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Colonial Spanish Terms

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Searching the Internet for translations of some pretty archane words I have run across in older Spanish colonial documents, I came across a great resource... Compilation of Colonial Spanish Terms and Document Related Phrases Compiled and edited by Ophelia Marquez and Lillian Ramos Navarro Wold and published by SHAAR. It is posted on their website at:

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Arturo that brings up another but related topic. Right now I can't
access this site which all of us have found very very valuable:
http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

if it is only me and the site is really not down how can we do something
similar and make this site available on the nuestrosranchos.org site?
There is sooo much space available for us to upload and was hoping that
we could host this as well if it wouldn't be an outrageous amount of work.

joseph

ps: Duke University actually owns a hard copy of this dictionary but it
is ashame that it is in general circulation and the pages are crumbling.

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arturoramos wrote:
> Searching the Internet for translations of some pretty archane words I have run across in older Spanish colonial documents, I came across a great

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this site is not working for me - is there something missing in the url?
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

> Arturo that brings up another but related topic. Right now I can't
> access this site which all of us have found very very valuable:
> http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
>
> if it is only me and the site is really not down how can we do something
> similar and make this site available on the nuestrosranchos.org site?
> There is sooo much space available for us to upload and was hoping that
> we could host this as well if it wouldn't be an outrageous amount of work.
>
> joseph
>
> ps: Duke University actually owns a hard copy of this dictionary but it
> is ashame that it is in general circulation and the pages are crumbling.
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http:/

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Joseph, Esther:

I was just using the Cubas dictionary yesterday and the link worked fine. I tried a couple of the Colegio de Mexico server URLs and most of them did not bring up a page. They must be having server problems.

When the page comes back up, we can consider mirroring the dictionary on our site. Their setup is pretty good in terms of having the index with hyperlinks to the corresponding page image, etc. If we can get them to share the HTML and JPEG files that would be ideal. Otherwise, someone will have to manually steal the code from their site.

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Thanks Arturo.

I love that dictionary and when it goes down I think that one day it
won't come back. If there is an easy way I'd love to host the site
(mirror as you said) as a back up on the nuestrosranchos.org site so
there will be a kind of back up. I guess we'll have to contact them for
permission.

thanks again,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

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> Joseph, Esther:
>
> I was just using the Cubas dictionary yesterday and the link worked fine. I tried a couple of the Colegio de Mexico server URLs and most of them did not bring up a page. They must be having server problems.
>
> When the page comes back up, we can consider mirroring the dictionary on our site. Their setup is pretty good in terms of having the index with hyperlinks to the corresponding page image, etc. If we can get them

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Hello and Happy Memorial Day weekend to all US members.

Does anybody know what happened to Cubas's Diccionario Geografico, Historico y Biografico??

It seems to be missing again from it's home site at http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

Anybody seen it lately?

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I've noticed that the site hasn't worked for weeks now, and I'm not sure why. The best I can offer is this link on Google Books: http://tinyurl.com/3rgomg2 . This link is for the first volume only. It does allow you to download the volume in a (very large) .pdf file.

I hope the site comes back soon!

Rosalinda

Complete 1930 Mexico Census Now Available Online for Free!

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https://www.familysearch.org/node/1221

Complete 1930 Mexico Census Now Available Online for Free!
May 23, 2011

25 Million New Records and Images for 19 U.S.

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what does "complete" mean? I've looked for Jalpa in the Zacatecas page but isn't listed as a separate municipality, nor is it found in some of the neighboring areas. I didn't find other cities like Tlaltenango as well, which makes me wonder there is still information to be loaded. Or if all that's available has been loaded, then there are places with missing records. I also did a search for Jalpa and didn't find it at all.

It's a shame if this turns out to be the case.

Arturo Gonzalez

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Remember although complete records are always missing. Due to fire, natural disaster,
war and many records that were never microfilm. The church only microfilmed the
places (for the census) that were in the Archivo General de la Nacion. More than
likely these places are not stored in the AGN in Mexico City.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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I did some searching to try to find out how complete the 1930 census is, while there is a book by Lyman Pratt on Latin American census records in general (including Mexico), I found nothing specific.

The microfilms that were indexed and available online are copies of the records in the Archivo General de la Nación in Mexico City.

The 1930 Census is described as the "most complete" census of Mexico, nothing I found has any information on how complete it it.

I looked in the Family History Library catalog for census records. There is no one search that will give you a list of all the microfilm numbers for this specific set of records. You need to search by locality (municipality, not state), which I did for the areas you mentioned, and there apparently are no films.

I took a look at the online films, as they are divided by state, municipality, and then town. I went though all the municipalities and town listed for Zacatecas, Tlaltenango and Jalpa are not there.

From what I can see

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Juan de Araiza y Medina y María del Castillo Ladrón de Guevara

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Hola a todos:

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Una duda, esos Araiza y Medina tienen que ver los "de Medina" que
posteriormente fueron Medina de Tecolotlán???

El 21/05/2011 15:44, enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com escribió:
> Hola a todos:

> El tema que hoy abordaré, es acerca de los progenitores de Juan de Araiza
> y Medina y María del Castillo Ladrón de Guevara. No tengo el dato del
> lugar de su matrimonio, y la fecha debió haber sido por la década de
> 1660's, lo que sí sé. es que eran vecinos de Tecolotlán, debido a que ahí
> están bautizados algunos de sus hijos. También sé, que Don Juan de Araiza
> y Medina, era originario de la Villa de Aguascalientes, y esto muy cierto
> debido a que yo sé que los "Araiza y Medina" son originarios de ahí.

> Sí alguien tiene información que pueda ayudarme les agradecería mucho.

> Salvador Agraz

> Hello everyone:

> The matter I'll raise today is about the parents of Juan de Araiza y
> Medina and María del Castillo Ladrón de Guevara. I don't have the
>

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I have many Araiza and Ladron de Guevara in the South of Jalisco that
married with the main lastnames of my study.
But most of them I find in the 1800s.
The oldest person I have is Laureana ARAIZA maried to Miguel M Espinosa de
los Monteros and Ricardo Ladron de Guevara late 1800's in our about Autlan.
One of my elders told me that the original last name is:

Araizá y no Araiza

Hope we can find out how they arrived to the South of Jalisco.

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Hola Martha:

Los Araiza y Medina de los que hablo, no creo que estén relacionados con los Medina de Tecolotlán ya que el apellido se pasó a las a las generaciones posteriores como Araiza y Medina o únicamente como Araiza.

