Dear Members:
I would like to share the following with our members
since I believe most of us are about the same age
range, like me, a youthful med 60s, and are probably
purchasing expensive prescription drugs. 

My wife just got back from the doctor and was given a
free prescription pill for her illness that would
normally cost me $50.00 each.  She will eventually
need to take the same pill, once a month, that will
cost me $200.00 for 4 pills.  Yes, $200.00 for 4
pills.

Anyway, this morning I found a number of pharmacies in
Canada that sell the same pills, same weight, and I
believe from the same company that makes the pills.
The same pill in Canada will now cost me $9.58 each,
or a total cost for 4 pills at $53.31, and that
includes shipping cost. 

You can log on www.pharmacychecker.com to
see
comparative costs of drugs from the various pharmacies
throughout Canada.

Good luck.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, Caifornia

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> She's probably related to my great-grandfather's
> first wife, Eleuteria
> Tovar.:)  Marge:)
> On Jul 9, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
>
> > You think that is confusing? My great grandmother
> >  Maria Dolores Vasquez Tovar from Jerez had her
> name
> >  written sometimes as: Maria Dolores Tobar, Maria
> >  Dolores Tovar, or Maria Vasquez Tovar, or Maria
> >  Vasquez Tobar.
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >  Santa Maria, California
> >
>



           
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Dear Members:
I would like to share the following with our members
since I believe most of us are about the same age
range, like me, a youthful med 60s, and are probably
purchasing expensive prescription drugs.  

My wife just got back from the doctor and was given a
free prescription pill for her illness that would
normally cost me $50.00 each.  She will eventually
need to take the same pill, once a month, that will
cost me $200.00 for 4 pills.  Yes, $200.00 for 4
pills.

Anyway, this morning I found a number of pharmacies in
Canada that sell the same pills, same weight, and I
believe from the same company that makes the pills. 
The same pill in Canada will now cost me $9.58 each,
or a total cost for 4 pills at $53.31, and that
includes shipping cost.  

You can log on www.pharmacychecker.com to see
comparative costs of drugs from the various pharmacies
throughout Canada.

Good luck.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, Caifornia

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> She's probably related to my great-grandfather's
> first wife, Eleuteria 
> Tovar.:)  Marge:)
> On Jul 9, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > You think that is confusing? My great grandmother
> >  Maria Dolores Vasquez Tovar from Jerez had her
> name
> >  written sometimes as: Maria Dolores Tobar, Maria
> >  Dolores Tovar, or Maria Vasquez Tovar, or Maria
> >  Vasquez Tobar.
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >  Santa Maria, California
> >
> 



		
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Yes, I believe all the Tovars in Jerez were related,
just like the Duartes.  We'll have to meet in Jerez
and go to the old cemeteries so that we can research
our old family names.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> She's probably related to my great-grandfather's
> first wife, Eleuteria 
> Tovar.:)  Marge:)
> On Jul 9, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > You think that is confusing? My great grandmother
> >  Maria Dolores Vasquez Tovar from Jerez had her
> name
> >  written sometimes as: Maria Dolores Tobar, Maria
> >  Dolores Tovar, or Maria Vasquez Tovar, or Maria
> >  Vasquez Tobar.
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >  Santa Maria, California
> >
> 



		
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She's probably related to my great-grandfather's first wife, Eleuteria Tovar.:) Marge:)

On Jul 9, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

You think that is confusing? My great grandmother

Maria Dolores Vasquez Tovar from Jerez had her name

written sometimes as: Maria Dolores Tobar, Maria

Dolores Tovar, or Maria Vasquez Tovar, or Maria

Vasquez Tobar.



Alberto.

Santa Maria, California

You think that is confusing? My great grandmother
Maria Dolores Vasquez Tovar from Jerez had her name
written sometimes as: Maria Dolores Tobar, Maria
Dolores Tovar, or Maria Vasquez Tovar, or Maria
Vasquez Tobar.

