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Brick wall in Jalpa

Published by ArturoG -

Hello Group,
I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830 (Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.

I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco records.

I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?

Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?

As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's, Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.

At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!

Arturo

Published by nc_coleman - Mon, 2010-11-01 16:30 | Permalink

However, I wanted to share my experience, and perhaps it may be something else for you to explore:My father was born (1912) at Hacienda del Astillero. The church for that Hacienda is called, if I recall correctly, Nuestra Senora, Maria de Los Refugios. An Image can be seen here:http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/fotovalpa.html#(see under haciendas [not iglesias]- last photo on right).His baptismal record is held at La Purisima church in Valparaiso, Zac., which is the Jurisdictional center (akin to the county seat) - also where civil records for the area would be found.The records for many ranchos in the areas surrounding Valparaiso are found in Valparaiso. It may be that the records you seek are in a larger nearby town.
Natalie

Published by rubenhernandez57 - Sun, 2010-10-31 10:30 | Permalink

Arturo,

I found a Ma. Trinidad Gonzalez Casillas, daughter of Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas in the Jalpa Matrimonios 1827-1838 files, image #89, via the Mormon Church beta search records.

Ma. Trinidad was born in La Villita and married Fermin Pereira Baldovinos (Fermin Pereida Valdovinos) from Ojo de Agua on 9/19/1831.

Assuming Ma. Trinidad was approximately 20 years old when she married, she would be born about 1811. This means that you will not find Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas in the Jalpa Matrimonio 1827-1838 files.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:20:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

Hello Group,
I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830 (Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.

I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco records.

I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?

Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?

As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's, Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.

At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!

Arturo

Look in Nochistlan, Zac. Sometimes they have records in Nochistlan for La
Villita, Jalpa, Huanusco and other surrounding Puestos, Ranchos, Pueblos or
Ciudades.

Alicia

________________________________
From: "rubenhernandez57@comcast.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 10:17:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

Arturo,

I found a Ma. Trinidad Gonzalez Casillas, daughter of Jose Maria Gonzalez and
Julia Casillas in the Jalpa Matrimonios 1827-1838 files, image #89, via the
Mormon Church beta search records.

Ma. Trinidad was born in La Villita and married Fermin Pereira Baldovinos
(Fermin Pereida Valdovinos) from Ojo de Agua on 9/19/1831.

Assuming Ma. Trinidad was approximately 20 years old when she married, she would
be born about 1811. This means that you will not find Jose Maria Gonzalez and
Julia Casillas in the Jalpa Matrimonio 1827-1838 files.

----- Original Message -----
From: agon123@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:20:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

Hello Group,
I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am
stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married
Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and
Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for
Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830
(Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took
place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she
was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the
Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I
didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.

I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any
baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for
the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism
record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco
records.

I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?

Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the
records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success
getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?

As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's,
Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and
she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born
before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later
though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the
grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.

At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a
few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different
women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that
would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this
meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy
of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!

Arturo

Published by siriuslr - Sun, 2010-10-31 07:45 | Permalink

Arturo, Hola en el siguiente registro encuentras a un Lucas en su matrimonio..sé que no es tu Lucas.. pero siendo su contemporáneo del mismo pueblo.. yo no lo descartaría del todo.. porque en las familias se repetían mucho los nombres y los Lucas no son tan comunes, así que aunque no fuese TU Lucas posiblemente, Tranquilino si pudiese ser hermano o su primo.. de tu José Maria Gonzalez.. luego checando aunque te falte una rama.. puedes llegar al tronco común de los Gonzalez de Teúl.. yo he llegado a registros por medio de las cuñadas...pues resulta que a veces un fulanito se casó un una de zacatecas y se fué de su lugar de origen al lugar de origen de la novia, averiguando en su acta de matrimonio di con el pueblo y con los demás hijos.. es comun que si un hermano se casa en una ciudad diferente y se queda ahi.. lo alcancen más hermanos.. éste Lucas pudo ser primo del tuyo... Jose María Gonzalez sólo se casó con Julia Casillas? no tuvo primeros o segundos matrimonios? I will try to check what I can find...Lety R

