I have searched extensively but so far am unable to locate documents for my paternal Great-great-grandfather Barbaro Soria, although I have found his children, which gave names of his father and grandfather. The Soria family settled in the areas of Moyahua, Juchipila and Nochistlan, in Zacatecas, Mexico. I am familiar with the origins of the Soria name but cannot make a specific connection from Mexico back to their native Spain. They may have settled Central Mexico by way of the Gulf, or through South America, and maybe even from the Pacific side. I have been searching ancillary records such as day-by-day "defunciones," however, specific records in my searches are either missing for those particular years I wish to search, or are in "desorden" and offer no starting point. I wonder if anyone has connections to people in the area who could direct me perhaps to other church records I may not have seen. Perhaps even burial records in Moyahua, Juchipila and Nochistlan. I would welcome any new information.
My Grandfather, Juan Soria was born at El Ranchito, in Juchipila, 11 Feb 1888. His maternal side, Villalobos, has deep roots in Nochistlán. His father, Teodocio, was born at Mesquituta, in Moyahua, Zacatecas, 26 Mar 1867. I found no documents for Teodocio’s father, grandfather, or great-grandfather, names respectively: Barbaro Soria (wife – Sostenes Luna), Juan Soria (wife – Justa Estrada), and Antonio Soria (wife – Rosalia Portagal Rodriques).
Not sure if you are still looking for info for Barbaro Soria, but recent census
info on family search has tied several Soria/Osorio/Osoria families together
in the Juchipila/Moyahua areas.
Barbaro Soria (in earlier records written as Osorio/Osoria) is listed in the 1841 Juchipila padron (census), along with parents and siblings. He was listed in the town of Amoxochitl (also listed as Amotochil).
He was listed as age 10 (born circa 1831) Likely in Amotochil, as his father (Juan Soria (Osorio/Osoria) is found in the 1813 Juchipila Padron (census), also in Amoxochitl.
The 1813 Juchipila census lists no ages, but lists family members.
The 1841 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K8-K5J5?i=652
The 1813 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K8-KPFB?i=862&cat=23…
My Juchpila area database/website has all of this info, plus many Juchipila
area dispensations, including several Soria/Osorio/Osoria families.
From what has been pieced together
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I have not studied the Soria name and am unable to provide long branches of this name like I can of most surnames from Jalisco and Zacatecas. However I may be able to help you in your reflection of why your research has failed to make the connections that you are looking for. You stated that you are familiar with the origins of the Soria name but did not detail any of this familiarity. What other variations are there, if any? Is Siorda a variation of Soria? In the timeframe where many of our ancestors came to the new world from Spain many of them used different surnames then their fathers. Have you done extensive research on the Soria women? This is usually more difficult as we sometimes find the women using multiple surnames. Have you looked into the "archivos secretos".? Have you looked through court documents that refer to Sorias in Spain and Mexico? Often there are court documents that clarify the relationship between the emigrants from Spain as they fight over assets
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Thank you very much for your response. I am aware of the variations of the name but so far have only been looking at Soria/de Soria only because that is what my found-documents indicate--thus far. I had not attempted much of a search in Spain as it seemed pointless without knowing the specific transition point from there to Mexico, but the perspectives you offered are quite interesting and worth looking into. I have attempted to look for the women as well but will attempt to pursue this more deeply now. I will also backtrack once more and glean documents for any possible hidden "nugget." Thank you for the new ideas.
To all on this forum, I realize as well that I was quite remiss--failing to introduce myself with a greeting. I do apologize:
Hi,
My name is Isidro C. Soria Jr., son of Isidro Chaves Soria, who is son of Juan Villalobos Soria and Manuela Portillo Chaves. I began researching my family branches about 10 years ago and this is one of only a few seemingly insurmountable
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I've have recently trying to look for some Soria in Nochistlán, but I've haven't go anywhere, I've found out that one of my Ancestors's sister; María Quiralte, (I didn't know her existence) married some one with this last name and lived at the beginning of the 1700's in Nochistlán. Unfortunately the record (a Dispensa) that mention this doesn't have the name of this Soria person. Looking on the FamilySearch index, I haven't found any Soria in this time period in this place, there are a few on Pinos though, but I can't tell if they are the same families. Important to mention here is that this people (my ancestor's sister descendants) are called "De Osoria" and "De Osorio", but a generation later in the mentioned Dispensa they are called Soria. I also look a few records with the Siordia name, but found out no connections with the rest of the Soria/Osoria records. Now this family from María Quiralte are also closed to (based on the godparents names and her kids/grandkids marriages) with
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Thank you for responding. You have helped confirm that I need to begin looking at other name variations. I did retreive records for my grandfather's Villalobos side going into Nochistlan to Matrimonio de Francisco De Villalobos Y Maria Carrillo in 1741. Was hoping it would offer more answers but it stopped there.