Alberto.
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> After many years of searching the IGI and
> microfilms, I think that everyone in Mexico was
> named Jose or Maria, or Jose Maria, or Juan, since I
> run into the same things you have.  It seems that
> the priests would also often abbreviate these three
> common names.  Juan was often used with Juan Jose or
> Juan Francisco. More often I see Jose--Jose David,
> Jose Gabriel, Jose Miguel, etc.  Sometimes I see
> Juan de Dios or Jesus de la Cruz.  Would that last
> one be called just Cruz by his family?  Yet I never
> heard of anyone called just Dios. I have seen people
> named Santiago or Santacruz or just Santos. Maria is
> sometimes Maria de los Santos, or Maria de los
> Dolores, or Maria de Jesus, etc.  I have also
> noticed in the films that all children baptised or
> born on or near a certain day were given the same
> saint's name.  So in a village there might by
> several people with the same saint's name and
> surname, making my search for one particular person
> harder since I have to search then for the parents'
> names or other clues to be sure I am researching the
> right person.  I remember as a small child that
> people would sometimes exclaim, "Jesus, Jose y
> Maria!" when something excited them.
> 
> An example:  My great-great grandmother in Dona Ana
> County, New Mexico was named Maria de Jesus Medina. 
> I found a lady by that name living in 1880 married
> to a Jose Provencio, the name of my great-great
> grandfather. but instead of living in Chamberino NM,
> this couple lived in La Mesilla, about 20 miles
> north, and not in Chamberino where I was told they
> had always lived.  I later finally found the other
> couple, the one I am descended from, living in
> Chamberino at the same time.  The ladies were both
> Maria de Jesus Medina, the men were my great-great
> grandfather Jose Eligio Provencio and the other Jose
> Provencio was Jose Maria Provencio.  It took me
> years to find I was following leads on the wrong
> Maria de Jesus Medina.  I kept wondering why her
> husband kept changing his name from Jose Maria to
> Jose Eligio.
> 
> So, in searching the IGI, if at first I don't find
> someone by the name known to his/her family, I will
> enter as a first name simply Jose, or Maria, or Je.,
> or Jn. or Ma. or Mra. and I find what I am looking
> for.  In the actual records, I do see that
> sometimes, rarely, a person was baptised simply as
> just Jose or Maria.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:53 PM
> To: LosRanchos
> Subject: [ranchos] Juan v. Juan Jose v. Jose
> Francisco
> 
> 
> I'm pondering some first names. I've got a relative,
> Vicente Diaz who had 9 children but in every example
> and in his first wedding his father was listed as
> Jose or Josse Diaz.  
> 
> Now isn't listing a person as Jose Diaz over and
> over again the equivilent of saying that he didn't
> know or remember his name?  
> 
> Or that something was up with the name that he
> didn't want to give it?  Are there examples of
> people in the late 1790's and early 1800's being
> named "Jose" by itself without another name, the
> real name? I know that in later times there are
> examples of just plain "Jose" being used but I'm
> unsure of the used of "Jose" only in the later time
> period.
> 
> okay so then at 62 years of age around 1844 Vicente
> Diaz remarries and lists his father as Juan Jose
> Diaz then he dies around 1849 and his father is
> listed as Juan Diaz.  
> 
> Something is fishy here and I think that Vicente
> really didn't have a good handle on what his
> father's name was. I have a brother of his who also
> listed his father as Jose Diaz over and over again
> but whose father on his marriage certificate is
> listed as Francisco Diaz
> 
> And I found a Jose Francisco Diaz married to
> Concepcion Castaneda (correct name for the spouse of
> Francisco, Juan and Juan Jose in every case) who had
> a Vicente Diaz in the right place (Cuculiten,
> Zacatecas) at the right time.
> 
> so I'm wondering if my Juan Diaz or Juan Jose Diaz
> is really Jose Francisco Diaz.
> 
> I've got other information, indirect as it maybe,
> that lends support to this theory. . . .I sure would
> like a shut and closed case but though there is a
> multitude of records I can't seem to get that door
> closed.  
> 
> Sounds like I"m reaching. . .  
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
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Joseph,

I have never come across a man with only the name Jose at baptism.  I asked my wife, Gloria, and she says that she has seen a number of men given only the name Jose at baptism.  Gloria researches mainly Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Puerto Rico.  She has done hundreds of extractions in her own research.  

My own experience, in Senecú, taught me to be flexible in naming people.  In the case of my ggggrandfather he showed up as: Carpio, Juan, Trinidad, Policarpio and combinations of all.  Finally I figured out that he was named Juan Trinidad Policarpio.  I was able to do this by extraction from the microfilms.  I find it incredible that anyone could do it using the IGI online.  I guess you have noticed that the names used in recording marriages is usually different from the baptism records.  Someday I'll read the notes on the Council of Trent to see if the RCChurch mandated that children in the western hemisphere be named José or María.  

I wouldn't be too quick to assume that the son didn't know his father's name.  It was not at all possible for a layman to be able to tell a priest what to do.  No one could stop a priest from writing whatever he felt like writing.  Good luck hunting your answer.

David Delgado in Albany,CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>
Sent: Jul 8, 2005 3:51 PM
To: LosRanchos <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ranchos] Juan v. Juan Jose v. Jose Francisco


I'm pondering some first names. I've got a relative, Vicente Diaz who 
had 9 children but in every example and in his first wedding his father 
was listed as Jose or Josse Diaz.

