I have found some sources that give some genealogy on Diego Temiño de Velasco’s wife Francisca de Alcocer. I would like to hear your comments and any information you could share as to whether what has been published here is valid.
Francisca de Alcocer
Father: jurado Hernando de Bañuelos
Mother: Isabel de Alcocer
Paternal Grandfather: Alonso Ruiz de Temiño
Paternal Grandmother: Juana de Bañuelos
Maternal Grandfather: jurado Diego de Alcocer
Maternal Grandmother: Blanca Núñez
Maternal Maternal Great Grandfather: Pedro de Toledo
Maternal Maternal Great Grandmother: Beatriz Fernández
Here are the sources:
There are postings on the nuestrosranchos.org that say that the parents of Francisca de Alcocer were jurado Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de Alcocer:
“Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer, hija del Alcaide de Temiño don Diego
de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer, quien fuera hija del Jurado don
Hernando de Bañuelos y de doña Beatriz de Alcocer, naturales de Bureba.
Burgos en Castilla la Vieja, España.”
- (Unconfirmed) Historia familiar, detallada genealogía...Por Leonardo De la Torre y Berumen
The parents of Francisca de Alcocer’s father, jurado Hernando de Bañuelos, were Alonso Ruiz de Temiño and Juana de Bañuelos. The parents of Francisca de Alcocer’s mother, Isabel de Alcocer, were jurado Diego de Alcocer and Blanca Núñez:
“Alonso Ruiz de Temiño, marido de Da Juana de Bañuelos, vecinos de Temiño. Hijos:
1) Fernando Bañuelos de Temiño, jurado, marido de Isabel de Alcocer, hija del jurado "Diego de Alcocer y de Blanca Núñez (San Bartolomé).”
- p. 386 Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Volume 5 Juan Gil
The parents of Blanca Núñez were Pedro de Toledo and Beatriz Fernández:
“2) Diego de Alcocer, jurado, marido de "Blanca Núñez, hija de "Pedro de Toledo y de Beatriz Fernández (San Bartolomé).”
-p. 208 Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Volume 5 Juan Gil
There are some references to a Alonso Ruiz de Temiño in 1491 suing over his grandfather el comendador Sancho Sanchez de Velasco’s estate. If this is the same person, then this may be where the speculation comes over Gral. Baltazar Temiño Bañuelos being a descendent of the Count of Haro.
En Español:
He encontrado algunas fuentes que ofrecen una visión genealógica de la esposa de Diego Temiño de Velasco Francisca de Alcocer. Me gustaría escuchar sus comentarios y cualquier información que pudiera compartir en cuanto a si lo que se ha publicado aquí es válido.
Francisca de Alcocer
Padre: Jurado Hernando de Bañuelos
Madre: Isabel de Alcocer
Abuelo paterno: Alonso Ruiz de Temiño
Abuela paterna: Juana de Bañuelos
Abuelo materno: Jurado Diego de Alcocer
Abuela materna: Blanca Núñez
Derivada de la maternidad materna bisabuelo: Pedro de Toledo
Derivada de la maternidad materna bisabuela: Beatriz Fernández
Aquí están las fuentes:
Hay publicaciones en el nuestrosranchos.org que dicen que los padres de Francisca de Alcocer se Jurado Hernando de Bañuelos e Isabel de Alcocer:
"Mariana de Temiño Bañuelos y Alcocer, hija del Alcaide de don Diego Temiño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer, Quien Fuera hija del Jurado don Hernando de Bañuelos y de doña Beatriz de Alcocer, Naturales de Bureba. Burgos en Castilla la Vieja, España. "
- (Sin confirmar) Historia familiar, Genealogía detallada ... Por Leonardo De la Torre y Berumen
"Alonso Ruiz de Temiño, marido de Da Juana de Bañuelos, los vecinos de Temiño. Hijos:
1) Fernando Bañuelos de Temiño, Jurado, marido de Isabel de Alcocer, hija del Jurado "Diego de Alcocer y de Blanca Núñez (San Bartolomé)."
