Hey Everybody,



this group is free. . .no charge. . .other than the sweat of your brows
as you strive to do your research.



If and when 51% of the membership votes to go with the pay format of
this group things will remain free. Having said that I'm not even going
to bring it up for a vote unless I can get a few more people to jump in
saying they would like to see the change.  Having said that (2) doesn't
mean that we can't revisit this topic from time to time if the
***closed files become an unbearable situation.. Freedom is a funny
thing. . .remember freeedom doesn't mean it's free.



***As I said before they are not closed just closed to modification by
the general population. Any additions, subtractions, corrections, or
complete removal of all files from anyones folders can be accomplished
by communicating with me and I'll make the changes. As I said before
(2) if we come up with a better idea I'm all ears.



joseph



ps: Actually I just thought of a better idea and that would be for
about 10 people to volunteer to have their work moved (by me) to the
YahooBriefcase. That would open enough space in the main files area for
them to be opened again. But that would mean those 10 people would be
in the situation where I'd need to do their updating because the
briefcase is definitely not updateable by anyone other than me.







Connie Dominguez wrote:

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contribute $$, though. Is there a way to put an auto-email reminder to
be sent
out each month I wonder?  Just
a thought.

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ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
Margarita Vallazza

Sent: Wednesday, July
20, 2005
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To:
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Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Re:
Member's Profiles

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want anything to do with PayPal.,..I've had
SOOOOO much trouble with spamming and potential thievery from them!!!
No,
thanx!!!! Marge:)

On Jul 20, 2005, at 12:38 PM, latina1955@... wrote:

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it be difficult to set up the new site with a Pay Pal account?  I don't
mind contributing, and would be willing to give more than $2.00, but
I tend to be lazy about putting bills in the mail, especially without a
paper
reminder that comes with a self-addressed envelope. 

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I value this site, the
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Esperanza (Chicago,
Illinois area)

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Arturo Ramos wrote:

I volunteer to set up the site with the interactive family tree 
software I have on my site currently and to include a bulletin board 
system that we can use similar to this list.

this sounds good to me if the membership would like to go in this
direction. Maybe it will be different this time but in times past I
have had trouble getting folks to vote and a move of this nature would
need a bare minimum 51% vote in favor of such actions.

We would need to either get small donations to cover a cost of about 
$150 a year for hosting

we currently have 93 members of which I'd say that 85 would be left
after all said and done. So lets say 75 were willing to do this then
that would be $2 per member am I right?

 or try to make that money back through 
advertising on the site... We can get Google ads on the site and as 
long as people click through on the ads enough, we will probably be 
able to make back the cost (depending on how many users there are and 
how often people go on the site).

My cost estimate is for a hosting package that would give us 3GB of 
storage.  People could upload files in addition to their GEDCOMs.  
All of the family information would be searchable by name, place, 
etc. and could be searchable on a tree-specific basis or the entire 
database could be searched at once.  Of course these functions would 
only be available for registered members.  How many are there?

93



joseph

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
  

20mb + 20mb + 30mb

yes yes yes, if about 5-10 people would take and open up a site 
    

like 
  

yours then I could reopen the main files area for everyone to use 
    

as 
  

they please. Actually we could completely clear out the genealogies 
    

and 
  

put them all in the links area of the group if everyone just made a 
website for themselves.

joseph



arturoramos2 wrote:

Joseph:

    

How much storage space are you using now with all of the Ranchos 
groups and briefcase combined?  How many members are there?  Is 
anybody storing anything more sophisticated than their GEDCOM data 
that they are then transmitting in various formats (Word, PDF, 
      

etc.)
  

Check out my family website (I will send you the link in an email) 
and see if you think this might be a possible alternative, where 
people could upload their GEDCOM files (minus living individuals) 
      

and 
  

we can simply restrict access completely to members.  In addition, 
      

we 
  

could use the bulletin board there in lieu of this group and 
      

people 
  

can sign up for more specific areas of interest to receive email 
notification, i.e. by specific geography or topic of posting, etc.

We could probably host a site like this for $10-$20 a month if the 
database is not too big.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> 
      

wrote:
  

Joseph, 

I have recently been perusing the members' profiles and noticed 
   

        

that there are many people who have blank profiles. The profiles 
section allows us to post some favorite links, a little about each 
      

of 
  

us, one photograph and a favorite quote, it even entices you to 
create a free web page via yahoo/geocities.com. Even I the clumsy 
      

non-
  

techy person was able to create a very simple page. I would 
      

encourage 
  

others to do the same and while I like the who's who I think we 
should also take the time to fill out the member profiles.
 

      

I am slowly but surely advancing in my research and would be 
   

        

willing to put a link to my homepage with some of my geneaological 
data once I submit it. I realize that it would be public and not 
private but I would not be putting any data for living family 
      

members.
  

Alicia



Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:


Pacorro73@a... wrote:

 I look forward to checking out any of your submissions to the 
   

        

files section of Ranchos, if Joseph allows it.
 

      

I do! In fact I allow every member (that's the requirement for 
   

        

members only). . .I allow each and every member to go to the files 
and links areas of the group and look into (thoroughly study is 
      

more 
  

like it) the individual folders and links to personal webpages of 
each other in search of more family connections. 
 

      

I do. . .in fact I'm a firm believer that the words "I do" are 
        

too 
  

tame. When my wife and I got married in 1995 the justice of the 
      

peace 
  

said "do you Joseph take Figen to be your lawfully wedded wife?" 
      

my 
  

reply was not "I do", but rather "Absolutely without a doubt." 
 

      

Yes the files and links are open and will continue to be open to 
   

        

all members of the group without restriction. The only restriction 
      

is 
  

in the modification of the files that are in currently submitted. 
      

The 
  

reason there is a restriction is because I am doing all in my 
      

power 
  

to keep Ranchos, Free. I don't want to have to charge a small fee 
      

to 
  

be part of this group. That being the case I'm juggling Ranchos, 
Ranchos2, and now YahooBriefcase to find solutions to our growing 
need for additional file space. I closed user modification of the 
Ranchos file space but that doesn't mean the files there can't be 
modified. A simple email to me and I will Add, Remove or even 
completely delete all entires. I'm open to helping do whatever 
      

needs 
  

to be done. I just don't have the solution to leaving it open and 
possibly maxing out the alloted 20megs of space and be in 
      

situation 
  

where people who have their files there already wouldn't be able 
      

to 
  

make additions. I would hate for one person to have to have
 

      

part of his/her work in the main files area and another part in 
   

        

the YahooBriefcase area. Therefore I closed it with about 20% of 
      

the 
  

space remaining for the members there (a majority of us) to make 
additions as needed. 
 

      

I'm open to ideas if anyone would like to tackle this problem. 
        

The 
  

easiest solution would be to hire a megasite with unlimited 
      

storage 
  

capacity and hire a technician to handle the technical end of it 
      

(not 
  

me) and go from there. 
 

      

Yes, I'm not happy with the situation, but can anyone figure out 
        

a 
  

Free alternative other than Ranchos3, Ranchos4, Ranchos5, etc.?
 

      

thanks,

joseph




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