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Name
Bruno Gonzales Luna

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
09 Oct 1836

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date

Birthplace
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Antonio Gonzales

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Mariana

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Victor Luna

Maternal Grandmother's name
Guadalupe Arellano

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-5

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164320

Reference Number
2:21F36WH

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Name
Lucas Gonzales Luna

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
22 Oct 1834

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date
18 Oct 1834

Birthplace
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Antonio Gonzales

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Maria Arias

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Victor Luna

Maternal Grandmother's name
Guadalupe Arellano

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-5

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164320

Reference Number
2:21F2SST
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Tranquilino Gonzales
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

spouse:
Benita Luna

record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

name:
Francisco Gonzales Luna

gender:
Male

baptism/christening date:
20 Sep 1832

baptism/christening place:
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

birth date:
15 Sep 1832

birthplace:
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

father's name:
Tranquilino Gonzales

mother's name:
Benita Luna

paternal grandfather's name:
Antonio Gonzales

paternal grandmother's name:
Dolores Arias

maternal grandfather's name:
Victor Luna

maternal grandmother's name:
Guadalupe Aro

indexing project (batch) number:
C61704-5

system origin:
Mexico-EASy

source film number:
1164320
Maria Lucas Gonzalez Arias
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

residence:
Zacatecas, Mexico

parents:
Antonio Gonzalez, Maria De Arias

record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

name:
Maria Lucas Gonzalez Arias

gender:
Female

baptism/christening date:
31 Oct 1813

baptism/christening place:
TEUL DE GONZALEZ ORTEGA,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

father's name:
Antonio Gonzalez

mother's name:
Maria De Arias

maternal grandfather's name:
Antonio Arias

maternal grandmother's name:
Juana Gracian

indexing project (batch) number:
C61704-3

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
1164318

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Name
Jose Lucas Carrillo Gonzales

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
24 Oct 1823

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date
19 Oct 1823

Birthplace
, Teul De Gonzalez Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Sisto Carrillo

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Margarita Gonzales

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Tomas Carrillo

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Getrudis Miramontes

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Albino Gonzales

Maternal Grandmother's name
Josefa Najar

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-4

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164319

Reference Number
2:21DZH7D

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

Jose Maria Gonzales
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

spouse:
Julia Casillas

record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

groom's name:
Simon Gonzales

groom's birth date:
1830

groom's age:
35

bride's name:
Valeriana Gonzales

bride's birth date:
1840

bride's age:
25

marriage date:
08 Jun 1865

marriage place:
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

groom's father's name:
Jose Maria Gonzales

groom's mother's name:
Julia Casillas

bride's father's name:
Juan Gonzales

bride's mother's name:
Bonifacia Castro

indexing project (batch) number:
M61705-1

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
1164334
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Groom's Name
Juan Alvares

Groom's Birth Date
1843

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
26

Bride's Name
Maria Gonsales

Bride's Birth Date

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age

Marriage Date
18 Mar 1869

Marriage Place
Santa Maria Mecatabasco,Villa Del Refugio,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Manuel Alvares

Groom's Mother's Name
Maria Jesus Gonsales

Bride's Father's Name
Jose Maria Gonsales

Bride's Mother's Name
Julia Casillas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M60121-6

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1094876

Reference Number

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: agon123@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:20:52 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa
>
> Hello Group,
> I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830 (Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.
>
> I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco records.
>
> I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?
>
> Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?
>
> As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's, Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.
>
> At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!
>
> Arturo
>

si encuentras registros de Tequila me avisas que yo ando buscando a mi bisabuelo Eh!!!
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Name
Manuela Gonzales

Gender
Female

Baptism/Christening Date
19 Jun 1866

Baptism/Christening Place
Tequila, Jalisco, Mexico

Birth Date

Birthplace

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Simon Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Valeriana Gonzales

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name

Paternal Grandmother's Name

Maternal Grandfather's Name

Maternal Grandmother's name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
I06837-7

