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Published by craigtwatsona – Tue, 2005-05-17 07:15 | Permalink

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What can be done about those that don't speak the language?  I am
such a person.  It will be difficult to research the family by making calls
etc.  Even if I visited the parish where my greatgrandfather attended, I
wouldn't be able to ask to see burial records, grave records, christenings'
etc.

 


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Published by blbertoeuarte – Mon, 2005-05-16 21:22 | Permalink

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Very good!  In fact, I'm going to use it.

Alberto.
--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> well, speaking spanish is a must. I didn't say
> speaking fluently but 
> near fluency is a must.
> 
> =============================
> 
> I just tell whoever answers that My name is Joseph
> Puentes and that I'm 
> calling all the Puente and Puentes' in the phone
> book to see if maybe we 
> are distantly related. I go on to say I'm a
> genealogist and have traced 
> the family back to 1730. Tracing my family history
> gives me great 
> enjoyment and I would be glad to share that
> information if i can make a 
> connection between our families. I tell them I think
> we're related 
> because most of the Puentes from [that area] are
> related one way or 
> another.
> 
> if the person answering is young then I ask if maybe
> their parents or 
> grandparents are available to speak with. I also
> make sure to ask if 
> anyone in the family is interested in remembering
> the history of the 
> family, remember the names, or are intereste in
> making the genealogy tree.
> 
> I go on to tell them my parents and grandparents
> names and make them 
> understand that it was my grandparents that were
> born in the Rancho. I 
> try to get across that genealogy is not easy and it
> will take a little 
> bit of an investigation to see if our families come
> from the same tree 
> and that they should be patient.
> 
> ==============================
> 
> "Yo me llamo Jose Puentes y estoy llamando todo los
> Puente y Puentes en 
> el libro de telefono para ver si somos parientes
> lejanos. Soy 
> Genealogista y he hayado las rutas de mi rama de
> Puentes atras hasta 
> 1730. Estudiando la historia de mi familia me
> encanta y gustaria mucho 
> mandarte toda esta informacion si puedo hacer el
> conneccion con nuestras 
> familias. Pienso que somos parientes porque todo los
> Puentes de Santa 
> Maria de Los Angeles son parientes en un modo o
> otro.
> 
> Puedo preguntar si sus padres o abuelos estan en
> casa?  Hay personas en 
> la familia que se acuerden los nombres y conocen el
> arbol de la familia 
> o tienen interes en hacer un arbol?
> 
> Mis padres se llaman Antonio Puentes y Louisa Perez.
> Pero mis abuelos 
> fueron los que estaban nacidos en Jalisco. Ellos se
> llamaron Julio 
> Puentes y Virginia Diaz. Estudiando genealogia no es
> muy facil y para 
> hayar la conneccion de nuestras familias puede ser
> poco duro. Ojala que 
> tenemos un poco de pacencia en la investigacion."
> 
> ==============================
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
> 
> > Yes, Joseph,
> >  
> > I would like it if you gave us ideas in what to
> say when we contact 
> > people in Mexico, since they seem to be put off if
> one is not entirely 
> > fluent in Castellan.  Even though I can read and
> understand other 
> > languages after studying them, I can't think on my
> feet fast enough to 
> > speak them. In Italy I spoke mostly Spanish whith
> a few Italian words 
> > thrown in, and they understood me perfectly well
> and respnded in 
> > Italian which I understood.  Same thing in France,
> etc.
> >  
> > Someone in the Jerezano group told me that the way
> to contact people 
> > in Jerez was to ask the radio station to make an
> announcement that you 
> > want to contact people who share the same
> ancesors.  They said that is 
> > the way things like that are usuallly done. 
> Perhaps the newspapers 
> > there would publish such requests too.  My problem
> is that I am 
> > reluctant to call or write the radio stations and
> newspapers for fear 
> > they won! 't understand me, and I wouldn't know
> what to say.
> >  
> > Thanks,
> >  
> >     Emilie
> >     Port Orchard, WA
> >
> >
> >
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Published by kosephouentes – Sun, 2005-05-15 05:20 | Permalink

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RFWine@... wrote:



size="3">Excuse me for coming late into your conversation on this
topic. It's only because my Spanish is so bad that I ask these
questions about references you made in your suggested wording if
attempting to talk to people in Mexico.
 

size="3">In your suggested statement, you make reference to a rancho
in Jalisco, would by any chance be referencing Rancho de los Gomez, San
Juan Buenaventura, Jalisco, Mexico?

no sorry but my Ranchos were up in Northern Jalisco no to far from
Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles (also not very very far from
Huejucar and even Tepetongo, Zacatecas): Rancho de Animas.


size="3"> My family is from this area which is outside of Tecolotlan.
Actually the extended families range from Autlan to Guadalajara. The
surnames of the root families are Amador, Flores, Cueva, Torres, and
Costillo.