- P. 386 Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Tomo 5 Juan Gil
"2) Diego de Alcocer, Jurado, marido de Blanca Núñez, hija de Pedro de Toledo y de Beatriz Fernández (San Bartolomé)."
-P. 208 Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Tomo 5 Juan Gil
Hay algunas referencias a un Alonso Ruiz de Temiño en 1491 demandó sobre bienes de su abuelo El Comendador Sancho Sánchez de Velasco. Si esta es la misma persona, entonces esto puede ser donde la especulación se acerca Gral. Baltazar Temiño Bañuelos ser un descendiente del Conde de Haro.
Francisca de Alcocer and Diego Temiño de Velasco are ancestors of retired Raider Quarterback Jim Plunkett. I grew up a big fan of his. Cool to know we are distant cousins. This is the second Raider in my family tree. I am repeatedly related to retired Raider Coach Tom Flores.
Rick A. Ricci
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A reserva de precisar en su oportunidad la información de la que dispongo, Francisca de Alcocer fue mujer del llamado "Alcaide Temiño", y, entre otros hijos tuvieron a Ana y Baltazar.
Ana casó con el conquistador Pedro Pacho con quien tuvo a tres hijas que casaron con Diego Flores de la Torre, Diego de Padilla Dávila y el Mayorazgo Porres Baranda. Tengo localizados en el Sagrario de México los bautizos de esas tres hijas: Angela, Mariana y Bernardina.
Ana casó en segundas nupcias en Guadalajara con Francisco de Figueroa, quien se convirtió en el tutor de las hijas de ella con Pedro Pacho; también tengo localizado el documento de "tutela" que lo comprueba.
Por esa razón, el Chantre Diego Flores de la Torre, erroneamente titula a su Memorial como "Descendencia de los Figueroa, Flores de la Torre, Padilla Dávila y Porres Baranda", y lo hace de esa manera, pues ignoró que las hijas de Ana se apellidaron Pacho. Me refiero al manuscrito Bancroft, del cual hice paleografía y
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Muchas gracias por toda esa información. Es una buena adición a mi investigación.
En cuanto a la familia Alcocer me he encontrado otra cosa que me gustaría compartir.
Según Juan Gil en este mismo libro que he referenciado, Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Volumen 5, el padre de Francisca de Alcocer Bañuelos, el Jurado Diego de Alcocer, era el hermano del doctor Pedro González de Alcocer, canónigo de la Iglesia Catedral de Sevilla.
Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico escribe en su libro Viejas Familias de Alcalá de Henares (p. 208) que el padre del doctor Pedro González de Alcocer fue Fernán Díaz de Alcocer. Por supuesto, esto significa que Fernán Díaz de Alcocer tambien era el padre de El Jurado Diego de Alcocer. Hay más ascendencia que procede de Fernán Díaz de Alcocer en este libro.
La información que arroja esta en duda sería una de las siguientes:
Laura Balletto cita lo que parece ser una última voluntad y testamento en Studi in onore di Pistarino Geo (p. 390-391) que
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Perdon - el jurado Diego de Alcocer fue el abuelo de Francisco de Alcocer Banuelos.
Robert Zermeno
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Disculpa otra vez. No puedo escribir bien ahora - Francica de Alcocer Banuelos.
Robert Zermeno
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Le pregunte a Leonardo de la Torre Berúmen acerca de la ascendencia de Francisca de Alcocer y me respondió que la obtuvo del sabio padre Salvador Treviño. Esos datos ya los tenía. Sería formidable invitar aLeonardo a ser miembro de "Nuestros Ranchos".
Lo que me parece muy importante para nuestra investigación es comprobar que el Alcalde Diego Temiño de Velasco y Francisca de Alcocer eran primos.
Los nuevos datos aportadoos ahora, acerca de la ascendencia Bañuelos, son muy interesantes.
Un dato: el testamento de Francisca de Velasco, hermana de Ana y Baltazar, se encuentra en AIPEJ en Guadalajara, fechado en esa ciudad en 5 de agosto de 1589, ante el escribano Rodrigo Fernández Cordero, II, fs. 278-281 vta. Dice ser hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y Francisca de Alcocer, ya difuntos, vecinos que fueron de Sevilla; declara haber sido mujer legítima de Francisco Cornejo y madre de Isabel de Temyño, Gerónima de Velasco (esposa de Hernando Espino de Figueroa), el clérigo
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Dear Robert Zermeno and other members of nuestro ranchos
fernando diaz de alcocer is the grandfather to Diego diaz de Alcocer .
