AM

Gary, I was looking the information you submited and we have an Apodaca line
that matches, we both descend from Jose Antonio APODACA. I´d like to be in
contact with you and look forward.

Best regards.

Alessandro

Hi John, how are you?

I uploaded the entire conference to youtube but after it uploaded the video
it said that it was too long and youtube won't play it. I'm still trying to
think of a way to share it with everyone. Any ideas?

Rick

Re Huizars

I have the following:

Joseph Patrisio Perez de Huizar b. approx 1741 in Colotlan
    m. Juana Ynes Bobadilla Romero
        Son: Julian de Huizar
        m. Maria Catarina Josefa Antonia Fernandez Romero  (b. 1796 in Queretaro)
            daughters: 1) Maria Fernanda Feliciana Huisar Fernandez (b. approx 1823 in San Luis, Colotlan)
                                   m. Ygnacio Vasquez in 1844 in San Luis, Colotlan
                             2) Maria Victoriana Huisar (b. about 1825 in Rancho Cartagena, Colotlan, christened in Nuestra Senora Del Rosario, Totatiache, Jalisco)
                                   2 possible marriages 1) m. Jose Rudesindo Gonzales in 1847 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion de Diaz); or 2) m. Hermenegildo Acosta in 1850 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes.

Julian's & Maria Catarina's grandson by their elder daughter Maria Fernanda's was Florencio Huisar Vazquez b. abt 1848 in San Luis, Colotlan.  He married Natividad Urdian who was born in Rosario

I received an e-mail that someone has sent me a message via my
contact form.

How do I use that? When I go to my account all I see is a page to
send an email to myself and no apparent way to change the recipient
and no obvious way to view my messages.

I'm confused.

Also, when I go to recent posts, and click on the MY RECENT POSTS
tab, most of the posts listed are not mine, nor any that I have
replied to.

Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Joseph Puentes:
Me parece muy acertado tu comentario, ya que e ocasiones la historia oral, contiene algunos recovecos que se ocultan o simplemente esta en relación al interes que se le de, y tambien por otro lado sabemos que la mayoria de consejas, relatos o por que no decirlo verdades a medias son las que nos han mantenido inmersos en el interes por encontrar la verdad en los hechos y acontecimientos.

No dudo que muchas platicas que nos decian nuestros abuelos contengan cierta base para de ahi iniciar alguna investigación, y lo digo en mi caso que aunque soy principante en la genealogia; me sirvio de mucho el saber minimo a mis bisabuelos, y caso curioso en algunos casos no conocian su edad real, y tambien el nombre no les gustaba o si tenian 2 nombre solo manejaban uno solo y esto se daba tambien en documentos oficiales, y le dare un dato,: mi bisabuelo era conocido unicamente como Juan, y resulta que ni sus hijos sabian que el nombre completo era Juan de Dios, ¿ Que

Yo are so right Joseph, oral history is so important for our search, it will support our mission for us, the ones that take this investigation as a mission; sometimes I imagine my self as a night, armour and all, when I want to corroborate some of my family "cuentos", stories.
 
Oral history may contain matters that are unpleasant for some audiences, but then is the time for our criteria to be of good use and respectfully keep opinions for ourselves if nothing nice can be said.
 
In my last trip to my parents homeland I learned that my granpa, on my mother´s side stole some corn and that he regreated that action all the rest of his time, I felt his sorrow and shame: also his nephew Bartolo was a common bandido and killer, which is shamefull but instead I kind of admire him, and I know is for the way people use to tell this familiar stories, like he was a hero.
 
I remember so warmly, gone with the television times, when my mother use to tell stories after supper, mostly about ghosts