Hello Primos and Primas,
As part of my Valladolid Dispensas work, I ran across this matrimonial dispensation from Tinguindin, Michoacan:
Juan Manuel de Villasenor y Juana de Balbuena (Tinguindin - 1717)
In it, we find that Juan Manuel de Villasenor (vecino de Tlazazalca) was the son of Pedro de Villasenor and Maria de Jaso. Juana de Balbuena (vecina de Tinguindin) was the daughter of Fernando de Balbuena and Leonor de Santa Cruz y Villasenor.
Interestingly, the witnesses call out that there are two parentescos between the novios. The first one is the one I need help understanding and connecting the dots on:
Tronco del primer parentesco: Luis de Lomelin
- Francisco de Lomelin // Juan de Lomelin
- Maria de Lomelin // Maria de Lomelin
- Pedro de Villasenor // Fernando de Balbuena
- Juan Manuel de Villasenor // Juana de Balbuena
I looked around and couldn't seem to find any traces of a Luis de Lomelin son named Francisco nor that of a son named Juan... What I find interesting is that the third witness refers to the Maria de Lomelins (daughters of Francisco and Juan) as Cuebas and NOT Lomelin like the first two witnesses... That got me thinking... Is it possible that the first two witnesses were not old enough to remember/know that the Marias de Lomelins were NOT daughters of two Lomelin brothers but that they were daughters of two Cuebas brothers? Before I go there, I'd like to like to hear from the group if there were any known Lomelin brothers named Francisco and Juan Lomelin, sons of Luis Lomelin.
Thank You,
Daniel Serna Valencia
As always, thank you for the amazing details you provided on this family.
Best,
Daniel Serna Valencia
- Log in to post comments
I posted this line in another thread:
A few notes labeled A through H before the tree.
Note A.
A small minority claim that García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra are the parents of “Mosén Pierres de Peralta “el Viejo”.
Many people claim that 2.”Mosén Pierres de Peralta, el Viejo” was the illegitimate son of Charles II De Navarro d’ Evereaux.
Both are mistaken as their is an extra generation which shows that Mosen Pierre De Peralta “el Viejo” (Pedro Perez de Peralta) is a grandson of both García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra and king Carlos II “el malo” and queen Juana De Francia
Note B
Geronimo Lopez “el Mozo” and his wife, Ana Carillo de Peralta came from the upper high class. Their immediate descendants married into other upper high class society like the Villaseñor, Lomelin, Santiago, Ovande, Alvarez Nuñez, Rivadeneyra, and Cervantes families to name some of them.
Note C
The Diego Coria III that marries a daughter of Geronimo Lopez el Mozo and
- Log in to post comments
Hello,
Happy Holidays!
This week I was able to advance on one of my lines from Tlaltenango and I think it could be part of this same family you mention-de la cueva Carbajal. In the marriage record of my 8x gg Antonio Gil Aro cc Francisca Xaviera Ulloa it states that Antonio is the son of Francisco Xavier Aro Bocanegra ( originally from Jerez) and Gertrudis de la Cueba Carbajal.
RECORD: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQXQ-W?from=lynx1UIV8&…
The line is as follows:
Francisco aro bocanegra cc Gertrudis de la Cueva Carbajal, parents of
Antonio Aro Bocanegra n. Abt 1730 Jerez cc Francisca Xaviera Ulloa Gonzales n. 1733 Tlal., parents of
Antonio Gil Aro n. 1756 zacatecas cc Andrea Torres aka Godoy n. Abt 1760 Tlal., parents of
Juana María Haro n. 1786 Momax cc Juan José Mota Avila n. Abt 1782 Momax
My mother is from Momax. The last record I have placed the family in jerez zacatecas. I think my Gertrudis de la cueba may be descendant of Francisco
- Log in to post comments
Hello,
Happy Holidays!
This week I was able to advance on one of my lines from Tlaltenango and I think it could be part of this same family you mention-de la cueva Carbajal. In the marriage record of my 8x gg Antonio Gil Aro cc Francisca Xaviera Ulloa it states that Antonio is the son of Francisco Xavier Aro Bocanegra ( originally from Jerez) and Gertrudis de la Cueba Carbajal.
RECORD: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQXQ-W?from=lynx1UIV8&…
The line is as follows:
Francisco aro bocanegra cc Gertrudis de la Cueva Carbajal, parents of
Antonio Aro Bocanegra n. Abt 1730 Jerez cc Francisca Xaviera Ulloa Gonzales n. 1733 Tlal., parents of
Antonio Gil Aro n. 1756 zacatecas cc Andrea Torres aka Godoy n. Abt 1760 Tlal., parents of
Juana María Haro n. 1786 Momax cc Juan José Mota Avila n. Abt 1782 Momax
My mother is from Momax. The last record I have placed the family in jerez zacatecas. I think my Gertrudis de la cueba may be a descendant of
- Log in to post comments
Hello,
Happy Holidays!
