Over the past few years with 1000 Genomes, citizen scientists, and Geno 2.0
testing new discoveries have been made with Y-DNA especially with R-M269.
It turns out that a majority of people from Mexico and Spain that are
R-M269 are positive for an SNP marker called P312 and a majority of them
are positive for DF27 and markers below that SNP. Being terminal DF27 is
very rare and most are also positive for a marker below that. A minority of
Mexican and Spanish R-M269 are positive for U106.
You can see the P312 and the DF27 trees in the following links -
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-P312_Descendency_Tree…
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-DF27_Descendency_Tree…
If you are R-M269 and you want to find out if you are U106 or P312 and
below then you can get a $199 Geno 2.0 test or you can get individual SNP
tests. The cheaper route is with individual SNP tests but you could also
run into a wall by the time $199 in individual tests are done but you get
to choose how many tests you want to get and limit your spending or stretch
it out over a year or two. The fastest and most complete route is with the
Geno 2.0 test.
To get an individual SNP test log into your FTDNA account then select
Orderan Upgrade on the top right then click on
Order an Advanced Test then Test Type then SNP then type P312, or the
desired SNP, then click on FIND then click ADD then NEXT then fill out your
info and so on.
Hello Armando,
I'm my brother's administrator for the FTDNA testing. Recently, I've noticed under haplogroup info a doubling in the
number of test taken shown. What's that about? Were they taken, but just not listed before?
Thanks, Alice
From: Armando
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Advances in R1b DNA
Over the past few years with 1000 Genomes, citizen scientists, and Geno 2.0
testing new discoveries have been made with Y-DNA especially with R-M269.
It turns out that a majority of people from Mexico and Spain that are
R-M269 are positive for an SNP marker called P312 and a majority of them
are positive for DF27 and markers below that SNP. Being terminal DF27 is
very rare and most are also positive for a marker below that. A minority of
Mexican and Spanish R-M269 are positive for U106.
You can see the P312 and the DF27 trees in the following links -
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Hello Alice,
FTDNA is finally showing all of the SNPs that your brother tested positive
for with the Geno 2.0 test. It's about time they updated that information.
Hopefully they update everyone's account with their terminal SNP where the
shorthand SNP is mentioned. They also need to update the longhand
haplogroup such as your R1b1a2a1a1b5 which no longer exists. R-L176.2 is
now R1b1a2a1a2a1b according to ISOGG . They need to either update or
abandon longhand altogether.
Saludos,
Armando
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
> Hello Armando,
> I'm my brother's administrator for the FTDNA testing. Recently, I've
> noticed under haplogroup info a doubling in the
> number of test taken shown. What's that about? Were they taken, but
> just not listed before?
> Thanks, Alice
>
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Yo soy R-M269+ y U106-
No soy muy afecto a andar probando nuevas SNPs porque ya me pasó una vez que pagué por tener las más recientes y pocas semanas después sacaron nuevas, y uno o dos años más tarde otras más. Es el juego de nunca acabar.
Ya tengo el kit de Geno2.0, comprado para buscar porcentajes étnicos y no SNPs nuevas, pero a ver qué sale.
Saludos,
Victoriano Navarro
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My youngest son Robert Jauregui did test with FTDNA with the results of R1b1a2 R-M269 / A, his grandparents live in Teocaltiche, Jalisco Mexico.
My maternal Grandfather's Manuel Miranda line had the same results of R1b1a2 R-M269 / A, his mother, grandfather were from Magdalena, Sonora. (At the request of a distant cousin I upgraded FTDNA to include FamilyFinder for my Grandfather only at this time waiting for results).
My father Richard Rodriguez also tested with FTDNA with results of I2b1 I-M223 / A. I can only trace my Great Grandfather Jaime Rodriguez b. 1862 back to Dallas, Texas and Coahuilla. We are testing my fathers maternal grandfather line (waiting for results) Jose Aguilar from Jimenez Chihuahua.
I would like to upload DNA information into a DNA group thru Nuestro Ranchos,
if we have one. I have joined several groups thru FTDNA.
I also need help on uploading a GED-COM for family tree. I use Ancestry.com and
did not understand how to convert.
Thanks for any help
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From your Ancestry.com family tree, there is a pull down menu for TREE PAGES.
Select TREE SETTINGS. Look for the green box - EXPORT TREE. You will be able to download and save the file to location of your choice.
