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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote: > > Victor, > > I have taken these quotes from pages xxvii. > > En los ultimos años del siglo muchos de los hijos y nietos de conquistadores estaban reducidos a la miseria. Formaban o pretendian formar una especie de aristocracia que desdeñaba todo comercio, granjeria o trabajo honesto y faltandoles ya las encomiendas, se alampaban a los empleos con tal furia que no dejaban respirar a los virreyes y aun sofocaban a la corte con diluvio de memoriales y relaciones de meritos. > > Para todo se creian aptos por solo su abolengo. Eran en suma, una nube de vagos con humos de grandes señores que veian de reojo a los españoles llegados despues de la conquista porque con mejor acuerdo se dedicaban a trabajar en el comercio o en la labor de la tierra. De su industria sacaban comodidades que los de alcurnia de conquistadores veian con envidia, y la desahogaban con morder despiadadamente a los que llaman advenedizos, aprovechando el lado ridiculo de algunos embusteros arrogantes que llegaban contando maravillas de sus riquezas y linajes cuando a legua descubrian la burda tela de su baja y estrecha cuna. Asi comenzaba desde temprano el odio entre españoles y criollos. Este hecho que señala Icazbalceta se fue generalizando y acentuando dia tras dia. > > While I agree with you that this is not the primary focus of the book it does allude to this phenomenon early on in the history of Mexico. > > Alicia > Alicia, I know that you have taken those quotes from the preface to the book. I think it was very unfortunate for the publishers to have chosen such a person to write that introduction full of personal attacks to the author and erecting himself as the sole authority and judge of those who lived thru a very complex period in the history of the New Spain. That was far from being an objective historical analysis. If everyone had been "arrogant and lazy vagrants" we wouldn't have such an exceptional compilation of historical information in our hands. Besides if it wasn't for those creoles that he despises so much México wouldn't have become an independent nation when it did. Read the book, Alicia, and form you own opinion. Then come back and read the preface again and see if you and Mr. Ernesto de la Torre still think alike. Victor
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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote: > > Victor, > > I have taken these quotes from pages xxvii. > > En los ultimos años del siglo muchos de los hijos y nietos de conquistadores estaban reducidos a la miseria. Formaban o pretendian formar una especie de aristocracia que desdeñaba todo comercio, granjeria o trabajo honesto y faltandoles ya las encomiendas, se alampaban a los empleos con tal furia que no dejaban respirar a los virreyes y aun sofocaban a la corte con diluvio de memoriales y relaciones de meritos. > Alicia, I have read the same type of thing/behavior in books in English, specifically in "Miners and Merchants in Bourbon Mexico, 1763-1810" by D.A. Brading (Cambridge University Press). The gachupines would be willing to work but their offspring would consider themselves self-styled nobility. This must have gone on for centuries as successive waves of Spanish immigrants came to Mexico; authors have argued that it is one of the reasons why there was no economic stability in Mexico for much time; obviously there were many other factors. e.g. poor land, no infrastructure (rivers, etc) for transport to markets. The quote that I have mentioned before summarizes what you have said: "Father a merchant, son a gentleman, grandson a beggar." Ed
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