Now isn't listing a person as Jose Diaz over and over again the 
equivilent of saying that he didn't know or remember his name?

Or that something was up with the name that he didn't want to give it?  
Are there examples of people in the late 1790's and early 1800's being 
named "Jose" by itself without another name, the real name? I know that 
in later times there are examples of just plain "Jose" being used but 
I'm unsure of the used of "Jose" only in the later time period.

okay so then at 62 years of age around 1844 Vicente Diaz remarries and 
lists his father as Juan Jose Diaz then he dies around 1849 and his 
father is listed as Juan Diaz.

Something is fishy here and I think that Vicente really didn't have a 
good handle on what his father's name was. I have a brother of his who 
also listed his father as Jose Diaz over and over again but whose father 
on his marriage certificate is listed as Francisco Diaz

And I found a Jose Francisco Diaz married to Concepcion Castaneda 
(correct name for the spouse of Francisco, Juan and Juan Jose in every 
case) who had a Vicente Diaz in the right place (Cuculiten, Zacatecas) 
at the right time.

so I'm wondering if my Juan Diaz or Juan Jose Diaz is really Jose 
Francisco Diaz.

I've got other information, indirect as it maybe, that lends support to 
this theory. . . .I sure would like a shut and closed case but though 
there is a multitude of records I can't seem to get that door closed.

Sounds like I"m reaching. . .

joseph


David P. Delgado

I agree

Been there...done that on many occassion.  

Heard years ago priests, in late 1700's,  scripted
"Jose and/or Maria" to distinguish gender.
What say you?

Jose Munoz
Yuba City, Ca.





--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> After many years of searching the IGI and
> microfilms, I think that everyone in Mexico was
> named Jose or Maria, or Jose Maria, or Juan, since I
> run into the same things you have.  It seems that
> the priests would also often abbreviate these three
> common names.  Juan was often used with Juan Jose or
> Juan Francisco. More often I see Jose--Jose David,
> Jose Gabriel, Jose Miguel, etc.  Sometimes I see
> Juan de Dios or Jesus de la Cruz.  Would that last
> one be called just Cruz by his family?  Yet I never
> heard of anyone called just Dios. I have seen people
> named Santiago or Santacruz or just Santos. Maria is
> sometimes Maria de los Santos, or Maria de los
> Dolores, or Maria de Jesus, etc.  I have also
> noticed in the films that all children baptised or
> born on or near a certain day were given the same
> saint's name.  So in a village there might by
> several people with the same saint's name and
> surname, making my search for one particular person
> harder since I have to search then for the parents'
> names or other clues to be sure I am researching the
> right person.  I remember as a small child that
> people would sometimes exclaim, "Jesus, Jose y
> Maria!" when something excited them.
> 
> An example:  My great-great grandmother in Dona Ana
> County, New Mexico was named Maria de Jesus Medina. 
> I found a lady by that name living in 1880 married
> to a Jose Provencio, the name of my great-great
> grandfather. but instead of living in Chamberino NM,
> this couple lived in La Mesilla, about 20 miles
> north, and not in Chamberino where I was told they
> had always lived.  I later finally found the other
> couple, the one I am descended from, living in
> Chamberino at the same time.  The ladies were both
> Maria de Jesus Medina, the men were my great-great
> grandfather Jose Eligio Provencio and the other Jose
> Provencio was Jose Maria Provencio.  It took me
> years to find I was following leads on the wrong
> Maria de Jesus Medina.  I kept wondering why her
> husband kept changing his name from Jose Maria to
> Jose Eligio.
> 
> So, in searching the IGI, if at first I don't find
> someone by the name known to his/her family, I will
> enter as a first name simply Jose, or Maria, or Je.,
> or Jn. or Ma. or Mra. and I find what I am looking
> for.  In the actual records, I do see that
> sometimes, rarely, a person was baptised simply as
> just Jose or Maria.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:53 PM
> To: LosRanchos
> Subject: [ranchos] Juan v. Juan Jose v. Jose
> Francisco
> 
> 
> I'm pondering some first names. I've got a relative,
> Vicente Diaz who had 9 children but in every example
> and in his first wedding his father was listed as
> Jose or Josse Diaz.  
> 
> Now isn't listing a person as Jose Diaz over and
> over again the equivilent of saying that he didn't
> know or remember his name?  
> 
> Or that something was up with the name that he
> didn't want to give it?  Are there examples of
> people in the late 1790's and early 1800's being
> named "Jose" by itself without another name, the
> real name? I know that in later times there are
> examples of just plain "Jose" being used but I'm
> unsure of the used of "Jose" only in the later time
> period.
> 
> okay so then at 62 years of age around 1844 Vicente
> Diaz remarries and lists his father as Juan Jose
> Diaz then he dies around 1849 and his father is
> listed as Juan Diaz.  
> 
> Something is fishy here and I think that Vicente
> really didn't have a good handle on what his
> father's name was. I have a brother of his who also
> listed his father as Jose Diaz over and over again
> but whose father on his marriage certificate is
> listed as Francisco Diaz
> 
> And I found a Jose Francisco Diaz married to
> Concepcion Castaneda (correct name for the spouse of
> Francisco, Juan and Juan Jose in every case) who had
> a Vicente Diaz in the right place (Cuculiten,
> Zacatecas) at the right time.
> 
> so I'm wondering if my Juan Diaz or Juan Jose Diaz
> is really Jose Francisco Diaz.
> 
> I've got other information, indirect as it maybe,
> that lends support to this theory. . . .I sure would
> like a shut and closed case but though there is a
> multitude of records I can't seem to get that door
> closed.  
> 
> Sounds like I"m reaching. . .  
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
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Joseph,