Saludos

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Sólo una nota tengo que los patriarchas del linaje “Araíza y Medina” eran Juan de Araíza y Medina; y su mujer María de Isla también conocida como María Lozano hija del regidor de Zacatecas. Juan era hijo de Hernando o Fernando de Araíza y Medina; y María de Guzmán. Pienso si no me confundo éstos últimos eran vecinos de Zacatecas. Tengo notado que Juan y María tuvieron por lo menos 11 hijos en total durante su matrimonio que seguro se afectuó en Zacatecas lástima que se quemaron esos archivos.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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Hola Daniel:

Encuentro tu información de mucha ayuda, seguramente mi ancestro desciende de los Araiza y Medina que tu mencionas. Encontré por ahí en un tema de foro de nuestrosranchos los nombres de los 11 hijos de Juan de Araiza y Medina y de María Lozano, entre ellos se mencionan los cónyuges de algunos de ellos. Entre los 11 hijos, figura uno llamado Juan, del cual no hay más datos, quizás por los años en los que se habla puede tratarse del mismo Juan de Araiza y Medina, originario de Aguascalientes que yo busco.

termino AMP en Fe de Bautismo

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Hola a todos, investigando en los microfilms de familisearch de Jalisco, encuentro en las de de Bautismo muy constantemnente el termino AMP.

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Hola Mario,

Me llamó la atención tu interrogante sobre las iniciales AMP, la verdad es que no las había visto en otros libros y no me sonaba a nada. Fui a ver los libros de 1930 y vi que todas (las que yo revisé) después del nombre del bautizado se agrega el adjetivo "Americano" (Puedes revisar el libro de 1930 y lo verás). En la partida de Eligio y las que están antes y después de la de él de 1832 se agregan las iniciales Am y un signo que no es una p (creo yo) sino una "o" final que se pone por encima, como en otras abreviaturas como lmo (legítimo),Pvo (párvulo), etc. Así que lo que creo que pueda significar es "Americano".

Consumada la independencia en 1921, he notado que se comenzaron a eliminar en las actas eclesiásticas los adjetivos, indio, español, coyote, lobo, etc. que indicaban la raza del individuo y el título de Don se cambió por el de ciudadano, pero nunca había visto que se asentara el término "americano" como aquí en todas las partidas sin querer significar, como es

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Hola a todos

La primera vez que había encontrado el termino Americano en los registros
fue en el bautismo de un ancestro mio de 1828 en Lagos de Moreno. Para saber
porque necesitamos entender un poco de la historia de America. Cuando
Cristóbal Colón viajó al Nuevo Mundo el pensaba que iba a llegar a India y
que iba a ser como lo mencionó Marco Polo. Los europeos se dieron cuenta que
no era India sino otro continente y un cartógrafo alemán llamado Martín
Waldseemüller decidió ponerle America en 1507 por creer erróneamente que
Américo Vespucio había sido en primer europeo de estar al mando de los naves
en el continente. En esa época pensaban que era un solo continente y no tres
como entendemos ahora. Gracias al desarrollo de la imprenta, las
denominaciones de Waldseemüller se divulgaron rápidamente en los círculos
científicos de Europa. Los EEUU en su declaración de independencia decidió
llamarse los estados unidos de America, o sea los estados que están unidos
en el continente de

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Pues con todas estas explicaciones me queda bastante claro el
significado e AMP que realmente es AMº
y me apaciona el echo de que una simple pregunta sobre historia familiar
implica una respuesta de la historia de
una nacion.

De antemano gracias a todos por su ayuda.

El 25/05/2011 11:52 a.m., Armando escribió:
> Hola a todos
>
> La primera vez que había encontrado el termino Americano en los registros
> fue en el bautismo de un ancestro mio de 1828 en Lagos de Moreno. Para saber
> porque necesitamos entender un poco de la historia de America. Cuando
> Cristóbal Colón viajó al Nuevo Mundo el pensaba que iba a llegar a India y
> que iba a ser como lo mencionó Marco Polo. Los europeos se dieron cuenta que
> no era India sino otro continente y un cartógrafo alemán llamado Martín
> Waldseemüller decidió ponerle America en 1507 por creer erróneamente que
> Américo Vespucio había sido en primer europeo de estar al mando de los naves
> en el continente. En esa época pensaban que era un

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Published by victorianonavarro (no verificado) – Mar, 2011-05-24 21:35 | Enlace permanente

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Hola,

No creo que diga AMP sino Amº, es la abreviatura de Americano. En la´época de la colonia solían poner la casta a la que pertenecía la persona: español, mestizo, mulato, indio, etc. Después de la independencia en vez de poner la casta ponían "Americano/a", ver los bautismos de Santa María de los Lagos 1828-1832, viene en prácticamente todos.

En el rollo que sigue de Bautismos 1832-1835 en vez de poner la palabra completa, la abreviaban como "Amº / Amª", y hacia 1834 en vez de poner Americano/a ponían Mexicano/a, abreviado como mexº/mexª.
Saludos cordiales,

Victoriano Navarro

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Un ejemplo es:

"Bautise solemnemente a Jose Eligio amp de cinco dias de nacido"

gracias

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Si ejemplificas que sigue despues de AMP podría ayudarte un poco mejor.

Saludos

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

El 23 de mayo de 2011 17:48, escribió:

> Hola a todos, investigando en los microfilms de familisearch de Jalisco,
> encuentro en las de de Bautismo muy constantemnente el termino AMP. ¿que
> significado tiene?, espesificamente lo encontre en fes de bautismo del año
> 1830 en lagos de moreno Jalisco,.
> De antemano gracias por la ayuda que siempre me prestan.
>
> ATTE
> Mario Gonzalez

Where are images for Nochistlan Marriages 1628-1633?

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Hi all!
Does anyone know where I can find images for the records in Nochistlan, marriages between 1628 and 1633? They seem to be out of order at Familysearch.

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Claudia

I found your records! But before I tell you where, here's what I did.

I looked up your people in the old Family Search, and it said they were on film 226724 (batch M606255). When I opened the film for 1627-86, I noted that it had the film number 226724, so it should be the right film. It started at the right time, but your people aren't at the beginning.

I then looked at the first film of baptisms (as these are sometimes together with the early marriages). The film had a different FHL number. So they shouldn't be there. I then looked at the next film of marriages; it also had a different FHL number, so they couldn't be there, and had to be on the marriages film for 1627-86.

The beginning of the film did not have page numbers, so it is not ibvious that pages are missing, but the data were sequential, so that is unlikely.

