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      FYI

 

 

           I week to Chihuahua about a year ago to meet my cousins for the first time and their children addressed me as tio.

 

 

Arturo Romero

Deena Ortiz <drortiz@...> wrote:

        In a recent conversation, an adult relative of my husband (the son
of my husband's cousin brother -- his first cousin, once removed in English)
informed me that my husband was his tío.  I wasn't about to argue, but I
don't think he is correct.  However, I do not know the terminology for
Spanish genealogical relationships.

        Is there a publication that has it all laid out?  If it has already
been discussed and is in the archives, I apologize for the query, and I'll
look it up.

        In English, each succeeding generation is a new level of cousin -- 
as long as both lines are represented, yours and your relative's.  If you
reach the end of one line, the level of kinship (cousinship) stays the
same,
but the generation moves until the end of the other line is reached.  (I
know -- that was a horrible explantion.)

Common Ancestor
Siblings
1st cousins
2nd cousins
3rd cousins
________________________
3rd cousin once removed (one generation removed)
3C 2R
3C3R, etc.


Thanks for your help.

~Deena Ortiz~





Arturo Romero

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Guillermo - " x times removed" is an Anglo-Saxon family term associated
with distance in a relationship. Historically,  Hispanic families did not
generally practice distancing, shunning, banishment, etc., therefore,
Hispanic families did not use such family descriptions. This continues
throughout present day Latin America.

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Being born and raised in Mexico I can tell you what I
know. I hope it is simple to understand. Any cousin of
your parents, regardless of the level (1st, 2nd, etc)
represents yout tio or tia (uncle or aunt). There is
no limit as far as I know. 

Also, can anybody now explain to a mexican person what
a "cousin once removed means"?

Guillermo.

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> Well now we might be opening up a can of worms. I've
> lived all my life 
> following what you just said. If a cousin of mine
> had a kid his kids 
> would call me Tio. BUT since starting genealogy I've
> heard that this is 
> technically not correct and that the rules in Mexico
> didn't allow for 
> this. So how can we find out what the "official"
> Mexico rules are for 
> relationships?
> 
> Just as a side note I have an 82 year old 2nd cousin
> once removed (he 
> and my dad would have been 2nd cousins) who is a
> Priest in Jerez, 
> Zacatecas. I would like to know the rules but
> regardless of the rules I 
> will never ever ever call this dear relative "Primo"
> . . .respect 
> screams out from the heavens for me to call him Tio
> and thats what I 
> call him: Tio Alberto Roman (Francisco Javier Roman;
> Julian Roman; Juan 
> Nepomuceno Roman; Jose Maria Roman).
> 
> joseph
> 
> docrjr@... wrote:
> 
> > In Mexico, when cousins have children, the
> children refer to the 
> > adults as "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt
> weds, their respective 
> > spouse is referred to as "tio or tia" (politico
> (a)) also. The 
> > "politica" makes reference to the fact that they
> are uncle or aunt by 
> > marriage, not blood.
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The term "politico(a)" in spanish is equivalent to the
term "in-law" in english.

Guillermo.
--- docrjr@... wrote:

> In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children
> refer to the adults as  
> "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their
> respective spouse is referred 
>  to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The
> "politica" makes reference to 
> the  fact that they are uncle or aunt by marriage,
> not  blood.
> 



		
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Well now we might be opening up a can of worms. I've lived all my life
following what you just said. If a cousin of mine had a kid his kids
would call me Tio. BUT since starting genealogy I've heard that this is
technically not correct and that the rules in Mexico didn't allow for
this. So how can we find out what the "official" Mexico rules are for
relationships?



Just as a side note I have an 82 year old 2nd cousin once removed (he
and my dad would have been 2nd cousins) who is a Priest in Jerez,
Zacatecas. I would like to know the rules but regardless of the rules I
will never ever ever call this dear relative "Primo" . . .respect
screams out from the heavens for me to call him Tio and thats what I
call him: Tio Alberto Roman (Francisco Javier Roman; Julian Roman; Juan
Nepomuceno Roman; Jose Maria Roman).



joseph



docrjr@... wrote:

In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children refer to the
adults as "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their respective
spouse is referred to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The
"politica" makes reference to the fact that they are uncle or aunt by
marriage, not blood.

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This is correct, but I don't know of a book or text where you can find this. I know it because this is how it is in Mexico. Many times having to explain this to people who are not from Mexico gets to be a little confusing.

 

Alicia Carrillo

docrjr@... wrote:



In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children refer to the adults as "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their respective spouse is referred to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The "politica" makes reference to the fact that they are uncle or aunt by marriage, not blood.

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In a message dated 1/7/2005 12:07:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, makas@nc.rr.com writes:

regardless of the rules I will never ever ever call this dear relative "Primo" . . .respect screams out from the heavens for me to call him Tio and thats what I call him:

I must agree with this statement.  In Mexico, I have never heard of anything like "primos segundos una vez separados," or whatever.  It's just primos, tio/a, sobrino/sobrina, nieto/a, or some variations and/or combinations. 

 

Please, please check out the following website which explains those tricky parentescos in a very good manner. 

 


 

 

For example, mi "Tio" Julio Gonzalez Estrada, the famous tequilero Don Julio, is my grandmother's cousin.  Both he and I descend from common ancestors, Fermin Estrada y Modesta Moreno.  From this/these "Antepasado en Comun", I am a "Tataranieto," and Don Julio is a "Nieto."  Go across to nieto, and then go down to the Tataranieto box, and you'll see that he is technically my "TIO BISABUELO SEGUNDO."

 

So Joseph, your Tio Alberto Roman, would be your "tío bisabuelo tercero."

 

I hope this helps out, because it sure helped me.  The question posed originally by Deena Ortiz was one which I had in my back of my mind but had never quite fully resolved to answer...until now that is. 

 

Sincerely,

Steven F. Hernandez

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Many of our social etiquette rules, i.e. respecting elders, shaking hands,
etc. are not written in books, they were passed through word of mouth and social
practice. Many of the masses in early times could not read, as only the clergy
and upper social classes had the opportunity to go to school in the 1800's and
earlier. Manuel Roman

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This is based on old Spanish Catholic tradition with the thought that being
an uncle or aunt brought more respect to the family and it also showed a
respect for elders. Manuel Roman

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FYI - Many of the "social rules" were based on the catholic traditions
brought by the Spanish to Mexico.  The non Spaniards, i.e., French and
other Europeans used the traditions Anglo-Saxon traditions, like those in main
stream America today. I learned this from word of month like so many Hispanics.
I confirmed this with my in-laws who agree.

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