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Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Yo vi muchos Guzman en los registros de Mezquital del oro entre 1766 y 1809 posteriormente mandaron los archivos por El teul pero tambien yo perdi el rastro ya que no encuentrio los microfilms en linea

Hola Maria Cortez y a todos:
ESTE FIN DE SEMANA PASADO ME CONTACTE CON UN FAMILIAR LEJANO HASTA GUADALAJARA JALISCO .Y ME HIZO UNA CORRECCION
CON EL APELLIDO PATERNO DE "ESTEFANA" HERA "RODRIGUEZ" Y NO MARIN COMO YO TENIA ENTENDIDO.ASI LA SITUACION CAMBIA PUES LA INFORMACION AHORA SERA ,MATRIMONIO DE "JUAN GUZMAN CON ESTEFANA RODRIGUEZ"QUE HERAN MIS BISABUELOS MATERNOS.
GRACIAS A TODOS POR SU TOLERANCIA.
JOSE LUIS FELIX> > Hola a todos:> > Me da mucho gusto de ser miembro de este grupo, desde hace un poco mas de 3> > meses ,y quiero hacer publico mi agradecimiento a Hector Felix Aizorbe ,por> > la ayuda baliosisima que me ha brindado para formar mi arbol geneologico.> > Estoy detenido en algunos datos ,he mandado pedir algunos microfilms en un> > Centro Familiar Historico de aqui en el Condado de Riverside California> > ,pero estan en back order ,eso es lo que me dicen ,ya hace casi 2 meses .En> > unos de los datos que estoy detenido son ,sobre los abuelos maternos por> > parte de mi

Rio Chico was both an hacienda and rancho in Teocaltiche...

See Cubas' Diccionario biografico...

http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

Hi Rolando,

I believe Rio Chico was a rancho near Teocaltiche. I have a few lines in my
tree that are from Rio Chico, Teocaltiche, specifically the Acosta Ornelas
and Gonzalez Chavez families.

A good resource about Teocaltiche is Nicolas de Anda Sanchez book "Historia
de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva Galicia-Zona de Los Altos
de Jalisco".

I saw a post online that mentions that this book lists Rio Chico as a
rancho. I'd like to confirm this as I looked for the location Rio Chico
myself.

Juan

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Rolando Romo wrote:

> I have a grandfather - Andres "Chito" Romo that was from Teocaltiche,
> Jalisco and that he was born in Rio Chico. Does anyone know if this
>
> is or was a rancho or a colonia???

Hola primo, yo no desciendo de ninguna de las ramas que mencionas, pero por ser de interés para la genealogía de los alteños hace algún tiempo revisando una dispensa matrimonial, también encontré que un hermano de Catalina de los Ángeles es un hombre llamado Juan Alvarado, el cual tuvo por hija a Magdalena Alvarado mujer de Rafael Ornelas. Espero te sirva de algo esta información.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

Hi Leticia,

I have Lopez from a rancho called Atotonilco that is close to Hujucar. Which
is not that far from a rancho called Vivoras that is close to Tepetongo,
Zacatecas. From Vivoras I have Varela

What are the names of Anacleto Lopez' parents and grandparents?

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of lettyinmay@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:20 PM
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haciendas de Zacatecas/Jalisco
>
> I've been visiting ex-haciendas in Zac, their is one that is borderline
> Zac/Jal it's name is "el terrero" it once belonged to el genereral
> Anacleto Lopez, who also lived in hacienda de "Viboras". I been trying
> to find documentation or any type of history on this hacinda "el Terrero"
> does anyone know where I

I have been trying to learn more about Hacienda del Fuerte which is supposed to be in ruins near El Fuerte or Rio Grande, Zacatecas, Mexico where my paternal family lived. I have tried googling using various different key words but not found much about it beyond a suggestion that it might also be undergoing preservation renovations. Has anybody heard of it or know where I might learn more about Hacienda del Fuerte? My paternal gg grandparents were married there in the hacienda chapel in 1874.

Thanks,
Juli D. Quinteros de Hernandez
Dallas, Texas

Antonio

Hacienda De Las Viboras is located in Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico. I saw the archives of Xerez for the 1600's years.

El Terrero? In the Huejuquilla area where we are from, don't recall any ranchos or haciendas there. But there is a terrain that is referred to "El Terrero" Been there several times. Just some Adobe homes in a terrain about 20 minutes away from Huejuquilla.