I scanned through the film, and discovered it is at least two volumes (volume 2 starts at image 181). The beginning date was earlier than the ending date

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George,

You are a very tenacious researcher! I am impressed.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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Claudia

I found your records! But before I tell you where, here's what I did.

I looked up your people in the old Family Search, and it said they were on film 226724 (batch M606255). When I opened the film for 1627-86, I noted that it had the film number 226724, so it should be the right film. It started at the right time, but your people aren't at the beginning.

I then looked at the first film of baptisms (as these are sometimes together with the early marriages). The film had a different FHL number. So they shouldn't be there. I then looked at the next film of marriages; it also had a different FHL number, so they couldn't

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Images for marriages in Cuquío, Jalisco - 1666 to 1705

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Hello primos y primas.

I just found the series of images for early marriages in Cuquío, Jalisco.

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Fwd: En Ciudad de Mexico

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: En Ciudad de Mexico
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 20:25:19 -0500
From: Miguel Muñoz Borrego
To: borrego.migue

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This is amazing! Thank you for sharing.

Esto es increíble! Gracias por compartir.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Registros de Jalisco ahora en linea

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Ya estan disponibles las imagenes de varias colecciones de registros de Family Search en la direccion:

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Gloria Casillas

Muchas gracias por esta invaluable informacion, me va a servir muchisimo, ya que soy mama de dos niños y me es dificil desplazarme al Centro de la ciudad y buscar en los rollos de microfilm, ahora podre realizar mi busqueda con mas calma =)

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I just wanted to let everyone know, that Family Search has uploaded quite a few of the parish records for Jalisco, to FamilySearch.org . I am not sure of how extensive they are, but there quite a few cities listed. And I have only checked out Ciudad Guzman and Sayula. but for those 2 cities, it almost has the entire collection.

Jonathan

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WOW! Fabulous. Putting the films online has really pumped up my
research. Lots of breakthroughs in such a short time. I'm not nearly
organized enough to keep up with it.

I just checked Colotlan, Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Huejucar y Ojuelos
and they looks pretty complete also

Fabulous.

thanks for the quick announcement

joseph

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jonathan@mexicanfhr.com wrote:
> I just wanted to let everyone know, that Family Search has uploaded
> quite a few of the parish records for Jalisco, to FamilySearch.org .
> I am not sure of how extensive they are, but there quite

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Thanks Jonathan, for letting us know about this wonderful news!
I just checked it and it looks like it has most of the microfilms from Zacoalco de Torres. This is great, since up to 70% percent of my family lines are from this area in Jalisco. I can see Atenguillo, Lagos de Moreno, Tlajomulco, Sayula, Guadalajara, Atotonilco el Bajo, you name it.
 
This is a really exciting day!

--- On Tue, 5/10/11, jonathan@mexicanfhr.com wrote:

From: jonathan@mexicanfhr.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Parish Records for Jalisco are online
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 7:01 PM

I just wanted to let everyone know, that Family Search has uploaded quite a few of the parish records for Jalisco, to FamilySearch.org .  I am not sure of how extensive they are, but there quite a few cities listed.  And I have only checked out Ciudad Guzman and Sayula. but for those 2 cities, it almost has the entire collection.

Jonathan

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Im very pleased and exited. I have not felt like this in a while, a kid in a candy store so much
to do and choose but overwhelming. Not only is all Jalisco areas online the Archives for the
Dioceses of Guadalajara, Capellanias and Dispensas Matrimoniales. I hope to see notaries,
wills, and Land grants here in the future.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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Hi, so, where are exactly these Dispensas Matrimoniales from Jalisco?
Are they under one these paths mixed with other records?:

Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records > Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios

Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records > Guadalajara > Sagrario Metropolitano > Información matrimonial

The way I understand it, any couple that got married would be listed under Matrimonios and Información Matrionial, but only those who were somehow releated would be under Dispensas matrimoniales.

Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

1791 Criminal records for Yahualica, Jal.?

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I have located what I think is the burial record for my 5ggmo, Catarina
Perez, on 17 Jul. 1791.

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Hello Raquel (prima),
I have also found that some of my folks were not administered last rights due to "por la violencia de su muerte" - or - "por ser su muerte violenta"...

I don't think it means the a person was murdered, per se, but rather it was a term used when the death was sudden and unexpected. The cases that I've found referred to cases of: 1) died giving birth, 2) died of sudden sickness, and 3) drowning or a similar act that brought sudden death and the priest didn't arrive in time to take confession and administer rights.

I hope this helps.

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Thanks for responding, Claudia. I have thought of that it could be due to
an accident or natural disaster of some sort, too, but what if?

By the way, I've located more records for my Diego Ruiz family, but still no
maternal names mentioned. Catarina Perez was his wife.

Raquel

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I have found several of my ancestors died during Indian attacks on the caravans going north or south on the "Royal Road". They were so far away from any settled place that they were buried in mass graves, and a list of the murdered were given to the priest who recorded their deaths at the hands of "los indios barbaros".

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 23:53:09 -0400
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Muerte violenta"
>
> Thanks for responding, Claudia. I have thought of that it could be due to
> an accident or natural disaster of some sort, too, but what if?
>
> By the way, I've located more records for my Diego Ruiz family, but still no
> maternal names mentioned. Catarina Perez was his wife.
>
> Raquel

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Raquel,

I found it I think in "defunciones" for Juarez, Chihuahua, and the villages in the lower El Paso Valley (Socorro, San Elizario, Ysleta) below the current El Paso, TX. I would find comments like (I am paraphrasing the Spanish) "buried in a common grave". I guess whoever came along and found the massacred bodies knew who they were or they had their names on documents they carried, and from there a list was made to give to the priest. I guess whoever found them said a few words over them before they were buried, but they did not receive extreme unction (the last sacrament), or whatever.