No hay dos Jurado Diego de Alcocers, pero si hay dos Diego de Alcocer.
Fernando de Alcocer si tuvo un hijo Diego de Alcocer que murio joven.
El padre de Diego de Alcocer es el Doctor Pero (Pedro) Gonzalez de Alcocer.
I find diego de Alcocer listed as a son to Fernan Diaz de Alcocer as passing away at a young age.
One of the sources that Robert Zermeno identifies is " Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico escribe en su libro Viejas Familias de Alcalá de Henares (p. 208) que el padre del doctor Pedro González de Alcocer fue Fernán Díaz de Alcocer. "
This book also identifies the son of Fernan Diaz de Alcocer named Diego Diaz de Alcocer as dying at a young age.
Sometimes I have found someone identified as a son to be a grandson, or someone identified as a grandchild to actually be a great grand child, I am leaning towards believing Laura Balletto's
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Hi rick,
There’s a Merced from 1501 where Diego de alcocer married to Blanca Nunez is alive. It covers the confiscated property of his wife who was accused by the inquisition. It seems he didn’t die young. In the manuscript it clearly states he’s the brother of dr, Juan Diaz de Alcocer whose parents were Fernando Diaz de alcocer and María Ortiz.
Here is the citation from Pares: Merced a Diego de Alcocer, jurado, vecino de Sevilla, de todos los bienes confiscados a Blanca Núñez, su mujer, acusada de hereje y apóstata.
Archivo General de Simancas,RGS,LEG,150001,4
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx…
Best,
Maven
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Dear Maven
The source where I had picked up my information is Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico in his book Viejas Familias de Alcalá de Henares.
My other source was Laura Balletto's citation of the will stating that diego is Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocers son and therefore Fernando de Alcocers grandchild, how do we explain this will? Pedro Gonzalez De Alcocer was a priest (.doctor Pedro González de Alcocer, canónigo de la Iglesia Catedral de Sevilla.) In this scenario Diego is illegitimate. Real estate deals involve the buyer checking for legal ownership of the seller. Real estate transactions must be written as oral real estate transactions are not enforceable. Laura Balleto’s citation of the Will shows that chain of ownership from the previous owner, Diego, and how he had acquired it, through an inheritance from his Father Pedro Gonzalez De Alcocer who stated in his will that he was leaving it to his son Diego.
Not all of Blanca Nuñez’s ancestors are Jewish. Her father is part
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Hi Rick,
I see ‘hermano’. I am however a novice in reading old manuscript. I’ve asked a few people including historians and credible genealogists and they concur. Maybe others can weigh in? I see:
“QUE EL DOCTOR JUAN DÍAZ DE ALCOCER DEL NUESTRO CONSEJO VUESTRO HERMANO... “
In this immediate family there are many Diego’s and a few Pedro’s so I’m not surprised that people easily get them confused and much of my research is in secondary resources since Not everything is online and I’m in California.
According to Los Conversos y la Inquisicion Sevillana by Juan Gil v. 3, page 206-211. Dr. Juan Diaz de Alcocer was the Brother of Diego Alcocer (married to Blanca). Other brothers include 1. Fernando married to Gracia de Prado ( I think the Prado Madrid fam) 2. Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocer
Coincidently, in vol. 5 p. 394 of this book series it lists Pedro de Toledo married to Beatriz Fernandez, parents of Blanca Nunez is listed in reference to Beatriz testamento in 1508 where she
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Dear Maven,
I will be presenting some of my research next August in Oxnard , California.
Here is a valuable nugget that clears up the Temino-Trevino surname argument.
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The Treviño surname came from Francisca Alcocer’s father. In a municipal archive of Sevilla he is named “Jurado Hernando Bañuelos de Treviño, obrero mayor de Cabildo”. In a secondary source Hernando Bañuelos is identified as a relative of Bernardino Velasco.
