Well yes a couple. We live in a wonderous time when sources for
genealogy research are plentiful. It used to be that the only way
people could do their research was by traveling to the area or
requesting info from the area via the Postal System. With the great
information we have from the LDS system our opportunities are
tremendously increased for having success in finding info in a way that
is convenient to our lifestyles. All that being said I'd like to say a
couple of things with regards to what is available via the LDS system
and outside the LDS system:



1) they have a fabulous collection of books available only at their
central location, but some are on fiche/microfilm. They do take
requests to microfilm books but this can more often than not be
unsuccessful since they need to get the authors permission before doing
so.



2) As we know they have a tremendous amount of films that have been
transcribed with the information put into the various databases: IGI,
etc.



3) they have even a greater amount of films available that have not
been transcribed so if you don't find the info on the thier webpage it
doesn't mean that its not on a films available for that area [don't
forget that even if your exact area doesn't have films available maybe
the next closest town is where your relatives took their children to be
baptized and married].



4) there is probably a very large amount of material from the
particular churches that did give permission to microfilm that didn't
get microfilmed. I might be wrong but I think I read somewhere that
primary documents [baptisms, marriages, deaths, matrimonial info,
census, confirmation both in church records and vital records] were the
emphasis of the LDS's microfilming efforts. Maybe some others can
comment on this as I might be wrong. But it seems that there was a lot
of information generated by a large congregation in 200 years and to
have all of that info microfilmed might have generated many many more
films than we see are available for each location. I said all that to
say that even if we don't find a film for that information it might not
be a bad idea to start establishing a repoire with your local church in
the homeland. Contact them by phone or mail maybe make some small
donations before you request records. maybe on the second contact after
they see you are serious about helping out some you can ask for info
about the church and what "other" records might be available.



5) there are churches that didn't have their records microfilmed at
all. I would love to find a list of what churches didn't get
microfilmed. How can we find or generate such a list? Maybe if your
particular church doesn't have films available you could contact the
church and ask them what info is available from them directly and
report back so we can add your findings to our database.



6)  aside from churches and municipalities that didn't get their
records microfilmed there are many many many sources of information
that needs to be checked before one could say that "records don't
exist." Archives both in Mexico and Spain. Universities close to your
target area. . .I'd love to go to Guadalajara as I understand they have
a large Archive and University there.  There is much much info that we
haven't thought about that needs to be investigated. . .possibly court
records. wills. land records. notary records. etc. etc. etc.



7) there is a tremendous amount of information about Mexico in US
Archives and Universities. For Chihuahua you'll find a lot at the UTEP
and UNewMex. There is a lot of information on Jalisco at Cal Berkeley.
There is a book called, "The Hispanic Experience in North America" by
Lawrence A. Clayton that I haven't read but it appears to have a lot of
resources for info on Mexico in the US. Here are a few of the 279
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    size="3">The Hispanic experience in North America :

    sources for study in the United States /

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    Lawrence A.
     

    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Publication:
    Columbus :
    Ohio State University Press,

    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Year:
    1992

    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Description:
    vii, 189 p.
    : ill. ; 24 cm.

    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Language:
    English

    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Contents:
    The
    state of Spanish manuscript collections in the United States / Laura
    Gutiérrez-Witt -- Spain's archival materials available in United States
    institutions : the Library of Congress survey of photographic
    reproductions / Guadalupe Jiménez-Codinach -- Documents of the Spanish
    southeast borderlands at the University of Florida / Michael V. Gannon
    -- Sources in private and little-used archives in Spain / Eugene Lyon
    -- The National Union Catalog of manuscript collections : from the
    printed volume to on-line data base / Harriet Ostroff -- The National
    Union Catalog of manuscript collections and Hispanic manuscripts / Alan
    Virta -- The Spanish experience in the United States : sources of
    archives and reproduction of documents in Spain / Pedro González --
    Research. Research on the eastern Spanish borderlands / Charles Hudson
    -- Research in the western Spanish borderlands : on-site and
    out-of-site / John L. Kessell -- Projects. Indian traders of the
    southeastern Spanish borderlands : a Spanish, French, and English
    documentary project / William S. Coker.

    (cont.) The Cuban Papers
    Project and the National Endowment for the Humanities / Paul E. Hoffman
    -- "Ain't no road to Candelaria" : the new world archives-- a dream in
    the desert / Charles W. Polzer -- Alabama and the De Soto expedition :
    a case study in archival opportunity / Douglas E. Jones -- The
    Southeastern Columbus Quincentennial Project / Michael C. Scardaville
    -- Technology. The General Archive of the Indies project / José Luis
    Becerril, Miguel Latasa, Margarita Vázquez De Parga -- Recommendations.
    A history and personal memoir of the project to prepare a guide to
    Latin American source materials in the United States / John Jay Tepaske.

    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Standard No:
    ISBN:
    0814205682 (alk. paper) LCCN: 91-39274


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    States -- Discovery and exploration -- Spanish -- Archival resources.
     


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    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Note(s):
    Papers from
    a conference held at the Library of Congress in Sept. 1987./ Includes
    bibliographical references and index.

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    title="E = History: America. United States">E184.S7
    ; Dewey:

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    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Update:
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    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Accession No:
    OCLC:
    24872359

    color="#666666" face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="2">Database:
    WorldCat



    I guess what I'm saying is that we should think of the
    www.familysearch.org website and all the materials found via the LDS
    church as only the tip of the ice burg. Our relatives ARE recorded. We
    CAN find our relatives. It will take desire and motivation and yes did
    I say a lot of Hard Work and much time.



    thanks Victor for starting this thread,



    joseph



    ps: if you haven't started using WorldCat yet. . .what are you waiting
    for? Contact your public libary and see if you can gain access at home.
    Contact your local Universities and see if you can get access at home
    by becoming a "Friend of the Library" or by joining the Adult
    continuing Education program or by joining ??? Ask them for the
    options.





    Victor Villarreal wrote:
    Joseph, I'm afraid that the percentage of films yet to be captured to 
    the IGI is quite significant, because using the batch number list in 
    Ranchos2 and going thru the list number by number for several 
    localities of my interest many of them didn't return any records.  
    And I mean any records, not just the ones I'm looking for.
    
    This is an unexpected finding for me.  Any comments?
    
    Victor
    
    --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
      
    well thank you so much for this work you are doing. . .commendable. 
        
    I 
      
    thought about doing it but realized I couldn't commit to that kind 
        
    of 
      
    committment. I did a volunteer job on the 1910 Census and boy that 
        
    use a 
      
    lot of time. So I can't do it again unless my situation changes. 
        
    Thanks 
      
    for your efforts. What area are you working on? Have you done other 
    films? Is there a list of films somewhere that has which films are 
        
    in 
      
    "Que" to be done next? Are there other Jalisco, Zacatecas, or 
    Aguascalientes films that might be happening soon.
    
    Gracias Jose para su trabajo!
    
    joseph
    
    zendean wrote:
    
        
    Joseph;  Yes, I am one of the those volunteers that 
          
    does "extraction" 
    
    
    
    
    
    
     
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