My ancestors who settled from Chihuahua to Northern New Mexico (Taos, Santa Fe, etc) were mostly soldiers assigned to the various "presidios" along El Camino Real (Parral, Janos, San Elizario). They patrolled and escorted folks over these roads to provide security and safety, but if a party struck out on their own without military escort, they were often ambushed by Apaches. Often whole

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Emilie,
I've experienced the same thing researching defunciones of those times in Nuevo Leon around the Monterrey area.  When entire villages or ranchos were attacked, I have come across several pages containing the names of the dead including women, children, esclavos, and other "indios" from indigineous groups different from the attackers .  It's quite sad, but I have to remind myself that we were the interlopers.
Alice
--- On Sun, 5/22/11, Emilie Garcia wrote:

From: Emilie Garcia
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Muerte violenta"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, May 22, 2011, 4:53 AM

Raquel,

I found it I think in "defunciones" for Juarez, Chihuahua, and the villages in the lower El Paso Valley (Socorro, San Elizario, Ysleta) below the current El Paso, TX.  I would find comments like (I am paraphrasing the Spanish) "buried in a common grave".  I guess whoever came along and found  the massacred bodies knew who they were or they had their names on documents they

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Se refiere a todo tipo de muerte violenta, desde asesinado hasta muerto en un accidente. Yo he encontrado dentro de éstas categorías a: devorado por fieras, arrastrado por la corriente de un río, aplastado por un alud, por rocas, derrumbe de minas, apuñalado, atravesado por la espada, mordido por una serpiente, cojido por un toro, pisado o tirado del caballo, quemados mientras preparaban su tierra para siembra, ahogados, etc.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:30:34 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Muerte violenta"
>
> Hello Raquel (prima),
> I have also found that some of my folks were not administered last rights due to "por la violencia de su muerte" - or - "por ser su muerte violenta"...
>
> I don't think it means the a person was murdered, per se, but rather it was a term used when the death was sudden and unexpected. The cases that I've found referred to cases of: 1)

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Rodolfo,
Gracias para su respuesta. Yo he encontrado uno antepasado que se ahogo en
un rio, eran indicado asi y no como "muerte violente". Suyos eran indicados,
o eran como "muerte violente" y buscaba mas informacion? Si buscaba mas
informacion, donde y como?
Raquel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:30:34 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Muerte violenta"

> >
> > Hello Raquel (prima),
> > I have also found that some of my folks were not administered last rights
> due to "por la violencia de su muerte" - or - "por ser su muerte
> violenta"...
> >
> > I don't think it means the a person was murdered, per se, but rather it
> was a term used when the death was sudden and unexpected. The cases that
> I've found referred to cases of: 1) died giving birth, 2) died of sudden
> sickness, and 3) drowning or a similar act that brought sudden death and the
> priest didn't arrive in time to take confession and

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Joseph de Reynoso y Valdes y Nicolasa Maria Moreno de Ortega

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Hola a todos:

En la informacion matrimonial de Joseph de Reynoso y Valdes con Nicolasa Maria Moreno de Ortega se menciona lo siguiente:

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Amigos,

No se si esta Nicolasa sea la misma que estan investigando, pero encontre la acta de matrimonio de ella con el Capitan Diego de Padilla (viudo de Leonor de Hermosillo). Este Diego tambien es conocido como Diego de la Mota y Padilla, hijo de Diego de la Mota en tuerto. Leonor de Hermosillo, es posiblemente la hija del Br. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo hijo de Miguel Gutierrez Rubio y de Leonor de Hermosillo. Tambien es posible que ella sea hermana del bachiller Lazaro. Lazaro, su mama Leonor y la segunda Leonor salen viviendo juntos en la misma estancia en el Padron de Jalos de 1650.

Saludos

Sergio Gutierrez

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

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Estimado Sergio:

Esta Nicolasa que mencionas era viuda de Francisco Rodríguez de Portugal consta su partida matrimonial que compartistes por lo tanto era hija de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega y Mariana Gutiérrez de Hermosillo. Como mencionas por segundas nupcias casó a Diego de la Mota y Padilla, hijo. Bautizaron por lo menos un hijo que localizé llamado Francisco Xavier Rodríguez de Portugal o Rodríguez Portugal como tanta veces era conocido. Fue bautizado el 1 de marzo de 1691 en Santa María de los Lagos.

Daniel

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Estimado José Humberto:

Leí tu mensaje con bastante interés; si podías enviarme el documento (información matrimonial) o decirme donde puedo encontrarlo le agradecería bastantemente.

Esta familia he reunido bastante datos genealógicos poco a poco se comprueba. Esta familia especialmente es una rompecabezas. A pesar que no tengo nada que comprueba la identidad de María de Valdés Ayllón que mencionas pienso que los datos que he reunido puede ayudarnos.

No hay duda que este sea Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla hijo del capitán Francisco de Reynoso y Mariana de Padilla y Dávila. Mientras sus hermanos utilizaron Reynoso y cuando casaron formaron Reynoso-Rentería; este caballero conservo Reynoso-Padilla para sus descendientes. Fue bautizado el 12 de febrero de 1638 en el Sagrario Metropolitano de Guadalajara.

Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla casó a María de Valdés ca. 1670 probable en Guadalajara o Cuquío. Establecieron su familia principalmente en Cuquío. Donde por lo menos bautizaron 3 hijos

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Estimado Daniel:

(redacto sin acentos porque sino luego no se entiende el texto)
Muchas gracias por responder y aclarar algunas dudas.

La informacion matrimonial de Joseph de Reynoso y Nicolasa M Moreno la trate de subir, pero no tuve suficiente espacio. Si gustas te las puedo enviar a algun correo electronico, una por una ya que son mas de 18 megas. O te puedo pasar la direccion donde las puedes consultar, estan en familysearch en informacion matrimonial para Lagos de Moreno. Son de la imagen 19 a la 28, hay una repetida.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Se menciona que Nicolasa Maria Moreno de Ortega (tambien mencionada en algun lado como Moreno de Alcala) es vecina del Puesto de la Ylgesia o simplemente Yglesia de la jurisdicción de Lagos, y Joseph de Reynoso y Valdes(que a veces se le menciona como Joseph de Reynoso Renteria y Padilla) es originario de Tacotan y vecino de la

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Solo como información adicional:

Joseph de Reynoso y Valdés y el Capitán Diego de Reynoso y Rentería eran primos hermanos, el primero era hijo de Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla-Dávila y el segundo, hijo de Francisco. Don Diego fue dueño de la Hacienda de Cañada de Negros que fue otorgada como dote por su suegro Joseph López de Lara y de Villegas.

Saludos cordiales,

Barrios in Tecolotlan, Jalisco

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Hello everyone I am stuck find information on my wife’s side of the family. Barrios is my wife’s last name.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Sáb, 2011-05-21 11:00 | Enlace permanente

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I was stuck just like you on an uncle of mine. It turned out that since I did have the date and location that I found that he was given another name at birth. His parents never bothered to change the records when they decided to call him something else. Check the parents names of the kids born on that date.
RA Ricci
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Hello everyone I am stuck find information on my wife’s side of the family. Barrios is my wife’s last name. Nothing more would please my father-in-law to know what day and where his father was born (he barely knew his father). My father-in-law thinks he was born in 1915. I have checked the newly uploaded Jalisco Church Records for Tecolotlan for 1915 and a few years before and after and I

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Significado de Sobrero

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Buenas noches, me pregunto si alguien sabe el significado de la palabra sobrero, al parecer es una ocupación o profesión, la he encontrado en un par de registros parroquiales de los año 1700's.