ICSoria
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Dear Isidro Soria,
I think you may have some success if you extend your search. You mentioned: Barbara Soria (wife – Sostenes Luna), Juan Soria (wife – Justa Estrada), and Antonio Soria (wife – Rosalia Portagal Rodriques) They may have a connection to the Alvarez de Luna family and/ or the Rodriguez Portugal family. I believe that Rosalia may be Maria Rosalia Rodriguez de Portugal. Check out San Juan de Los Lagos and Jalostotitlan and Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco and Guanajuato
Rosalia Portugal Rodriguez?
Name: Juana Rosalia Munoz Rodriguez
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Apr 1771
Christening Place: SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name: Thomas Antonio Munoz De La Barba
Mother's Name: Maria Franca. Rodriguez Portugal
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60338-5 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 220646 ,
Antonio De Soria
mentioned in the record of Barthola Soria
Name: Antonio De Soria
Gender: Male
Wife: Juana Rosa
Daughter
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I have indeed looked at most of these indexed names without success as to direct connections via documents. I understand what you are suggesting and have indeed found a few connections at least by way of relatives, such as siblings. I have all related documents recorded on my Ancestry.com tree. I do not wish to sound dismissive of anyone's attempts to help. At your suggestion, I have begun going through documents more intently to look for ancillary information previously missed. For one, I am beginning to go back and search informacion de matrimonios for extra information. I had not delved into this as much previously because exact date searches are so tedious to look up in those documents. I am also looking through any other available indexes and documents I can find.
Again, I extend my thanks that you or anyone else who would even take the time to look into this and offer help.
Isidro
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Dear Isidro
Don't give up. Here are a few dead ends that ended up not being dead ends.
Close to forty years of genealogy has brought many frustrations at times. I was stuck on some seemingly deadends that I thought would stay just that. My fathers ancestor Salvador Clemente de la Torre was a deadend for close to thirty years until I found a marriage dispensation that Claudia Casillas had posted on her Guadalajara dispensation index. I have found information in the information matrimonial that was not in the marriage record. A couple of times the marriage record ended in a deadend with the marriage record saying that the bride and groom had no blood relationship but I later found a dispensation stating that after they were married someone came forward and stated that they were indeed related and a dispensation was granted way after the marriage.
Another time I was searching for Duran in Zacatecas and the dates did not seem to match so I tossed many of my notes aside
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Rick,
Thank you so much for your in-depth response. It gave me quite a bit to think about and I will file it away and review it off and on, I'm sure. You reminded me of one name in my Villalobos line that did not quite make sense at the time but I saved a copy in my folders anyway. A few years later, I re-approached the name via the subject's niece which I then happened to find, and it lead to a confirmation of the previous connection. I am now, as per your previous suggestion, attempting to look into all relatives mentioned in documents. I didn't do a very good job of adding citations when I began downloading documents but I have rectified that some of those searches, as well as going back and adding more information to names I have been reviewing. I will get better at this I am sure, I just hope it doesn't take me another ten years before finding these names that have been especially frustrating me. Thank you again,
Isidro
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Dear Isidro,
When you mentioned the surname Soria I immediately thought of Siordia which is a Surname that I had come across in the research of my family tree. An ancestor of mine, Francisco Rodriguez Bajo as married twice. I descend from his second wife, thomasa Rosa de Ulloa y sepulveda. His first wife is where I first came across the name Siordia His first wife was known as Teresa Rodriguez Ponce, Teresa ponce siorda and Teresa Sordia.
Teresa ponce de siorda is the daughter of a Nicolas Rodriguez ponce aka Nicolas Ponce de Siordia.
Nicolas is the son of Frncisco Rodriguez Ponce el mozo ( Junior ) and Juana Avalos y Bocanegra.
Francisco el mozo is the son of Francisco Rodriguez Ponce (senior) and Juana Siordia.
Juana Siordia had many siblings and nephews and nieces who used the surname Siordia.
Besides some Siordias using the ponce and Rodriguez last name, some Siordia family members sometimes used Fernandez de Vaulus.
Juana Siordias parents are Maria de Gabay and Pedro
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I too have not done any research on "Soria" but my maternal Aunt had a sister, Natividad Soria (1910) married to a Benign Sandoval. The family was from Zacatecas. It got my attention when you said that one of your ancestors were close to the "Sandoval" family. Natividad parents were Jesus Soria and Nicolasa Soto. This is all I have which I know is very little. Just wanted to comment.
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Barbaro Soria (Osorio) Family of Juchipila