Lety, While I did not find information regarding Hacienda el Terrero, I did find this article regarding the Hacienda Troncoso and other Haciendas and it also mentions Hacienda de las Viboras. Here's the link, I hope you can read Spanish because it's actually quite interesting. It speaks of the reconstruction of several Haciendas, the first one to be re-constructed to become a museum will be "El Terrero"
http://www.informador.com.mx/cultura/2010/230579/6/ex-haciendas-en-zaca…

Alicia,

San Jose, Ca

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From: "lettyinmay@aol.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haciendas de Zacatecas/Jalisco

I've been visiting ex-haciendas in Zac, their is one that is borderline Zac/Jal it's name is "el terrero" it once belonged to el genereral Anacleto Lopez, who also lived in hacienda de "Viboras".  I been trying to find documentation or any type of history on this

Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995 Ojuelos San
José

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…

Good luck
Armando

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:32 AM, wrote:

> Hello
> I am having trouble finding the marriage records for Senor San Jose en
> Ojuelos online in FamilySearch - does anyone know if they are even there?
>
> There are records for Immaculada Concepcion, but that's a different
> Parroquia, and when I checked anyway for the marriage of Doroteo Salas and
> Juana Martinez, it was not there.
>
> I am trying to find out if the parents of Doroteo Salas were Narciso Salas
> and Estafana Lopez. I found a record of baptism for a Jesus Doroteo Salas
> Lopez, 1833, Aguascalientes, with these names in Family Search Index.
> Doroteo Salas who married Juana Martinez named one of his daughters
> Estafania.He lived in Ojuelos but in 1909 moved to San Antonio Texas with
> his wife

Disculpas, en mi comunicación de ha unos minutos, me referí a Angela como
esposa de Francisco de Figueroa, y quise decir Ana Temiño de Velasco.
Gracias.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Mario
Enviado el: Sábado, 12 de Mayo de 2012 07:22 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Segundo esposo de Ana Temiño Velasco

Hola primos, hace unos dias lei en una liga de Facebook parte de la
revista "Nuestras Raices" que originalmente publica el gobierno
municipal de Lagos de Moreno en su numero de agosto 2011, es un articulo
donde describe el proceso inquicitorial contra el padre Pedro Nuñez,
sacerdote que fue de Santa Maria de los lagos, este documento no solo
describe el proceso del padre Muños so no que tambien aporta datos
importantes para los aficionados a la genealogia, un dato que me
inquieto fue el segundo esposo de Ana Temiño de Velasco, en

Hola Mario,

Fue Francisco de Figueroa. El notable investigador y genealogista Francisco
Javier de Castaños descubrió el documento que lo prueba de manera
contundente y me proporcionó el dato de la fuente y obtuve una copia. Por
otra parte, el documento de la Bancroft, que trata de las tres Pacho Temiño
de Bañuelos, hijas del conquistador Pedro Pacho y Angela Temiño de Bañuelos,
aparecen como hijas y no hijastras de Francisco de Figueroa. Pero eso
confirma el vinculo de éste con la hermana de uno de los fundadores de
Zacatecas.

Saludos

Guillermo Tovar de Teresa

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Mario
Enviado el: Sábado, 12 de Mayo de 2012 07:22 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Segundo esposo de Ana Temiño Velasco

Hola primos, hace unos dias lei en una liga de Facebook parte de la
revista "Nuestras Raices" que originalmente publica el

Luis Arturo Huerta Rodrìguez

Hi!

With the shame, I travel to nochistlán about 10 times by year, and don't know if there is a good library. There is the "biblioteca municipal" at "la presidencia", but the books are for consulting, not for sale. And I remember have seen a magazine store in "el mercado", that was 2 or 3 years ago.

The only one book I have read about Nochistlán's history is "Nochistlán de Zacatecas" of Clotilde Evelia Quirarte an exemplar mochistlense woman and a very good book.

I get this book at "el parian" in a wedding shop almost at the corner southwest of this place.

I am half nochistlense, but I am misinformed. I hope you can find better help.

Don't forget to taste a good "plato de birria" some "gorditas con papas, sopes, pozole" and an icecream sitting at "el jardín". There are "carnitas" and "pollos asados" but don't know how nochistlenses are they.

P.D. Almost forgot "las micheladas"

P.D.2 I think the church you said is "el templo de San José"

Abram,

There is a wonderful bookstore in Nochistlan but unfortunately I can't remember the name but all she has to do is ask anyone in town and they will direct her to the book store. They don't have lending libraries but they do have a bookstore.