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Sobrero o Sobrero de la Siembra se refiere a los campesinos pobres que tomaban los granos caidos y mazorcas de mala calidad dejadas por otros agricultores, es una costumbre ancestral, dejar un poco de la cosecha para los animales o los pobres que irán en busca de un poco de granos para sobrevivir, aun hoy las mazorcas de maíz pequeñas son dejadas en la milpa para los pobres o para rastrojo de los animales. En la época colonial se debia dejar un poco más, casi siempre las esquinas de las parcelas no recuerdo el porcentaje del total pero creo que es una ley del Antiguo Testamento, una costubre judía retomada por los campesinos y siervos en Europa desde la baja Edad Media.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: omar.ruelas@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 21:40:11 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significado de Sobrero
>
> Buenas noches, me pregunto si alguien sabe el significado de la palabra sobrero, al parecer es una ocupación o

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I hope I understood Mr. Gomez correctly.  I remember my gr-grandmother Maria
Mendez talking abt how the first 3 rows of corn were for the poor to glean, that
was in Tamazula, Jalisco abt 1895 or so the custom was still in force.
Linda in Boulder City, Nv.

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From: Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 6:43:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significado de Sobrero

Sobrero o Sobrero de la Siembra se refiere a los campesinos pobres que tomaban
los granos caidos y mazorcas de mala calidad dejadas por otros agricultores, es
una costumbre ancestral, dejar un poco de la cosecha para los animales o los
pobres que irán en busca de un poco de granos para sobrevivir, aun hoy las
mazorcas de maíz pequeñas son dejadas en la milpa para los pobres o para
rastrojo de los animales. En la época colonial se debia dejar un poco más, casi
siempre las esquinas de las parcelas no recuerdo el porcentaje del total pero
creo

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How interesting! I remember my maternal grandparents of Encarnacion de Diaz,
also saying the same thing as late as the "50's.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga CA

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To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significado de Sobrero

I hope I understood Mr. Gomez correctly.  I remember my gr-grandmother Maria
Mendez talking abt how the first 3 rows of corn were for the poor to glean,
that was in Tamazula, Jalisco abt 1895 or so the custom was still in force.
Linda in Boulder City, Nv.

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From: Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 6:43:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significado de Sobrero

Sobrero o Sobrero de la Siembra se refiere a los campesinos pobres que
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Michoacan records are posted!

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Family Search has just posted records from Michoacan.

George Fulton

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Can someone point out where on FamilySearch are the Michoacan Records? I only see some under Guanajuato but those are old.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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follow this link to michoacan records

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

El 20/05/2011 14:51, mendezdelcamino@live.com escribió:
> Can someone point out where on FamilySearch are the Michoacan Records? I
> only see some under Guanajuato but those are old.

> Daniel Méndez Camino

Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla: New images posted at Family Search

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New records for the states of Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla were posted at Family Search today.

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George

I am very happy to hear Michoacan images were added. Could you tell me which
towns from Michoacan were included with Guanajuato. Thanks

Rafael Meraz

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Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 9:39:38 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla: New
images posted at Family Search

New records for the states of Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla were
posted at Family Search today.

Coverage varies for these states (not all towns are included), and not all
records for each posted town are included.

Michoacan is included with Guanajuato.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

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Thank you George:

Eventhough FamilySearch has not uploaded all the records for Michoacan or Guanajuato it
is step, at least it has begun. Guanjuato: Im glad places like Santa Fe de Guanajuato,
San Felipe, SIlao and Salamanca have uploaded decent records. Some very important
lines established themselves in these parts. I can't wait until Michoacan in the future.
Puebla de los Angeles (Zaragoza) is also a very important archive that we can now view online.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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Daniel

I was hoping for Romita, San Francisco del Rincon, Leon, and Silao. There's just a little from Silao ... I guess I'll just have wait a little longer!

In the meantime, I've been looking at the Aguascalientes government archives. Some of the wills are real interesting, and quite useful!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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George:

I also await San Francisco del Rincon, Leon and the rest of Silao.
Nuestra Senora de Guanajuato (the other parish in Guanajuato) is also
very important. This and Santa Fe are extremely important in studying
the Obispado de Michoacan. I will await the day when Valladolid
de Michoacan (Morelia) is posted. I saw the uploaded couple of
church documents.

Some of the families I enjoy studying are the Marquesado de San Juan
de Rayas, Marquesado de San Clemente, Condado de La Valenciana
important families from Guanajuato.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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Glad to see they are adding Guanajuato and Michoacan film. I was excited to see they started adding these major states. I kind of glanced through the films. I'm was hoping they had more of Silao. Hopefully they can add more film from there quickly. Adding Romita and Penjamo are om my wish list too. My mom's side is from there. As for Michoacan, couldn't seem to find Zapote de Parras. Maybe its under a different town? My Grandmother was born there, but went back to Guanajuato.

Jaime Gonzalez
San Francisco, CA

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Please use the research@nuestrosranchos.org list ONLY for topics that
pertain to the genealogy of Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes: PLEASE

Topics about genealogy involving other estados should be originated or
MOVED TO the general@nuestrosranchos.org list

Please everyone do your best to observe group policy on this subject.

thanks,

joseph

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THE TRUE OUTCOME OF THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION - FULL VERSION

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SORRY TO ALL OUR FRIENDS OF NUESTROS RANCHOS. I JUST DISCOVER THAT MY
PREVIOUS MESSAGE BY SOME TECHNICAL REASON WAS CUTED AFTER THE FIRST
PARAGRAPH, SO HERE IT GOES AGAIN THE FULL TEXT:

1.

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Salvador,

Thank you for your very well written explanation of how modern Mexico evolved, especially since I don't think English is your first language. Your efforts are much appreciated.

Americans like me whose father came to the US in 1913 at the age of 10 really have a poor understanding of Mexico.