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
227333

Reference Number
p98

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Name
Ygnacia Gonzales Gonzales

Gender
Female

Baptism/Christening Date
16 Sep 1869

Baptism/Christening Place
TEUL DE GONZALEZ ORTEGA,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

Birth Date
23 Aug 1869

Birthplace

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Simon Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Valeriana Gonzales

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name

Paternal Grandmother's Name

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Juan Gonzales

Maternal Grandmother's name
Bonifacia Castro

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-9

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164324

Reference Number
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hijos: Matias, Anselmo,Hilario, Gumesindo,Doroteo, Eustaquio, Longina, Baleriana

Maria Baleriana Gonsales Castro
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

birth:
28 Apr 1834

residence:
Zacatecas, Mexico

parents:
Juan Gonsales, Bonifacia Castro

record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

name:
Maria Baleriana Gonsales Castro

gender:
Female

baptism/christening date:
29 Apr 1834

baptism/christening place:
TEUL DE GONZALEZ ORTEGA,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

birth date:
28 Apr 1834

father's name:
Juan Gonsales

mother's name:
Bonifacia Castro

maternal grandfather's name:
Silverio Castro

maternal grandmother's name:
Dominga Varela

indexing project (batch) number:
C61704-5

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
1164320

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Tal vez en los registros del mismo pueblo.. de la novia:
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Name
Jose Gumesindo Gonzales Castro

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
13 Jan 1830

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date
13 Jan 1830

Birthplace
, Teul De Gonzalez Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Juan Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Bonifacia Castro

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Vicente Gonzales

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Mariana Miramontes

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Silverio Castro

Maternal Grandmother's name
Dominga Varela

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-4

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164319

Reference Number
2:21F1PWS

Marriages Mecatabasco, ,Zacatecas M601215 film 1094875
baptisms teul, C617045,6,7,4,8,3...film 1164320,1,2,3,4,...

http://tabascozacatecasmx.com/historia.aspx

RESEÑA HISTÓRICA
En el año 1520 esta región estuvo habitada por grupos nómadas que comían raíces, frutas silvestres, además cazaban venados, liebres y aves. Perteneció a la Gran Caxcana, siendo poblada por un grupo chichimeca de caxcanes. Existen vestigios de grupos sedentarios indígenas, ya que se han encontrado hachas de piedra, puntas de flecha de obsidiana y pedernal, huilanches y figuras de barro cocido.
Después de consumada la conquista de Tenochtitlán, Hernán Cortés envió a varios de sus lugartenientes a explorar el territorio donde se encuentra este municipio. Fue Nuño Beltrán de Guzmán quien emprendió la exploración y conquista en 1529. Posteriormente ante los excesivos tributos que les exigían los colonizadores los caxcanes se sublevaron refugiándose en el Cerro del Mixtón. Es hasta 1542 cuando llegan los sacerdotes Miguel de Bolonia y Antonio de Segovia e invitan a los indígenas a través de interpretes a descender de las sierras a las partes planas y comienzan a fincar sus viviendas, es por que con la influencia de los españoles en 1583 se le comienza a dar personalidad jurídica al municipio llamándole Santa María de Mecatabasco, jurisdicción de Juchipila, reino de la Nueva Galicia.
El capitán Miguel Caldera, llamado el Capitán Mestizo, dejó un testamento al morir en 1593 en el que hacía alusión a viejos conflictos que tenían los indios de Tabasco con los huachichiles. El 14 de julio de 1600 con la muerte de los sacerdotes Miguel de Bolonia y Antonio de Segovia, llega el clérigo secular cura beneficiado de Jalpa don Joseph de Figueroa.