This week I was able to advance on one of my lines from Tlaltenango and I think it could be part of this same family you mention-de la cueva Carbajal. In the marriage record of my 8x gg Antonio Gil Aro cc Francisca Xaviera Ulloa it states that Antonio is the son of Francisco Xavier Aro Bocanegra ( originally from Jerez) and Gertrudis de la Cueba Carbajal.
RECORD: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQXQ-W?from=lynx1UIV8&…
The line is as follows:
Francisco aro bocanegra cc Gertrudis de la Cueva Carbajal, parents of
Antonio Aro Bocanegra n. Abt 1730 Jerez cc Francisca Xaviera Ulloa Gonzales n. 1733 Tlal., parents of
Antonio Gil Aro n. 1756 zacatecas cc Andrea Torres aka Godoy n. Abt 1760 Tlal., parents of
Juana María Haro n. 1786 Momax cc Juan José Mota Avila n. Abt 1782 Momax
My mother is from Momax. The last record I have placed the family in jerez zacatecas. I think my Gertrudis de la Cueba may be a
descendant of
- Log in to post comments
I descend from Francisco de la Cueva Carvajal cc Maria de Villaseñor y Lomelin. Many members of this Cuevas Carvajal family used other surnames to distance themselves from the inquisition. Many families had some converso roots, so it wasn’t always about hiding some converso ancestry, but many families did want to distance themselves from any family members that were caught iin the “inquisition web.” There is a need to look at many “Dispensas “ from this family to untangle the family lines.
Rick A. Ricci
- Log in to post comments
Thank you both for the information you have provided. The conclusion is that the tronco was really a de la Cueva Carbajal tronco which does have some Lomelin ancestry.
Manny, it doesn't make it any easier that there are at least 3 de la Cueva Carbajals who married a Maria de Villasenor/Lomelin in the early 1600s Jalisco/Michoacan border.
Rick, the additional context you provided certainly helps with figuring out why 2 out of the three witnesses would provide testimony that the tronco of the parentesco came from Luis Lomelin (no doubt it didn't) just not in the way that we expect.
All in all, here's what I have pieced together to flesh out the tronco that initiated the dispensa:
Tronco: Francisco de la Cueva Carbajal cc Maria Lomelin (Groom's side)
- Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin cc Maria de Villasenor
- Maria de la Cueva Villasenor cc Pedro de Villasenor y Figueroa
- Pedro de Villasenor y Cuevas cc Maria de Jaso y Ochoa
- Juan Manuel de Villasenor y Jaso
Tronco: Francisco de la Cueva
- Log in to post comments
Hello DANIEL.,
I agree that they descend from Joseph de Villaseñor Figueroa cc Bernarda de Lomelin y Peralta ( aka Correa Lomelin.). Bernarda de Lomelin y Peralta descends from Luis Lomelin through Catalina Lomelin.
12. Manuel Coria Peralta Regado m. ca. 1630 to Catalina Lomelin (bap. 17/May/1607) (daughter of Luciano (Luis) Lomelin and Maria Del Olmo
13: Bernarda Lomelin Peralta (bap. 25/Oct/1632) Chilchota, Michoacan m. José de Villaseñor y Figueroa
14. María De Villaseñor y Lomelin m. Francisco de Cuevas Carvajal y Monjarás (son of de Don Pedro de Cuevas y Carvajal y de Doña Josepha de Solís y Monjarás)
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
- Log in to post comments
The first name of Fernando de Balbuena's maternal grandfather is not Juan, Fernando de Balbuena's maternal grandfather is Pedro de Cueva.
According to this document, Juan de Cueva y Carvajal (married to Antonia de Vitoria y Gaviño) and María de Cueva (married to Gerónimo de Balbuena) are siblings. They both are the children of Pedro de Cueva (see also the back of the page, image 41 of 374).
I hope this may help to untangle this matrimonial dispensation.
(Catalina Ruiz may/may not be María de Cueva's mother).
- Log in to post comments
Thank you, Rick. This is helpful. I am finding the name changes very confusing. I'm looking at the Carvajal line as well.
- Log in to post comments
Hola Daniel,
There was a Francisco de la Cueva Carvajal cc Maria de Villaseñor y Lomelin, who who I have as residents of Teocuitatlan, Jal, born around 1610ish. Some of their offspring ended up in Michoacan. Their daughter, Ysabel de la Cueva y Villaseñor, also used Olmo on at least one occasion, so there’s probably a link to Luis de Lomelin cc Maria del Olmo - though I have Maria de Villaseñor y Lomelin as daughter of Joseph de Villaseñor Figueroa cc Bernarda de Lomelin y Peralta aka Correa Lomelin.
I hope that helps!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
- Log in to post comments
Thank you Rick!