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Deena Ortiz's work is especially welcome and much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Charles Clark

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Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 499


There are 4 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

     1. Re: Sebastian de Vlloa
          From: "Deena Ortiz" <drortiz@...>
     2. Re: Re: Sebastian de Vlloa
          From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
     3. Re: Digest Number 495
          From: Lorenzo Cuesta <quijote1945@...>

4. Subject: Necesito Ayuda:Test PleaseHelp/Alberto; Angel; Helen;
Lorenzo; Maria; Steven(2)

          From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>


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Message: 1
  Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:44:26 -0700
  From: "Deena Ortiz" <drortiz@...>
Subject: Re: Sebastian de Vlloa

There are no parents identified in this record. This is a problem that has
become a block wall for me on several lines. For a series of years (about
the first third of the 18th century, 1752, 1785) no parents are identified
for any of the "pretensos" -- the bride and groom -- on the microfilmed
records for marriages in Nochistlan. Since the abuelos were not indentified
in the christening records till the latter part of 1798, where do I turn
without having to make a trip to Nochistlan to break down these walls? So
far I have only looked at the films of matrimonios and bautismos on loan
from the Family History Center in SLC.


~Deena Ortiz~


Sebastian de Vlloa



just a guess but have you seen this record?:



SEBASTIAN DE VLLOA

 Male   Family
<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/family_group_record.asp?familyid=160665229&indi_id=500167407018&lds=1&region=10&frompage=1>

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Message: 2
  Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT)
  From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Sebastian de Vlloa

Deena,

I was in Nochistlan last September and found that they have less information
than the IGI does. I think that it might be possible to get more information
in Guadalajara than in Nochistlan. In Nochistlan they only have archived the
more recent information as in the last 120 years or around that time frame.
They were reluctant to pull anything that was not on their computerized data
base or they didn't have it there. My sister in-laws sister was, until her
death in 2003 in charge of Tlachichila's Parish Records for about 40 years.
Tlachichila is in the Municipio de Nochistlan and she said that most of the
older records were in storage in Guadalajara. In order to gain access to
those records you must be either a historian, professor, someone with
influence in the Catholic church or you must present a good case to them as
to why you would like to see these records. Maybe by our membership in this
genealogical group collectively we could petition these records. Something
to consider?


Alicia

Deena Ortiz <drortiz@...> wrote:

There are no parents identified in this record. This is a problem that has
become a block wall for me on several lines. For a series of years (about
the first third of the 18th century, 1752, 1785) no parents are identified
for any of the "pretensos" -- the bride and groom -- on the microfilmed
records for marriages in Nochistlan. Since the abuelos were not indentified
in the christening records till the latter part of 1798, where do I turn
without having to make a trip to Nochistlan to break down these walls? So
far I have only looked at the films of matrimonios and bautismos on loan
from the Family History Center in SLC.


~Deena Ortiz~


Sebastian de Vlloa



just a guess but have you seen this record?:



SEBASTIAN DE VLLOA

 Male   Family
<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/family_group_record.asp?familyid=160665229&indi_id=500167407018&lds=1&region=10&frompage=1>


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Message: 3
  Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:12:48 -0500 (CDT)
  From: Lorenzo Cuesta <quijote1945@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 495

Hola Joseph,

Seguí tus instrucciones al pie de la letra. No tuve dificultad de acceso ni
de lectura con los dos documentos que indicaste. ¿Entonces, ya no tenemos
el problem para almacenar documentos?


Atentamente,
Lorenzo Cuesta
Sacramento, CA


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:28:32 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes

Subject: Necesito Ayuda:Test PleaseHelp/Alberto; Angel; Helen; Lorenzo;
Maria; Steven



albertodua, angelrcervantes, mistyriver123, quijote1945,
readysetgo95814, sgapodaca

Will the above members please try to access my personal briefcase to see
if that will be a good place to store additional Files in the future.

You need to go to "Links" then to "Genealogies" then to Click on
"AntonioPuenteAnnaPlacencia
"
and then see if you can access both either one of the files in my
briefcase. If you all can then I might have found a solution to our
storage file problem. . .at least it will give us an additional 30 mb
which is more than we have now.

thanks,


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Message: 4
  Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 03:21:27 -0500
  From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>

Subject: Subject: Necesito Ayuda:Test PleaseHelp/Alberto; Angel; Helen;
Lorenzo; Maria; Steven(2)


Ojala que ya no lo tenemos. No e oido de los otros. voy a tener que
pidir por ayuda otra vez.

gracias

joseph

Lorenzo Cuesta wrote:


Hola Joseph,

Seguí tus instrucciones al pie de la letra.  No tuve dificultad de
acceso ni de lectura con los dos documentos que indicaste.  ¿Entonces,
ya no tenemos el problem para almacenar documentos?

Atentamente,
Lorenzo Cuesta
Sacramento, CA


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    Message: 4
    Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:28:32 -0500
    From: Joseph Puentes
    Subject: Necesito Ayuda:Test PleaseHelp/Alberto; Angel; Helen;
    Lorenzo; Maria; Steven


    albertodua, angelrcervantes, mistyriver123, quijote1945,
    readysetgo95814, sgapodaca

    Will the above members please try to access my personal briefcase
    to see
    if that will be a good place to store additional Files in the future.

    You need to go to "Links" then to "Genealogies" then to Click on
    "AntonioPuenteAnnaPlacencia
    "
    and t! hen see if you can access both either one of the files in my
    briefcase. If you all can then I might have found a solution to our
    storage file problem. . .at least it will give us an additional 30 mb
    which is more than we have now.

    thanks,


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