En 1612 ante él se hizo la elección de nuevos dirigentes de la cofradía, siendo electos los indios Mateo (prieste) y Fabián Sebastián (mayordomo). Para el año de 1673, Tabasco era ya un pueblo de relativa importancia y contaba con una Iglesia dotada de todo lo necesario para beneficio de su feligresía. En 1794 un informe solicitado por el gobernador observa que en los libros de registro de las cofradías que existían en la Parroquia de Tabasco había una clara división de clases sociales durante la época de la colonia.
Después de iniciarse el movimiento de Independencia el 16 de septiembre de 1810, en el municipio gobernaba el intendente don Francisco Rendón, por lo que trató de salir del pueblo, siendo aprehendido por el jefe insurgente Daniel Camarena y el padre Calvillo. Para el mes de mayo de 1811 pasaron por Tabasco los realistas, dejando una estela de sangre, terror y espanto entre la población. Al terminar la guerra de Independencia, se ordenó hacer la jura de Independencia en todos los pueblos del Estado de Zacatecas y en Tabasco tuvo lugar este acontecimiento el 14 de julio. Tabasco se erigió constitucionalmente en el año 1824 y a partir de esa fecha paso a conformar junto con Jalpa el partido de Villanueva.
Existe un documento en el archivo del Obispado de Guadalajara de fecha 30 de junio de 1831, que contiene el informe siguiente: «El curato de Tabasco tiene los mismos límites que la municipalidad, linda por el oriente con la Villa de Calvillo, por el poniente con la de Tlaltenango y Colotlán por el sur con el pueblo de Jalpa y por el norte con Villanueva. Sus dimensiones son por el oriente una legua, por el poniente nueve; por el sur cuatro y por el norte cinco. Su población es de 8 mil 645 habitantes repartidos en dos pueblos, una hacienda y cincuenta ranchos, esta parroquia para cubrir los gastos del curato no tenia otros capitales mas que los cobros de aranceles y entierros». De acuerdo con lo anterior, observamos que el municipio de Tabasco comprendía Huanusco, Tabasco y Joaquín Amaro. Asimismo, encontramos también información sobre cuatro cofradías que daban vida a este curato.

En el año de 1835 la Legislatura del estado, por decreto, le dio el título de Villa del Refugio a lo que antes fue Metahuasco en idioma náhuatl y Mecatabasco ya castellanizado, la cabecera municipal contaba con mil 800 habitantes contando con cinco haciendas. En 1893 por iniciativa de don José María Sandoval se comenzó a construir la presidencia municipal y se inauguró el 16 de septiembre de 1896.
En el año de 1938 por Decreto No. 86 emitido por el Congreso del Estado se cambia el nombre de Villa García de la Cadena por el de Tabasco.

CLIMA
Predomina el clima templado seco y semiseco con una temperatura media de 18º C y una precipitación pluvial de 600 y 700 milímetros. Sus vientos dominantes son del sur a una velocidad promedio de 8 kilómetros por hora en primavera, verano y otoño, de 14 kilómetros por hora en invierno.

PRINCIPALES ECOSISTEMAS

FLORA
Encino, cedro blanco, madroño, pino, huizache, manzanilla, mezquite, nopal,

Published by ybinsouthsac - Sat, 2010-10-30 19:45 | Permalink

As far as checking the records at the church in Jalpa, just from my own
experience. When we went and asked to see their books, they showed us the oldest
book that they had, it was dated 1919. The Priest came out a little up set and
ask where we had gotten a copy of our records that we showed them, that we had
on us that was dated 1891. The church had a fire some time back and according to
him their records were burned. Don't know how LDS has gotten a hold of the
images of any records! But it's awesome.

Wish you success

I am of the understanding that each parish made a copy of their records and they
were sent to the main church and that's where LDS went to film them.  They did
not go to each parish, they filmed the copies so they were safe from the
distruction smaller churchs faced.

am I correct in this information?
Linda in Marietta

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From: y b
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 10:30:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

As far as checking the records at the church in Jalpa, just from my own
experience. When we went and asked to see their books, they showed us the oldest

book that they had, it was dated 1919. The Priest came out a little up set and
ask where we had gotten a copy of our records that we showed them, that we had
on us that was dated 1891. The church had a fire some time back and according to

him their records were burned. Don't know how LDS has gotten a hold of the
images of any records! But it's awesome.