I am going to edit what you wrote to include the exact dates that the various Mexican presidents served (that will force me to learn more Mexican history) and pass it around to others who need a clear and concise telling of the story of Mexico.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:07:00 -0500
> From: squirartetcn@gmail.com
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] THE TRUE OUTCOME OF THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION - FULL VERSION
>
> SORRY TO ALL OUR FRIENDS OF NUESTROS RANCHOS. I JUST DISCOVER THAT MY
> PREVIOUS MESSAGE BY SOME TECHNICAL REASON WAS CUTED AFTER THE FIRST
> PARAGRAPH, SO HERE IT GOES AGAIN THE FULL TEXT:
>
>
>
> 1. The

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lista

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ok estoy tratando de formar mi genealogia"Padilla", mi nombre es Pablo Padilla Munoz, naci en Aguascalientes, Ags en 1953,mi padre Pablo Padilla Correa(1908) en San miguel el Alto , Jalisco; mi madre

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Yo te puedo ayudar en tu linea de Ramírez, que es el apellido que me interesa.

1.- Bárbara Ramírez Enríquez.
2.- José Alejo Ramírez González y María del Rosario Enríquez Álvarez.
3.- José Manuel Silvestre Ramírez de Hermosillo y María Ignacia de San Exiquio González de Hermosillo.
4.- Sebastián Ramírez de Hermosillo y Francisca del Sacramento Gutiérrez de Laris.
5.- Nicolás Ramírez de Hermosillo y Rosa Margarita de Aceves.
6.- Diego Alonso Ramírez de Hermosillo y Ana María Felipa Fernández de Rueda. (Aquí compartimos ancestros).
7.- Nicolás Ramírez de Hermosillo y Francisca Muñoz de la Barba.
8.- Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y Paula de Torres.
9.- Juan González de Hermosillo y María Muñoz.

Ésta última pareja es tronco común de varias familias alteñas como los González de Hermosillo, Ramírez de Hermosillo, García de Hermosillo, Muñoz de Hermosillo, de Hermosillo, etc.

Espero ye haya podido ayudar en algo con estos datos, cualquier cosa seguimos en contacto.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis

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Nochistlan siglo XVII Archivos Parroquiales

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We just unpacked from storage our copy of:

"Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales."
Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias. This was privately printed in 2001, with more than 400 pages, and thousands of surnames in the index, and "data from Jalostitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, San Luis Potosi, Michoacan and more."

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Does anybody know if this book is still available anywhere?

Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales."

Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias.

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Gloria,
Thank you for checking for Corbera...
Since I joined NuestrosRanchos, I've been "plowing," through papers, some dating back to 1996 that reference Tino's ancestry. I came across a description/listing of the "capitulos," in the book that you mentioned by Vazquez y Frias. I found one that looked promising, and I would appreciate it if you could/would check it out. I've listed it below...

Genealogia de Nochistlan, by Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias
Capitulo 30 Descendencia de Lorenzo Mexia viudo de Ines de Estrada.

Many thanks!
Pat

Gloria wrote:
We just unpacked from storage our copy of:

"Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales."
Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias. This was privately printed in 2001, with more than 400 pages, and thousands of surnames in the index, and "data from Jalostitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Teocaltiche

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Gloria,

I have both books, Jose Luis' book is mostly Geneaology with a couple of indexes one for all the names and one for the chapters.

The other book, Nochistlan Zacatecas has much historical data with a multitude of Duran family trees and groups of families, some census data for 1879, data on the diocese of Guadalajara, a diagram of the original blueprint of the town of Nochistlan. A diagram of the forts and fortifications that existed in May of 1864 during the battle with the French. It has a list of the political leaders of Nochistlan from 1853-1885. It has land owners and deed holders for the year 1876 and the taxes they paid. It lists all the ranchos that belonged to the curate of Nochistlan in July of 1896. Also listed is a list of all the Presbiters from 1619 through 1693.

It also lists some history of El Teul, Apulco, Juchipila, Yahualica, Mexticacan, Teocaltiche, Jalpa, Tlaltenango, Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Tenayuca, Toyahua, Ichipalco and Aguascalientes.
It has an

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I'd appreciate it if you would check Moctezuma, Navarro, Gabay and Ruiz de Esparza. I've never found an exact birthdate for Petronila de Moctezuma, only the year 1550.

I'm often surprised at the new twists and turns I find on Familysearch. I've entered my ancestor Ana Diez de Equinoa before. But this time I left off the final "a." and came up with entirely different results. I thought Familysearch took into account minor spelling variations.

I see her name also spelled Ana Dias de Equino.

This leads me to believe that Equinoa might today be Aquino. Can any of you with greater expertise in Basque names tell me if this is correct?

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Ernie,

Have you had a chance to see Connie Dominguez' files in Nuestros Ranchos database, especially under Simon Ruiz de Esparza. She references all of the above in her genealogies.

Buena Suerte,
Alicia

I'd appreciate it if you would check Moctezuma, Navarro, Gabay and Ruiz de Esparza. I've never found an exact birthdate for Petronila de Moctezuma, only the year 1550.

I'm often surprised at the new twists and turns I find on Familysearch. I've entered my ancestor Ana Diez de Equinoa before. But this time I left off the final "a." and came up with entirely different results. I thought Familysearch took into account minor spelling variations.

I see her name also spelled Ana Dias de Equino.

This leads me to believe that Equinoa might today be Aquino. Can any of you with greater expertise in Basque names tell me if this is correct?

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Alicia, my book is an original i bought in Nochistlan but its not indexed. Enrique

Alicia Carrillo wrote: Gloria,

I have both books, Jose Luis' book is mostly Geneaology with a couple of indexes one for all the names and one for the chapters.

The other book, Nochistlan Zacatecas has much historical data with a multitude of Duran family trees and groups of families, some census data for 1879, data on the diocese of Guadalajara, a diagram of the original blueprint of the town of Nochistlan. A diagram of the forts and fortifications that existed in May of 1864 during the battle with the French. It has a list of the political leaders of Nochistlan from 1853-1885. It has land owners and deed holders for the year 1876 and the taxes they paid. It lists all the ranchos that belonged to the curate of Nochistlan in July of 1896. Also listed is a list of all the Presbiters from 1619 through 1693.

It also lists some history of El Teul, Apulco, Juchipila, Yahualica, Mexticacan, Teocaltiche

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Thanks Enrique,

Did you find any of your family listed within this book? I found some lateral families of mine but no direct descendants.
How long ago did you buy the book? Do you think it would still be available for sale?