The only surname in this list that is in my family (so far) is Torres.
If you want to see my list of Torres go to www.familysearch.org   click
on "Search" then click on the Pedigree Resource Tab and enter this
number in Submission Number: 1808662-0104105163210  under Last Name put
Torre and Torres (you'll get different results with each).


size="3"> Although these names may not ring a bell in the last 150
years, since our families were likely in this area for hundreds of
years, we may have been Puente's too.

Yes it is very possible that as we do more research that we might find
we tie into one surname or the other.

 

size="3">At the turn of the century (20th) the families increased
their migration from Jalisco to California. The most recent wave
departed Tecolotlan in 1920 and traveled by boat north to San Pablo and
then by automobile to Santa Maria, Santa Barbara, California.

Cool. . .how often I've wondered how my family migrated in the late
1890's and early 1900's. I joined a Mexican Train List that sent me
info on which trains were in operation during those times between the
states of Jalisco and Zacatecas and Aguascalientes going North to
Chihuahua. Not to many details but they gave service and departure
points.


size="3">
 

size="3">It was quite dangerous living on the ranch for many of the
families during the Mexican revolution. Many of the decedents of the
Amador family continue to reside in Santa Maria, CA. Some of the Others
from the Amador family continued the migration north to San Francisco.
My grandfather Andreas Cueva Flores (married to Maria del Rosario
Amador) made his way north to Sacramento, California, just in time for
the Great Depression.

I hope your family made out alright. My family did fine according to my
Aunt Julia Puentes who recently passed away. Then again kids very
seldom comprehend they are in dire straits if that is what they have
become used to. There was a story of my grandfather disciplining my
Uncle Manuel for accepting a sack of beans making him take them back.
He would tell them that that food was for the ones that really needed
it. That story at least told me that they were getting enough to eat
during those times.

 

size="3">Now how's that for me making the most out of your wonderful
attempt at helping us with the right words in communicating with
families that remain in Jalisco, Mexico?

Well thanks and I appreciate your comments. I'm glad you took this
opportunity to give us a bit of your families history.



Bear in mind that my spanish is "shaky." There are others in the group
whose spanish is much more fluent. How about some of you taking what I
said and cleaning up the Spanish. give us a more "refined" way of
saying what I said. Show us how to say the same thing without
broadcasting to the world. . .I'm not a native speaker of Spanish
ANYMORE!

 

size="3">Have a great day and drink California wine,



My dad had a daily ritual when I was growing up. He would crack and egg
into a glass and a small glass of wine. He would down the egg and chase
it with the wine.  I'm not sure where that came from but who knows
maybe its from Jalisco. . .quien sabe?



Primo pasame la botella! 



Joseph Puentes

13110 Meadow Ridge Drive

Rougemont, NC 27572

 

size="3">Richard Amador Flores

ps: So are thinking in terms of submitting your research? Are you
utilizing your local Family History Center? If you need any thoughts or
ideas please ask voice them to the group. . .these days more and more
folks are chiming in giving their opinions (boy am I glad for that). 
You never know but if you send out your details in the form of your
genealogy report you might find a connection.

 
 
In
a message dated 5/14/2005 12:34:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
makas@... writes:

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"Yo me llamo Jose Puentes y estoy llamando todo los Puente y Puentes en
el libro de telefono para ver si somos parientes lejanos. Soy
Genealogista y he hayado las rutas de mi rama de Puentes atras hasta
1730. Estudiando la historia de mi familia me encanta y gustaria mucho
mandarte toda esta informacion si puedo hacer el conneccion con
nuestras familias. Pienso que somos parientes porque todo los Puentes
de Santa Maria de Los Angeles son parientes en un modo o otro.



Puedo preguntar si sus padres o abuelos estan en casa?  Hay personas en
la familia que se acuerden los nombres y conocen el arbol de la familia
o tienen interes en hacer un arbol?



Mis padres se llaman Antonio Puentes y Louisa Perez. Pero mis abuelos
fueron los que estaban nacidos en Jalisco. Ellos se llamaron Julio
Puentes y Virginia Diaz. Estudiando genealogia no es muy facil y para
hayar la conneccion de nuestras familias puede ser poco duro. Ojala que
tenemos un poco de pacencia en la investigacion."

 

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Sacramento/Santa Rosa/San Francisco

916-997-5020
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