Wish you success

Linda,

You're mostly correct, they went to the Head of the Archdiocese. I believe Jalpa
falls under the jurisdiction of Zacatecas, Zacatecas, but it could have been
Guadalajara.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 6:54:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

I am of the understanding that each parish made a copy of their records and they

were sent to the main church and that's where LDS went to film them. They did
not go to each parish, they filmed the copies so they were safe from the
distruction smaller churchs faced.

am I correct in this information?
Linda in Marietta

________________________________
From: y b
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 10:30:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

As far as checking the records at the church in Jalpa, just from my own
experience. When we went and asked to see their books, they showed us the oldest

book that they had, it was dated 1919. The Priest came out a little up set and
ask where we had gotten a copy of our records that we showed them, that we had
on us that was dated 1891. The church had a fire some time back and according to

him their records were burned. Don't know how LDS has gotten a hold of the
images of any records! But it's awesome.

Wish you success

According to some documents I've found online from the Archdiocese of Zacatecas, La Villita's church was in existence by the late 1800s. But there are no LDS films for this rancho, so I wonder if the older books may have been sent along to Zacatecas but not filmed?

I'm now working on a different timeline for finding Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas since Ruben spotted a wedding entry for their daughter Maria Trinidad in 1831 in the Jalpa 1827-1838 images. Plus, as Leticia mentioned, it's possible that I may find Jose Maria's town by looking for relatives of his that also named their children Lucas.

I've seen most of the films available for Jalpa, Zacatecas and they have included many individuals who were born, baptized, married and died in La Villita.

----- Original Message -----
From: agon123@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2010 6:51:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

According to some documents I've found online from the Archdiocese of Zacatecas, La Villita's church was in existence by the late 1800s. But there are no LDS films for this rancho, so I wonder if the older books may have been sent along to Zacatecas but not filmed?

I'm now working on a different timeline for finding Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas since Ruben spotted a wedding entry for their daughter Maria Trinidad in 1831 in the Jalpa 1827-1838 images. Plus, as Leticia mentioned, it's possible that I may find Jose Maria's town by looking for relatives of his that also named their children Lucas.

You can also try places like Tabasco, Tlatenango, Calvillo, Juchipila, Nochistlan. This area is known
as the valle de Huejucar mostly in and out of Calvillo, Ags. There is lots of movement and travel
in and out of this area where people got baptized, married, and died.

Daniel

> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 03:22:07 +0000
> From: rubenhernandez57@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa
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> I've seen most of the films available for Jalpa, Zacatecas and they have included many individuals who were born, baptized, married and died in La Villita.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: agon123@gmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2010 6:51:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa
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> According to some documents I've found online from the Archdiocese of Zacatecas, La Villita's church was in existence by the late 1800s. But there are no LDS films for this rancho, so I wonder if the older books may have been sent along to Zacatecas but not filmed?
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> I'm now working on a different timeline for finding Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas since Ruben spotted a wedding entry for their daughter Maria Trinidad in 1831 in the Jalpa 1827-1838 images. Plus, as Leticia mentioned, it's possible that I may find Jose Maria's town by looking for relatives of his that also named their children Lucas.
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Linda, and everyone else,
So from what I read, it seems that any and all records from Jalpa, La Villita, etc., should've been sent on to Zacatecas. The reason I had asked in the first place is because I had been told that the parish in La Villita had been active and presumably was baptizing and marrying folks during the late 1800s/early 1900s. Yet there are no films for the parish. I assume that means that either no records were sent or that they weren't filmed.

As I've searched in Tabasco, I've not found more than a 1 or 2 references to La Villita. And I haven't found any references for some of the online images for Teul, Mezquital del Oro, Calvillo, that I've looked through. But I'll keep looking. As for Nochistlan, I'll take a look there for possible relatives. But I also found another "La Villita" in Nochistlan's jurisdiction (http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/la-villita-15/) that I hope wasn't confusing people with "La Villita" in Jalpa's jurisdiction (http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/guadalupe-victoria-la-villita/).

Thanks to all of your input and suggestions,
Arturo

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