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Thanks for the information.
Once it is downloaded and saved, how to I upload it to Nuestros Ranchos ?
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I do not know the answer to that question.
We need an administration to respond.
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From your Ancestry.com family tree, there is a pull down menu for TREE PAGES.
Select TREE SETTINGS. Look for the green box - EXPORT TREE. You will be able to download and save the file to location of your choice.
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Thanks for your help.
Judy
Happiness is not based on your circumstances - it is based on your will !!!!!!
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: rvr_jr@msn.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 07:25:09 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GEDCOM Files
>
>
> From your Ancestry.com family tree, there is a pull down menu for TREE PAGES.
> Select TREE SETTINGS. Look for the green box - EXPORT TREE. You will be able to download and save the file to location of your choice.
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Hello Judy,
If you have look at the images that are linked in the original post you
will see that M269 is at the very top with 3 SNP markers between M269 and
P312. M269 exists all over Europe and P312 exists all over western Europe.
DF27 exists in other countries in western Europe. However, in Spain the
DF27 marker is exceptionally high for people that belong to the R1b
haplogroup. There is a 70%-80% chance that your son is P312 and DF27 and
very likely positive for an SNP below those. Geno 2.0 tests multiple SNPs
until they run out of SNPs to test for. Once they get to that point and
provide your results they show the last SNP you test positive for. This is
also called the terminal SNP.
Nuestros Ranchos does not have a DNA group. I have not used the gedcom
portion of Nuestros Ranchos. I see Roy has helped you with downloading your
gedcom from Ancestry which is all I would have been able to do. Having your
gedcom on Family Finder will allow your matches to attempt to determine if
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Gil Ramirez
I tested positive for I2b1 I-M223 and have been trying to follow people that have the same results.
My last name is Ramirez, however, I discovered a direct paternal great grandfather who was born with the last name Rodriguez but later, as detailed on his marriage record, took on his mothers surname Ramirez. He was a legitimate son who was born with the last name Rodriguez.
I have read books that indicate that it was a common practice to carry on your mothers surname during early colonial times. I'm just not sure that this was practiced in Mexico
Long story short, my Haplogroup matches the English, German and Scandinavian I2b1 I-M223 project participants and so far I seem to be the only individual of Mexican descent who has the I2b1 I-M223 and that is participating on Family Tree DNA Jalisco Project.
Only time will tell how many European settlers brought over this Haplogroup to the Americas.
This is why it is a good idea to not only research your ancestors thru
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Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts. There are some things that need to be clarified though.
Every year the Y-DNA longhand names change. I-M223 is now called I2a2a per the 2014 ISOGG tree http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html
In the Jalisco project kit N112800 is I-CTS616 which is a descendant of I-M223. In the Nueva Galicia DNA project there is another person that is also I-M223. See https://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?secti…
So there are actually 3 people from the same region that are I-M223.
You are more than welcome to join the Nueva Galicia DNA project.
It is just a coincidence that you have a surname that comes from a Germanic name. Rodriguez is the 4th most common surname in Spain http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Apellidos_m%C3%A1s_comunes_en_Espa%C… and it is the 5th most common in Jalisco. To see the list of most common surnames in Jalisco go to http://www.ine.mx
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Hola Victoriano,
Hace dos o tres años no sabían lo que saben ahora y aunque han avanzado rápidamente desde entonces no creo que los avances en el siguiente año van a ser tan grandes. Mínimo, por mientras se puede llegar a un SNP mucho mas abajo en el árbol de R1b a que se podía antes. Como quiera ya has comprado la prueba Geno 2.0 que va a analizar un gran numero de marcadores de SNP. Cuando Geno 2.0 te de los resultados reportarán el ultimo SNP a que saliste positivo. Eso se llama el SNP terminal. Luego, si transfieres los resultados a FTDNA y si eres miembro de algún proyecto de FTDNA que tiene una página de marcadores de SNP podrás ver los marcadores a que has salido positivo. Por ejemplo en la página al ultimo de este mensaje hay dos personas que han hecho la prueba de Geno 2.0 que se pueden distinguir por la lista muy grande de Confirmed SNPs. Las personas con una lista mas corta han hecho la prueba de Deep Ancestry cual FTDNA ya no esta ofreciendo o han hecho la prueba
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Advances in R1b DNA