 

After many years of searching the IGI and microfilms, I think that everyone in Mexico was named Jose or Maria, or Jose Maria, or Juan, since I run into the same things you have.  It seems that the priests would also often abbreviate these three common names.  Juan was often used with Juan Jose or Juan Francisco. More often I see Jose--Jose David, Jose Gabriel, Jose Miguel, etc.  Sometimes I see Juan de Dios or Jesus de la Cruz.  Would that last one be called just Cruz by his family?  Yet I never heard of anyone called just Dios. I have seen people named Santiago or Santacruz or just Santos. Maria is sometimes Maria de los Santos, or Maria de los Dolores, or Maria de Jesus, etc.  I have also noticed in the films that all children baptised or born on or near a certain day were given the same saint's name.  So in a village there might by several people with the same saint's name and surname, making my search for one particular
person harder since I have to search then for the parents' names or other clues to be sure I am researching the right person.  I remember as a small child that people would sometimes exclaim, "Jesus, Jose y Maria!" when something excited them.

 

An example:  My great-great grandmother in Dona Ana County, New Mexico was named Maria de Jesus Medina.  I found a lady by that name living in 1880 married to a Jose Provencio, the name of my great-great grandfather. but instead of living in Chamberino NM, this couple lived in La Mesilla, about 20 miles north, and not in Chamberino where I was told they had always lived.  I later finally found the other couple, the one I am descended from, living in Chamberino at the same time.  The ladies were both Maria de Jesus Medina, the men were my great-great grandfather Jose Eligio Provencio and the other Jose Provencio was Jose Maria Provencio.  It took me years to find I was following leads on the wrong Maria de Jesus Medina.  I kept wondering why her husband kept changing his name from Jose Maria to Jose Eligio.

 

So, in searching the IGI, if at first I don't find someone by the name known to his/her family, I will enter as a first name simply Jose, or Maria, or Je., or Jn. or Ma. or Mra. and I find what I am looking for.  In the actual records, I do see that sometimes, rarely, a person was baptised simply as just Jose or Maria.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Puentes

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:53 PM

To: LosRanchos

Subject: [ranchos] Juan v. Juan Jose v. Jose Francisco

 

I'm pondering some first names. I've got a relative, Vicente Diaz who had 9 children but in every example and in his first wedding his father was listed as Jose or Josse Diaz.

Now isn't listing a person as Jose Diaz over and over again the equivilent of saying that he didn't know or remember his name?

Or that something was up with the name that he didn't want to give it?  Are there examples of people in the late 1790's and early 1800's being named "Jose" by itself without another name, the real name? I know that in later times there are examples of just plain "Jose" being used but I'm unsure of the used of "Jose" only in the later time period.

okay so then at 62 years of age around 1844 Vicente Diaz remarries and lists his father as Juan Jose Diaz then he dies around 1849 and his father is listed as Juan Diaz.

Something is fishy here and I think that Vicente really didn't have a good handle on what his
father's name was. I have a brother of his who also listed his father as Jose Diaz over and over again but whose father on his marriage certificate is listed as Francisco Diaz

And I found a Jose Francisco Diaz married to Concepcion Castaneda (correct name for the spouse of Francisco, Juan and Juan Jose in every case) who had a Vicente Diaz in the right place (Cuculiten, Zacatecas) at the right time.

so I'm wondering if my Juan Diaz or Juan Jose Diaz is really Jose Francisco Diaz.

I've got other information, indirect as it maybe, that lends support to this theory. . . .I sure would like a shut and closed case but though there is a multitude of records I can't seem to get that door closed.

Sounds like I"m reaching. . .

joseph

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