El apellido Treviño viene por el padre de Francisca Alcocer. En el archivo del municipal de Sevilla se encuentra su nombre escrito como “Jurado Hernando Bañuelos de Treviño, obrero mayor de Cabildo” Hernando Bañuelos es conocido como pariente de Bernardino De Velasco.
Here is another Golden Nugget:
Estatua de Don Fernando de Alcocer, estatua de Doña María Ortiz y pila bautismal.
Image at File: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Estatua_de_Don_Fernando_de_Al…
Looking at the information
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HI Rick.
Please share when and where you will present in Oxnard. I will be there! Thank you for the golden nuggets.
I have no doubt that Treviño/Termiño were used interchangeably or that Pedro had children, even a diego since its a common family name. What's confusing to me is still the timeline.
Have you ever read the processo of Lope Saavedra of 1539? To cut the telenovela short basically, it confirms that Francisca is married to Diego Tremiño, she has a sister named Beatriz married to Pedro de Leon (who we know parents are Diego alcocer & blanca Nunez) and they all came together from spain the year before on the same NAO. Also Francisca's daughter Francisca Velasco gives testimony in this proceso as well having slept with Lope who is her cousins husband.
Source Image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-437K-2?i=620
We know beatriz came in 1520 and that francisca came in 1538 from ship records. Francisca also already has a daughter near or of adult age so it
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Hi Maven,
Here are some more nuggets.
Alfonso Ruiz De Temino was related to his wife Sancha Velasco. Besides Diego Temiño De Velasco’s parents being related, Diego was also related to his wife Francisca Alcocer. You were correct in calling it a tangled web. All three were related to Bernardino Velasco. And yes Hernando Banuelos de Treviño and Alfonso Ruiz De Temiño both worked for Bernardino Velasco.
I don’t have the date and exact address yet. I just know that the conference will be in Oxnard in August 2020. I’ll let you know the details as soon as Carlos Yturralde confirms them.
The timeline, the research I have on the Alcocer family, and the will stating that he is the son of Pedro, altogether lead me to believe that Diego is Juan’s nephew and not his brother.
And yes, I did know about the scandal. I am guessing that the Diego Treviño that left many descendants in New Mexico is one of the kids born from the scandal. The Treviño of course came from Hernando Bañuelos de
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Maven,
I hope you are well. Below, you can find my novice attempt at the paleography of the document that shows the "Merced a Diego de Alcocer." I recognize I am not an expert and I apologize for the mistakes you will undoubtedly find. I am posting it here for the Nuestros Ranchos Community's reference from what I can tell, I agree with your assessment in that the document seems to state that a "Doctor Juan Diaz de Alcocer" and a "Diego de Alcocer" are brothers.
"...Don Fernando e doña Ysabel por la graçia de Dios rey y reyna de castilla de Leon de aragon de siçilia de granada de Toledo de balencia de galizia de mallorca de Sevilla de çerdeña de cordova de corçega de murçia de Jahen de los algraves de algezira de Gibraltar de las ylsas de canarya condes de barçelona e señores de viscaya e de molina /. Duqes de Atenas y de Neopatria condes de rruysellon e de çerdanya marqses de oristan e de goçiano. Por quitarlo nos ouymos mandado tomar e se tomo asyentos con vos el Jurado
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Rick A. Ricci,
I hope this message finds you well. I am posting this message on October 5th, 2019 and while I realize this message thread started and died out several years ago I am excited to see that it has come back to life. Back when I first read it, I was excited to find that one of the ancestors mentioned here was Blanca Nuñez, my 13th Great Grandmother. Back when I first read this thread, I wanted to reach out to Don Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, but I learned of his passing after several attempts to reach him. I was very saddened by the news because after my several years of research, his name would routinely pop up and the genealogical community started to feel like family to me. I am also very familiar with your contributions, Mr. Ricci, and for me your name is also one of those common household names in the genealogical community; thank you for your many contributions.