Gracias,
Alicia

Alicia, my book is an original i bought in Nochistlan but its not indexed. Enrique

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Alicia, yes i did find some. I found Legaspi, Frias, Lomeli, Sandoval, Minero, Mejia, Juarez. Ive had the book for 4 years. Its possible that there maybe some books in Nochistlan. I will gladly send you some pics from Nochistlan I recently took. My brothers and I were just in Nochistlan for the "papaqui"s. If you like i did a powerpoint slide show documenting our trip.

Enrique Legaspi Frias

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Thanks Enrique,

Did you find any of your family listed within this book? I found some lateral families of mine but no direct descendants.
How long ago did you buy the book? Do you think it would still be available for sale?

Gracias,
Alicia

Alicia, my book is an original i bought in Nochistlan but its not indexed. Enrique

Comentario

Thanks Enrique,

I would love to see your powerpoint presentation. Too bad you can't make it to the group meeting in July. That would be a great complement to the book's presentation.

Now I'm going to ask a very stupid question but what is "papaqui's? While I was born just outside of Nochistlan, I lived in Mexico up until I was 2½ years of age so I would say my recollection is just about nil.

I have been to Nochistlan a total of 5 times, the first time in 1977, the second time to accompany my mother to her father's funeral in the 80's but the longest and most endearing trip was in September 2004 for las Fiestras Patronales de San Agustin and that was for 2 weeks when we spent it with my Olmos cousins who live in Tlachichila, one is a teacher and the other is a veterinarian. The Olmos are my mom's family and the Duranes are my dad's family and Carrillo is my husband's family. That is why I began doing family research, because aside from my father in-law and his children, we never

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http://www.esmas.com/noticierostelevisa/mexico/420243.html

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Thanks Enrique,

I would love to see your powerpoint presentation. Too bad you can't make it to the group meeting in July. That would be a great complement to the book's presentation.

Now I'm going to ask a very stupid question but what is "papaqui's? While I was born just outside of Nochistlan, I lived in Mexico up until I was 2½ years of age so I would say my recollection is just about nil.

I have been to Nochistlan a total of 5 times, the first time in 1977, the second time to accompany my mother to her father's funeral in the 80's but the longest and most endearing trip was in September 2004 for las Fiestras Patronales de San Agustin and that was for 2 weeks when we spent it with my Olmos cousins who live in Tlachichila, one is a teacher and the other is a veterinarian. The Olmos are my mom's family and the Duranes are my dad's family and Carrillo is my husband's family. That is why I began

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Ernie, there are 9 1/2 pages in Jose Luis Vazquez' Navarro-Moctezuma family genealogy, I'm sending you a scan of the first page. If it is clear, I can scan the remainder for you tomorrow. If it is not clear, I'll have to try a better scanner, since the remaining pages have print that is much smaller. Let me know if this first page is legible. Unfortunately there are no birth dates given for Petronila. She may be my ancestor also, though I'm missing a link or two. Your ancestor is called Maria Ana Diez de Eguinoa in the listing of her daughter Francisca da Gabay.

FamilySearch is sometimes a problem, especially when researching names with interchangeable c's, s's and z's, or a surname like URSUA. FS won't recognize the sounds as similar or interchangeable, eg Orsua, Urzua, Orçua, Horzua. They all require separate searches. We just try all the variations we can think of. Here's one that threw me - VIOA - I finally realized that it was ULLOA! Also occasionally some priests

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This is a general message to the group about attachments in emails. The
way the system is set up there are no attachments allowed in emails as
they will be stripped and the text only will arrive. So what to do????

well if it is something like a picture or scan then go to the Albums
area of the group and if there is an existing folder that your material
would fit in (probably Misc Records and Other) then click on it to open
it and then either create a new subfolder or click on one of the
existing folders. Once this is open then click on "add a photo" and
follow the directions.

That sounded like a lot but it only took two sentences to say (well one
was a run-on wasn't it?). If it really comes down to it and you've tried
and failed then email moderator@nuestrosranchos.org or me at
makas@nc.rr.com and I'll upload the files for you.

joseph

Gloria wrote:

>Ernie, there are 9 1/2 pages in Jose Luis Vazquez' Navarro-Moctezuma family genealogy, I'm sending you a scan of the

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Ernie......may I ask which Navarro you are referring to in your message?
Thanks! Josie

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan siglo XVII Archivos Parroquiales

Ernie, there are 9 1/2 pages in Jose Luis Vazquez' Navarro-Moctezuma family
genealogy, I'm sending you a scan of the first page. If it is clear, I can
scan the remainder for you tomorrow. If it is not clear, I'll have to try a
better scanner, since the remaining pages have print that is much smaller.
Let me know if this first page is legible. Unfortunately there are no birth
dates given for Petronila. She may be my ancestor also, though I'm missing
a link or two. Your ancestor is called Maria Ana Diez de Eguinoa in the
listing of her daughter Francisca da Gabay.

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Gloria,
Thanks to the patients and help from Joseph, Deena, and Alicia I am S L O W
L Y getting around. I finally found the new home for Ranchos and saw that
you had information for one of my names.
I am researching;Anselma Rodriguez who was married to Epifanio Ramirez.
They married mar.1878 Nochistlan,Zac,Mexico.
his parents were Rogelio Ramirez and Estanisla DURAN. Does your packet have
anything on them? I sure appreciate everyone being so helpful. I do have
some infor I can share if I knew what to do with it.
thank you
Hope

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Hope,

anytime you need help just email moderator@nuestrosranchos.org and one
of us will do our best to assist you.

Now as far as getting your genealogy onto the site tell me what form its in:

is it in a genealogy program like PAF or Family Tree Maker?

is it information that you have put on paper only?

is it written into an email or word file?

if you email me at makas@nc.rr.com I'll be glad to help you get your
folder in order and your information put into your folder.

email me at makas@nc.rr.com and I'll try to help,

joseph

beelieve wrote:

>Gloria,
> Thanks to the patients and help from Joseph, Deena, and Alicia I am S L O W
>L Y getting around. I finally found the new home for Ranchos and saw that
>you had information for one of my names.
> I am researching;Anselma Rodriguez who was married to Epifanio Ramirez.
>They married mar.1878 Nochistlan,Zac,Mexico.
>his parents were Rogelio Ramirez and Estanisla DURAN. Does your packet have
>anything on them? I sure appreciate

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I have just added my name to some of the existing film numbers for Momax, Jerez, Atolinga, and Tlaltenango which I have on long term.

Since I live within walking distance (not that I would walk it!!!) to the Family History Center I would be happy to make hard copies of any records members would find with "batch numbers", and send you the copy.