Alicia

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From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:18 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Nochistlan

Hi fellow members,

My mom is going on a trip to her hometown Nochistlan.And i was wondering if anyone knows the type of books there are in the library behind some church i completely forgot the name of the church.Or is there any other library in Nochistlan where I can get books like on the history or ancient families of Nochistlan?I would appreciate it alot if some one replied.

Hi Pauline,

Cirilo is my great grandfather. I send you a link to my tree, I think it will help.

http://momax.tribalpages.com

Saludos,
Victor Lopez

Using the New.familysearch.org I gathered this information (be careful it is
subject to error):

Jose Telesforo Miramontes Sandobal (1800-)

Marriage: 11 February 1818
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico Edit
Add a marriage event

Anna De Haro (1809-)

Children:

Maria Francisca Del Refuguio Miramontes Aro (1819-)

Maria Daria De La Trinidad Miramontes Aro (1826-)

Refugio Miramontes De Aro (1834-)

Antonio Miramontes (-)

If the above is correct then it also lists parents and grandparents of
Telesforo and Anna

Joseph

Ps: I'm pretty sure the general public can still sign up but I may be wrong.
Try setting up a new account to use the New Family Search here:
https://new.familysearch.org/en/action/unsec/welcome

Pps: if in your research you find that your Miramontes connect to the Rancho
- Cuculiten or Coculiten, Zacatecas - let me know as we might be cousins.

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Joseph Puentes

Hello Edward Luna and Nuestro Ranchos members. 

Don't know if any of you have heard about the movie “For Greater Glory” due to be released in theaters June 1, 2012

"For Greater Glory– formerly called “Cristiada” – charts the history
of Mexico’s Cristero War that was sparked by anti-clerical legislation
being passed by the Mexican President Elías Calles in 1926. Those laws
banned religious orders, deprived the Church of property rights and
denied priests civil liberties, including the right to trial by jury and the right to vote.
 
The persecution became so fierce that some
Catholics began to forcibly resist, fighting under the slogan and banner
of “Cristo Rey” (Christ the King).

Read more: http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/US.php?id=5117#ixzz1uIytv2jA

Regards,
Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes

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From: "edwardarceluna@yahoo.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guerra Cristera y de

Edward,

Through Amazon you can get it in a day or two. Check out this link.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-key…

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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From: "edwardarceluna@yahoo.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guerra Cristera y de la Revolucion Mexicana

Saludos a todos
Mi nombre es Edward Luna
Estoy buscando un buen libro de la Guerra Cristera y de la Revolucion Mexicana
en espanol e ingles.
Por favor si alguien sabe de estos libros, nombre y donde los puedo conseguir. Estoy en California,usa.

I am looking for a good book about the Cristeros War and Mexican Revulucion.

Gracias

Hi,

Here's a link to a webpage, where you'll probably find(pin-point) most little towns (ranchitos y pequenas localidades) of Zacatecas & other States of Mexico. This is where I've been pin-pointing most of the little "Ranchitos" where some of my ancestors were borned. Hope it helps.

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/zacatecas/

Roberto Hdez

Estimada Verónica,

Si mal no recuerdo, todos los Arias Maldonado de esa zona son parientes. Creo que tengo a lo menos unas 3 lines de los Arias Maldonado de Jalisco y una de Guanajuato. Queria saber si los Arias Maldonado de la Nueva Galicia y los del Obispado de Michoacan son los mismos. He visto algunos en el siglo XVII con el apellido Arias de Guzman y Maldonado o Arias Maldonado y Guzman o Manrique de Guzman, mas de no sé si los orígenes de esta familia.

Saludos,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
São Paulo, Brasil

Denise Fastrup

Regarding Petronila Moctezuma,I have seen 1550 suggested as a year of birth. Where does this come from?

