yes good point you just never know what you're going to find. I've
received films that didn't have what they were suppose to have on them,
but that is the rare exception at least with the films I've looked at.



joseph





George Luna wrote:

I have attached a document from FHL Intl 445242 Entierros (Tepetongo, 
Zacatecas) that is a marriage document. I have found others. Being 
listed among the dead is no way to start a marriage. But, it is another 
reason to look at entierros.
George

Joseph Puentes wrote:

  

I love death records. . .hmmm, that didn't sound right.

I've found great wealth in them, but have to agree that the 
information can sometimes be very slim in them. I find that if the 
person was married it will many times only give the spouses name but 
if the person died as a child then the parents. But in those uncommon 
but wonderful cases it gives the spouse and the parents. and the age 
and the location and that they were previously married (but not who 
to). And the cause of death.

I've found a few that gave all the details and agonized over the ones 
that I so much wanted the details but all it gave was the name of the 
person and spouses name and cause of death.

my Grandfather had 11 siblings according to the birth records, but all 
anyone ever knew about was 5. I haven't found all the death records 
but this would be an area where these type of mysteries can be cleared 
up, like Alicia said in her example.

I remember the first time I found my GGG grandmother, Eduarda Torres' 
death certificate (she died 3 days after giving birth). I felt like 
someone had just then died in my family. I mourned for her. . .I was 
really sad.

joseph

ps: see attached for an example of my GGGG grandfather's: Pedro Torres

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

    

Arturo,
 
I have looked at some films for entierros or defunciones for 
Nochistlan Zac, therefore I can only speak of these findings. They 
can be hit or miss, some are very explicit as to the cause of death 
but very sparse in terms of familial connections. For example if it 
was a spouse who died at child birth it will give the husband's name 
but won't say who her parents are. Most of what I found in entierros 
or defunciones did not give a lot of information about family relations.
 
It's good film to view for historical purposes. I gleaned from some 
of these films that there was an epidemic in a certain area of 
typhoid fever or that a high incidence of infants were dying of 
infeccion del ombligo/infection of the umbilical cord which could 
lead one to believe that they had little or no medical care at child 
birth. There were many women who died de "nacimiento prematuro'' 
which didn't make sense to me that it should be put in these terms. 
Premature labor is not necessarily cause for the mother's death. It's 
usually the birthing process whether premature or not.
 
If it was a child who died it would give the child's parents' name 
but not the grandparents. They are very explicit about the cause of 
death, it could say murio de quemado (died as a result of burns) or 
lo corno un toro,(was gored by a bull). You may not get much 
information but I would say it's still worth your time to look at 
these films. It provides a lens for viewing how people lived and died 
in those times.
 
I imagine today we might have many death certificates that would say 
died of AIDS or of drug overdose or car accident, breast cancer etc.
 
These films were useful to me because when I had viewed film and 
extracted data from birth or baptism certificates I would ask mom 
about a certain uncle and she once said I didn't have an uncle by 
that name. I researched the death records and found the death 
certificate, murio de ½ hora de nacido,  mystery solved. 
 
If you do view these films maybe you can give us a little insight 
about your findings and the historical perspective. I hope this 
helps..............Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca

*/Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...>/* wrote:

    Can someone who has looked at films of parrish books listing burials
    tell me how extensive the information listed in these books is? 
    Does
    it list parents, survivors of the deceased?  I have two particular
    issues... one where I cannot connect an ancestor (Marcos LEMUS m.
    Maria
    Barbara YBARRA) to any one of his potential parents (children of a
    Felipe LEMUS that was the grantee of the land where Marcos lived,
    his
    children were born, etc.).  I cannot find a marriage or birth record
    for him...

    The other is that baptismal and marriage records for Jerez,
    Zacatecas
    seem to be missing for the crucial period at the end of the 17th and
    beginning of the 18th century when many families moved from there to
    Totatiche, Jalisco... so I am hoping that death records will make
    the
    connection.





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I love death records. . .hmmm, that didn't sound right.



I've found great wealth in them, but have to agree that the information
can sometimes be very slim in them. I find that if the person was
married it will many times only give the spouses name but if the person
died as a child then the parents. But in those uncommon but wonderful
cases it gives the spouse and the parents. and the age and the location
and that they were previously married (but not who to). And the cause
of death.



I've found a few that gave all the details and agonized over the ones
that I so much wanted the details but all it gave was the name of the
person and spouses name and cause of death.



my Grandfather had 11 siblings according to the birth records, but all
anyone ever knew about was 5. I haven't found all the death records but
this would be an area where these type of mysteries can be cleared up,
like Alicia said in her example.



I remember the first time I found my GGG grandmother, Eduarda Torres'
death certificate (she died 3 days after giving birth). I felt like
someone had just then died in my family. I mourned for her. . .I was
really sad.



joseph



ps: see attached for an example of my GGGG grandfather's: Pedro Torres



Alicia Carrillo wrote:

cite="">

Arturo,

 

I have looked at some films for entierros or defunciones for
Nochistlan Zac, therefore I can only speak of these findings. They can
be hit or miss, some are very explicit as to the cause of death but
very sparse in terms of familial connections. For example if it was a
spouse who died at child birth it will give the husband's name but
won't say who her parents are. Most of what I found in entierros or
defunciones did not give a lot of information about family relations.

 

It's good film to view for historical purposes. I gleaned from
some of these films that there was an epidemic in a certain area of
typhoid fever or that a high incidence of infants were dying of
infeccion del ombligo/infection of the umbilical cord which could lead
one to believe that they had little or no medical care at child birth.
There were many women who died de "nacimiento prematuro'' which didn't
make sense to me that it should be put in these terms. Premature labor
is not necessarily cause for the mother's death. It's usually the
birthing process whether premature or not.

 

If it was a child who died it would give the child's parents'
name but not the grandparents. They are very explicit about the cause
of death, it could say murio de quemado (died as a result of burns) or
lo corno un toro,(was gored by a bull). You may not get much
information but I would say it's still worth your time to look at these
films. It provides a lens for viewing how people lived and died in
those times.

 

I imagine today we might have many death certificates that would
say died of AIDS or of drug overdose or car accident, breast cancer etc.

 

These films were useful to me because when I had viewed film and
extracted data from birth or baptism certificates I would ask mom
about a certain uncle and she once said I didn't have an uncle by that
name. I researched the death records and found the death certificate,
murio de ½ hora de nacido,  mystery solved. 

 

If you do view these films maybe you can give us a little
insight about your findings and the historical perspective. I hope this
helps..............Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca



Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:

style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">

Can
someone who has looked at films of parrish books listing burials

tell me how extensive the information listed in these books is?  Does

it list parents, survivors of the deceased?  I have two particular

issues... one where I cannot connect an ancestor (Marcos LEMUS m. Maria


Barbara YBARRA) to any one of his potential parents (children of a

Felipe LEMUS that was the grantee of the land where Marcos lived, his

children were born, etc.).  I cannot find a marriage or birth record

for him...



The other is that baptismal and marriage records for Jerez, Zacatecas

seem to be missing for the crucial period at the end of the 17th and

beginning of the 18th century when many families moved from there to

Totatiche, Jalisco... so I am hoping that death records will make the

connection.

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