I have about 21 films for Tlaltenango, 9 for Momax, and 1 each for Jerez, and Atolinga.

I have 6 films of death records, and 3 baptisms without batch numbers for Tlaltenango. If I am able to find those batch numbers, then I will add these films to the list.

Currently, I am at a "brick wall" with my research so,
if I can be of assistance, please do not hesitate to ask.
Saludos, Helyn

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Santos, with viewing the films for Tlaltenango, do you recall seeing a reference to Iglesia de Santo Tomas Apostol de Momax? My father-in-law's birth record has the following information, but I've been unable to locate the film for this parish so that I can located birth records of his siblings.

Time frame: 1894
Rancho de Los Pintos...
En la Capilla de Momax, ayuda de Parrouquia de Tlaltenango.

Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,
Pat Silva Corbera

Santos Luna wrote:
I have just added my name to some of the existing film numbers for Momax, Jerez, Atolinga, and Tlaltenango which I have on long term.

Since I live within walking distance (not that I would walk it!!!) to the Family History Center I would be happy to make hard copies of any records members would find with "batch numbers", and send you the copy.

I have about 21 films for Tlaltenango, 9 for Momax, and 1 each for Jerez, and Atolinga

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Sorry, Helyn, it's no wonder I couldn't find the films that you referred to, I was looking for Santos Luna in Ranchos... Back to the drawing board... sorry for the error. Pat

Santos Luna wrote:
I have just added my name to some of the existing film numbers for Momax, Jerez, Atolinga, and Tlaltenango which I have on long term.

Since I live within walking distance (not that I would walk it!!!) to the Family History Center I would be happy to make hard copies of any records members would find with "batch numbers", and send you the copy.

I have about 21 films for Tlaltenango, 9 for Momax, and 1 each for Jerez, and Atolinga.

I have 6 films of death records, and 3 baptisms without batch numbers for Tlaltenango. If I am able to find those batch numbers, then I will add these films to the list.

Currently, I am at a "brick wall" with my research so,
if I can be of assistance, please do not hesitate to ask.
Saludos, Helyn

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Any questions on the films, do not hesitate to ask.
Saludos, Helyn

Patricia Corbera wrote:
Sorry, Helyn, it's no wonder I couldn't find the films that you referred to, I was looking for Santos Luna in Ranchos... Back to the drawing board... sorry for the error. Pat

Santos Luna wrote:
I have just added my name to some of the existing film numbers for Momax, Jerez, Atolinga, and Tlaltenango which I have on long term.

Since I live within walking distance (not that I would walk it!!!) to the Family History Center I would be happy to make hard copies of any records members would find with "batch numbers", and send you the copy.

I have about 21 films for Tlaltenango, 9 for Momax, and 1 each for Jerez, and Atolinga.

I have 6 films of death records, and 3 baptisms without batch numbers for Tlaltenango. If I am able to find those batch numbers, then I will add these films to the list.

Currently, I am at a "brick wall" with my research so,
if I can be of assistance, please do not

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Joseph,
Thank you for baring with me and my lack of computer skills.
I was sharing with Deena that I have a copy of a copy of a copy and on and
on of my ggmothers death cert. I dont know how to scan and copy ( I tried)
but if you have a fax and could use the info. I would love to fax it to you.
If not I will just write down all this info untill I learn more about
computers or for another fam. member to carry on at a later time . Thanks
again!
Hope

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Rafael,

Si se refiere al libro, Nochistlan Zacatecas, Su Parroquia, Los Duran y otras
familias antiguas. Un estudio historico e genealogico, escrito por el Ingeniero,
Jesus Duran R.

Ese libro esta fuera de imprenta desde hace muchos años. Quizas se puede ver en
una biblioteca por World Cat.

Alicia

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Rafael Jauregui alguien sabe donde podria comprar este libro tuve la oportunidad
de mirarlo esta mull interesante sobre todo para mi que soll un aficionado a la
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Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara & Family Search

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Luz Montejano's "Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" gives references to the films where she extracted the data in her book.

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It is amazing to see in familysearch.org the full Dispensas shown on the Sagrada Mitra book by Ma. de la Luz Montejano Hilton(MLMH), with the signatures some of our ancestors. Maybe we could make the task a little easier for all of us if every week or so we post to which images of FAMILYSEARCH correspond the SAGRADA MITRA records, since the latter seem to ordered acording to when do they show up on the film. So if you have a film with 1200 images, maybe you can figure out by these postings that the record you are lookng for is for examplee between images 700 and 900.
This is what I have found so far:
MLMH #10 corresponds to Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios 1635-1692 > Images 43-48 (FHL film 167971)
MLMH #32 corresponds to Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios 1635-1692 > Images 145-140 (FHL film 167971)
MLMH #62 corresponds to Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios 1681-1687 > Images 18-22 (FHL film 167972)

Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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George-

Is Luz Montejano's book available? Over a year ago I contacted Borderland Books and was informed that the book was not available, but hopefully soon a re-issuance would occur, and that I would be contacted. No word yet.

Paul Gomez
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Luz Montejano's "Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" gives references to the films where she extracted the data in her book. At least some (perhaps all?) of these references are to the LSD Family History Library microfilm numbers.

At least some of the films are now posted with the Guadalajara, Jalisco records. I've looked up a few, and they are in the Guadalajara, Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios group of films.

If you have the microfilm reference from Luz

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Paul

I have looked for it periodically, but it is not available. I use the copy at the UC Berkeley/Bancroft Library, which is about 35 miles from where I live.

It would be wonderful if the book could be reprinted; I'm sure it would sell well. From the library citation it looks like it was published privately by the author. Perhaps if a Nuestros Ranchos member knows the author, he or she could make the request!

There are a few libraries that have it; mostly university libraries. To find libraries, follow the link

http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_all&q=sagrada+mitra+de+g…

From your Nuestros Rancho's profile, your two closest libraries are the University of California, Riverside (UCR), and the Los Angeles Public Library. At UCR you may need to be a UC alumni (or purchase a library card, if possible). At the LA Public Library I'm sure it is a non-circulating reference.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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You may try to contact Luz Montejano Hilton through Facebook sending her a message or posting in her genealogy wall. Her last post is from this month. Just go to your Facebook account and search for "Genealogia para todos".
http://www.facebook.com/#!/genealogiaparatodos

She also has a webpage with a link for e-mailing her:
http://www.paginasprodigy.com/luzmontejano/

Good luck!

Victoriano Navarro

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