Elsewhere on the internet I have seen reference to a letter from Diego Sotelo (husband of Leonor Valderrama Moctezuma) to the king of Spain, regarding the inheritance of his children from their mother, in which he names Fernando, Cristofer, and Petronila. Anyone have any leads on this letter???
This is where I saw the information (genealogia de mexico, from jan 2006):

http://groups.google.com/group/genealogia-mexico/browse_thread/thread/7…

Donald Chipman, author of Moctezuma's Children, listes Fernando, Cristofer, and Ana, who became a nun (therefore I dont think she also went by the name Petronila.) Chipman also relates that Leonor's encomienda - at least the share that

Hola a todos:

Aúnque han puesto la transcripción parcial de la dispensa de Bartolomé
Rodríguez Baxo y Tomasa Rosa de Ulloa que se encuentra en "Genealogia de
Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia" he hecho una transcripción
incompleta de las primeras siete páginas. Las ultimas dos contienen la
declaración de Mateo González de Rubalcava. Esta bien si alguien quiere
editar lo que no pude transcribir y terminar lo que faltó. Se encuentra la
transcripción en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/20566

Hello everyone,

Even though a partial extraction had been posted from "Genealogia de
Nochistlan Antiguio Reino de la Nueva Galicia ..." for the dispensa of
Bartolomé Rodríguez Baxo y Tomasa Rosa de Ulloa I have done an incomplete
one of my own of the first seven pages. If anyone wants to edit what I have
and finish what's missing that would great. The transcription is at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/20566

Saludos
Armando

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, wrote:

>

Thank you Claudia, Enrique & Jaime for your dedication in helping the families of Nuestros Ranchos! The connection to our ancestors, Martin Navarro and Petronilla de Moctezume, in this dispensation makes it such a treasure to so very many researchers. However, I find some of this document difficult to understand. I know this is a lot to ask (since there are several pages), but would anyone be willing to translate it into English?

With great appreciation for this group!
Judith Marentes
Plano, Texas

Igualmente me uno al agradecimiento.
Aqui el enlace a la pagina donde se menciona dicha pareja

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-19648-67?cc=1874591&wc…

Miguel Beltran

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Both the Church and civil records for Arandas, Jalisco are online at Family Search.

This link will take you to the records for Mexico

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=MEXICO

From this point you can select either the Church or civil records, then the type of record and year of interest.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hi Elysia!

About Guadalajara!

The places they told you are great, if you can stay at "El centro histórico" you can walk all of it.

It has a few of streets for tourism and walking called "La palza tapatía" between catedral and "El instituto cultural Cabañas", there is too "El mercado de San Juan De Dios" with lots of food and "artesanías" there are not problems by the day. By the night are some streets litle insecure, but you will know it before you in in they. Is not too bad, just is better to avoid the risk.

A good place to hear mariachis is "el parian" at Tlaquepaque, it is about 15 minutes by car from the center of Guadalajara. There are artesanías too.

Another place for artesanías is "El tianguis de Tonalá" The trafic is terrific, but if you have time, it worth it.

Zapopan has "La basilica" if you want to visit "La generala" (La virgen de Zapopan)

Most of the recent insecure problems in Guadalajara are with "los cárteles" between they selfs. Practically you don't notice it

Hi Elysia,
I just visited the beautiful city of Guadalajara last month and stayed at the Hotel de Mendoza at the recommendation of Mickey, another NR member. The hotel was perfectly located in the heart of the historic district and across the street from El Teatro Delgollado, where my friend and I attended a marvelous symphonic concert. Directly across from the Teatro is a large plaza which has all kinds of things going on all the time. Surrounding the plaza are various municipal buildings with paintings,murals, and interesting historic displays, & the Regional Museum. At the end of the plaza is the gorgeous Cathedral. And across from the cathedral, and also to the left of it, are two plazas which have live music and are great places to people watch.
A must see is the Instituto Cultural Cabanas, located at the end of the street (a pleasant walk about 1/4 mile) which is to the right of the Teatro, as you face it. This is a world heritage site which has probably the greatest, most

Elysia..Happy to hear that your going to Juchipila...check out Amoxochitl,Juchipila,..this is where most of your great,great, grandma, Jacinta Luna's family is from...Saludos, Raul Cristerna Luna

--- On Thu, 4/26/12, elysiarodriguez@hotmail.com wrote:

From: elysiarodriguez@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I'm going to be visiting the region and need advice :)
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 3:44 PM

Hello!

I will be visiting Juchipila, Moyahua, ixtlahucan del rio, and Guadalajara in June.

I would appreciate any suggestions of things to do and see, or tips on traveling.
Warnings, ideas, advice etc. are welcome :)

my profile is in the membership files. I am so excited to see where my grandparents are from (Juchipila and Moyahua)as well as my other ancestors!

Elysia Rodriguez (Rodriguez, Esparza, Placencia, etc etc.)
elysiarodriguez@hotmail.com