I want to be honest in that for years I felt intimidated to participate in these forums, especially because
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Hello Luis, Blanca Nuñez is not the only Jewish Converso in the family. The Alcocer family repeatedly married Jewish Conversos. There were many connections to the Jewish conversó “Cota” family. The wives Leonor De San Pedro and María Ortiz were obviously Jewish Conversos. When I say Jewish conversos I mean that either they converted, or that they descend, from Jewish conversos. The conversion may have occurred a few generations before. Most of these conversos continued practicing some of their family traditions even if they truly converted. It was well known that Juan Diaz De Alcocer came from a family of Jewish conversos yet he and his siblings were very religious practicing Catholics. Juan’s parents, Fernando Diaz De Alcocer and María Ortiz, were also very religious Catholics who made many contributions to the Catholic church. 4) Fernando Diaz De Alcocer (Caballero de la Banda ca 1370) married to Leonor De San Pedro (investigating the strong possibility that she is the daughter of
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Rick A. Ricci,
Thank you for your reply and for your clues. I have followed some of the leads you have provided and they have helped strengthen my suspicion that the family was indeed Judeo-Converso. I am still searching for conclusive evidence, because as of yet, the sources I have found appear to make the case of the their Judeo-Converso heritage based on strong circumstantial evidence. I concede that I have not yet finished reading through all of the clues you have pointed me to, but I hope to be sending you my comments within a couple of days to continue the discussion. While I finish investigating a bit more, please do send more information my way should you come across something interesting regarding the Blanca Nuñez's Jweish ancestry. Thank you, and thanks to those in this group for your willingness to collaborate and to share your ideas.
Anyone else, with something to share or comment, please feel free to do so. All ideas are welcome.
Para cualquier persona que solicite
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Dear Luis,
I am sorry for not be clearer. It is not just circumstantial evidence that they came from a family of Jewish. conversos. Even though Juan Diaz de Alcocer and his siblings embraced the Catholic religion, it was well known that they descended from Jewish conversos. The family had cousins that took a little longer to convert and they were subject to the inquisition. The Cota and San Pedro families from
Alcalá de Henares are two prominent Jewish families that Diego Alcocer descends from. Not all of Blanca Nuñez ancestors are Jewish conversos, as I can trace Pedro Toledo’s paternal ancestry to nobility and royalty.
Thanks,
Rick A, Ricci
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Mr. Ricci,
I hope you are well. I have done some research on the subject and I found an author by the name of María del Pilar Rábade Obradó, who has written many articles on Judeo-Conversos in the Spanish courts. An interesting article has to do with el Doctor Juan Díaz de Alcocer married to María Tellez. The parents of this Doctor Juan Díaz de Alcocer were Fernando Díaz de De Alcocer and María Ortíz. This means that this Doctor Juan Díaz de Alcocer of whom I speak of was the brother of Doctor Pedro Díaz de Alcocer, canónigo de Sevilla. As a side note, one point of discussion in this thread is around the connection to Jurado Diego de Alcocer; some evidence you have brought forth suggests that he is the illegitimate son of Doctor Pedro Díaz de Alcocer, canónigo de Sevilla, and evidence provided by Maven seems to suggest that he is the brother of Doctor Juan Díaz de Alcocer and therefore the son of Fernando Díaz de Alcocer and María Ortíz.
Let me cite some interesting lines:
- Articl
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Mr. Ricci,
I hope you are well. These past couple of weeks I have been investigating this converso family and have not come up with any new sources or clues other than the ones I have posted and those that already appear on this post. I wanted to respectfully and humbly ask you for guidance and some clarification on comments you have previously made:
- Can you describe how the María Ortiz (wife of Fernando Díaz de Alcocer – Junior) is related to the Cota Family? Can you please provide sources and/or documentary evidence?
- You state that you have a married couple by the names of Pedro de Toledo and Beatriz Fernandez that had a daughter named Blanca. Can you please provide sources and/or documentary evidence?
- You mention that it was well known that Juan Diaz de Alcocer came from a family of Jewish conversos; can you please provide sources and/or documentary evidence of how this is well known?
All,
I would like to share some additional information on the lineage of the house of “Alcocer
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Raider Jim Plunkett