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-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>
Sent: Mar 5, 2005 8:32 PM
To: Carol Lester <nanacaroll@...>
Subject: Re: Introduction:  Campos/Alvarez Family

you sent this to me not to the group. If you want to post to the group 
you need to send an email to: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

try reposting this message to that address.

thanks,

Joseph

Carol Lester wrote:

>Introduction: Campos/Alvarez Family
>
>Hello to everyone. My name is Carol Lester.  I began researching my family back in 1997.  I found researching my American family challenging, yet also found an abundance of people and paper trails . It was when I began researching my Spanish roots that I began to hit brick walls.  I soon found there was neither people nor paper trails to come by very easily.  And while I have accomplished much, I still have much to accomplish.  It is my hope that others will benefit from this accumulated research and will help me add to it.
>
>The Campos/Alvarez families are a very large family.  I have traced these families back to the 1700th century in the areas of Zacatecas, and Jalisco.  It seems through 400 years of research, these people remain in close approximation to where their families have always lived.  I found that both interesting and admirable, and only seemed to strengthen my belief of their close family ties.  It has also seemed to prove to me that the stories of keeping the bloodlines pure by intermarriages was also true. It has been told to me the Campos family can trace its origins back to  Spain.  The revolutions brought the Spaniards across the oceans and into Mexico only to steal and plunder the Mexican people of their land, wealth, and heritage. My father begins our American Campos family branch.
>
>The associated surnames of these families are many, yet familiar and repetitive.  What I offer here is only my own small portion of a very large puzzle that I have been able to discover. My hope is other kin will see this and add their own research to mine.  As I do my research, I am finding more and more that all families truly originated from ONE..and as God intended. 
>
>Feel free to use any of the information that is here.  
>
>Carol Lester (NanaCarolL@...)
>
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Hello Irma:

Sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me, but who knows some people's reasoning for some things?!  

Martin Del Campos?...Where is he from and when was he born and where? Give me some feedback..I come from a very LONG line of "Campos"!!

By the way, Joseph is working on putting my file together for the group to view.  It should be available before long.  You will see I wasn't KIDDING about my long line!!
REgards,
CarolLester (NanaCarolL@...)

Hello,

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Great! I found names of the ranches outside of Jerez.

Thanks.

Alberto.
--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> Thanks to Lorenzo Cuesta for this URL: 
> http://www.travelpost.com
> 
> just zoom in and you get a fairly good detail map of
> the ranchos around 
> the main pueblos for your area.
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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Thanks to Lorenzo Cuesta for this URL:  http://www.travelpost.com

just zoom in and you get a fairly good detail map of the ranchos around
the main pueblos for your area.

joseph

Hello Jonathan,

Thanks for your insight about this matter.  

Do you have an idea what kind of changes are going to be made in the 
extraction program in SLC?  Are things not moving along fast enough 
or something?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "mexicanfhr" <jonathan@m...> wrote:
> 
> There are a lot of films, that are still waiting to be extracted. 
> Also, there alot of batch numbers, that are not on the Parish and
> Vital Records list.
> 
> I am aware, that there are people, who have gotten permission, from
> Salt Lake, to extract all the records, from a certain area.  I would
> assume, that one needs to contact the Extraction Deptment, in Salt
> Lake.  And from, what I've heard lately, there is going to be some
> changes, in the extraction program, later on this year.
> 
> thanks,
> Jonathan  
> 

For all of you, who are wanting a copy of the Parish and Vital Records
list, please send me your mailing address.  Because, due to the size
of the file(25 meg),  I am going to just burn a CD, with the Parish
and Vital Records list and other Mexican genealogical information,
that I've collected over the years.  And send it, to those who want a
copy.

Thanks,
Jonathan

jonathan@...

There are a lot of films, that are still waiting to be extracted. 
Also, there alot of batch numbers, that are not on the Parish and
Vital Records list.

I am aware, that there are people, who have gotten permission, from
Salt Lake, to extract all the records, from a certain area.  I would
assume, that one needs to contact the Extraction Deptment, in Salt
Lake.  And from, what I've heard lately, there is going to be some
changes, in the extraction program, later on this year.

thanks,
Jonathan  


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> Well I'm thinking about it and I'm taking this discussion to the
group. . .
> 
> oh absolutely I understand what you are asking now. Yes yes it takes 
> volunteers to transscribe the info off of the films to then input into 
> the IGI and other databases. When it comes down to it I'm sure that
only 
> a very small % of the films available are online. If you want Valpariso 
> maybe you should call SLC and ask them about it. . .hey maybe you could 
> be one of the volunteer transcribers though it would take an enormous 
> amount of time. I'm going to forward this conversation to Jonathan 
> Walker to see if he might care to comment.
> 
> Jonathan what % of the films would you guess are on the IGI? This 
> discussion started because we couldn't find any info on those PDF files 
> for Valparaiso.
> 
> Jonathan. . .Do you know if there is a list of films on microfiche 
> available for Mexico but not necessarily transcribed onto the IGI?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 
> esteban vela wrote:
> 
> > Joseph,
> >  
> > Problem is that I don't find any record from Valparaiso on the IGI 
> > database!!!
> >  
> > Could it be that records from some films aren't still captured to the 
> > IGI ?
> >  
> > And if it is so for Valparaiso, could there also be true for other 
> > localities?
> >  
> >
> >
> > Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     hmmm, i'll have to think on this. . .maybe i'll call Salt Lake and
> >     ask them.
> >
> >     thanks,
> >
> >     joseph
> >
> >
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Joseph:



Have you checked with the Archives in Mexico City?  Also, you may be able to find them in the church records.



Mickey

Joseph:



I went to Sevilla and also went to the Archivo.  You just do not walk in.  You need letters, pictures.....then you will get a card which will allow you in....

I was looking for census records....they were in the Guadalajara Archives.....they can be obtained in Mexico City....I got the 1777 Durango Census from Archivo de las Indias....



Mickey

Mr. Serrros,

I used to know a Bobby Serros (PhD, worked in Northridge CSU) and his brother George.  Are you by any chance related?  I grew up in Oxnard, CA.

David Delgado

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Serros <ed@...>
Sent: Mar 1, 2005 9:16 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Poll results for ranchos

I totally agree with Mr. Duarte. I understand the importance of
documentation but I believe for our purposes that communication is of utmost
importance, all things considered---availability of computers and software,
as well as understanding of genealogy procedures.

Those that have learned to search and document can teach those who follow.
We need more people, not less.

Respectfully,

Edward Serros


On 3/1/05 7:20 PM, "Alberto Duarte" <albertodua@...> wrote:

> Less strict.
> 
> I believe we could get more members, and more
> information, if we were less strict on membership.
> 
> Alberto.
> 
> --- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:
> 
>> > well the percentage of members needed to make this a
>> > valid vote didn't
>> > vote so I'm leaving things as they are. maybe next
>> > year I'll do another
>> > poll and see if the group opinion is strong enough
>> > to influence enough
>> > members to vote one way or another.
>> > 
>> > joseph
>> > 
>> > ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>> > 
>>> > >The following ranchos poll is now closed.  Here are
>> > the 
>>> > >final results:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >POLL QUESTION: You can only vote if you have
>> > already
>>> > >submitted your genealogy, but even if
>>> > >you haven't you can still influence by
>>> > >giving your opinion via an email to the
>>> > >group (freedom of speech).
>>> > >
>>> > >Question: Should the requirements for
>>> > >being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
>>> > >(have your genealogy in hand to submit
>>> > >before being accepted into the group);
>>> > >the same as now; or less Strict?
>>> > > 
>>> > >I will not change anything unless 75% of
>>> > >the permanent members vote and if I get

I totally agree with Mr. Duarte. I understand the importance of documentation but I believe for our purposes that communication is of utmost importance, all things considered---availability of computers and software, as well as understanding of genealogy procedures.



Those that have learned to search and document can teach those who follow. We need more people, not less.



Respectfully,



Edward Serros





On 3/1/05 7:20 PM, "Alberto Duarte" <albertodua@...> wrote:

Less strict.

I believe we could get more members, and more
information, if we were less strict on membership.

Alberto.

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> well the percentage of members needed to make this a
> valid vote didn't 
> vote so I'm leaving things as they are. maybe next
> year I'll do another 
> poll and see if the group opinion is strong enough
> to influence enough 
> members to vote one way or another.
> 
> joseph
> 
> ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> >The following ranchos poll is now closed.  Here are
> the 
> >final results: 
> >
> >
> >POLL QUESTION: You can only vote if you have
> already
> >submitted your genealogy, but even if
> >you haven't you can still influence by
> >giving your opinion via an email to the
> >group (freedom of speech).
> >
> >Question: Should the requirements for
> >being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
> >(have your genealogy in hand to submit
> >before being accepted into the group);
> >the same as now; or less Strict?
> > 
> >I will not change anything unless 75% of
> >the permanent members vote and if I get
> >60% of those voting to vote for one of
> >the choices.  
> >
> >CHOICES AND RESULTS
> >- More Strict, 9 votes, 45.00%  
> >- The Same, 8 votes, 40.00%  
> >- Less Strict, 3 votes, 15.00%  
> >- Other, 0 votes, 0.00%  
> >
> >
> >
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> 
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> >
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> >
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> 
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a cousin of mine told me his parents are in Spain on vacation and if I
could think of any family history sources they could pick up in Madrid
or Barcelona. I told him to have them swing by Sevilla to the Archivo de
Indias to get me some Padrones from the Jerez/Colotlan area that are in
that Archive.

So I'm wondering do any of you all know of any archives in Madrid or
Barcelona that possibly would have information on Mexico? I'm sure there
are a lot of sources but I'm so lacking for that specific knowledge I'm
coming to you.

thanks,

joseph

Hey Joseph, I would say I am almost a huerfano. Another member, Angel 
Cervantes, and I both have Cervantes ancestors from Zacoalco, 
Jalisco, but it doesn't appear to be a connection, at least back to 
the 1700's. I saw one group member researching her ancestors from 
Atenguillo/Guachinango/Mascota. My Curiel line is from that area, but 
unfortunately (or I'd say fortunately), there's lots of Curiel 
families in that region.

Other than Angel, and the other member whose name I don't recall, I 
am a huerfano. You see, most of my ancestors are from the southern 
municipios of Jalisco: Tlajomulco, Chapala, Zacoalco, Techaluta, 
Sayula, Amacueca. One line, as I said, is from Atenguillo(If you 
don't know where this is, it is close to Talpa, where many people 
visit la virgen). I noticed that almost everybody on this group 
researching Jalisco is focused on los Altos. So far, I have only one 
line of ancestors from los Altos (Lagos), but haven't researched a 
lot on this line.

On the genealogy.com and ancestry.com forums, I have seen some people 
researching my target area, but not my surnames. So tell me Joseph, 
should I invite them to join this group, or should I send you their 
email addresses?

Ciao

Steve


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> Are there any Huerfanos in the group. . .are there any orphans that 
> don't have others members researching the same general area as you 
are 
> researching in Jalisco, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes? Well if you 
want to 
> invite researchers to Ranchos that are researching your specific 
area 
> let me know and I'll give you ideas.
> 
> I just went to rootsweb and did a geneal search of all the message 
> boards for those that are researching the Valparaiso, Zacatecas 
area. I 
> searched the first 26 pages and found 15 individuals. I then typed 
their 
> names into an email and send them an invitation to consider joining 
the 
> group. naturally if they are not serious researchers I won't let 
them 
> into the group. Of those 15 email addresses 4 were invalid, but 
lets see 
> if maybe 1 or 2 of the others might not find a serious researcher.
> 
> I said all that only to say that if you are the only one looking in 
your 
> area that is a way to find others to join you in your 
search.  . .spend 
> some time on rootsweb separating the wheat from the chaff.
> 
> joseph
> 

well the percentage of members needed to make this a valid vote didn't
vote so I'm leaving things as they are. maybe next year I'll do another
poll and see if the group opinion is strong enough to influence enough
members to vote one way or another.

joseph

ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:

The following ranchos poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:

POLL QUESTION: You can only vote if you have already
submitted your genealogy, but even if
you haven't you can still influence by
giving your opinion via an email to the
group (freedom of speech).

Question: Should the requirements for
being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
(have your genealogy in hand to submit
before being accepted into the group);
the same as now; or less Strict?

I will not change anything unless 75% of
the permanent members vote and if I get
60% of those voting to vote for one of

the choices.

CHOICES AND RESULTS

- More Strict, 9 votes, 45.00%
- The Same, 8 votes, 40.00%
- Less Strict, 3 votes, 15.00%
- Other, 0 votes, 0.00%

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The following ranchos poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: You can only vote if you have already
submitted your genealogy, but even if
you haven't you can still influence by
giving your opinion via an email to the
group (freedom of speech).

Question: Should the requirements for
being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
(have your genealogy in hand to submit
before being accepted into the group);
the same as now; or less Strict?
 
I will not change anything unless 75% of
the permanent members vote and if I get
60% of those voting to vote for one of
the choices.  

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- More Strict, 9 votes, 45.00%  
- The Same, 8 votes, 40.00%  
- Less Strict, 3 votes, 15.00%  
- Other, 0 votes, 0.00%  



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