Correct me if im wrong.Francisco De Villalovos married Maria Vasquez Retamosa.Parents of Maria are Gaspar Macias-Valadez mother Mariana Torres.Parents of Gaspar are Nicolas Macias Valadez mother Leon
Hello-
Hi-
Was reading about the book below and it looks like it may have some kind of list of the founding families. Can anyone get access to this book? It might be out of print.
http://books.google.com/books?id=hqdoAAAAMAAJ&dq=Alfredo+Moreno+Gonzale…
Se me olvidaba decir lo siguiente:
Juan de la Torre, era natural de la Villa de Palma, en Córdoba, España, hijo de Rodrigo Alonso y Francisca de la Torre, pasó a la Nueva España aprox. en 1532, junto con dos hermanas que fueron casadas, Leonor de la Torre y otra que no se el nombre.
Casó con Polonia de Gamboa, con quien tuvo por hijos a Alonso de la Torre, María de la Torre mujer de Fernando Zarfate, y Hernando de Gamboa.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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> From: ferraristeph@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:17:29 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Polonia Torres Y Nicolas Ramirez -15th century
>
> Hello-
>
> I have beenr researching these ancestors and know that many of us from Aguascalientes come from them. It seems that no one has any info on them besides an IGI File (posted below). Does anyone have this file in their records? I just wanted to ask before I ordered it. Also I think that there may be some possibility
Yo tengo noticia de un hijo de Juan de la Torre y Polonia Gamboa, llamado Alonso de la Torre. ´
También me gustaría saber quienes son los padres de Nicolás Ramírez y Polonia de Torres, pues también son mis ancestros y de mucho mas personas de los Altos de Jalisco.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Feliz aniversario Messenger!
www.aniversariomessenger.com.mx
Hola, No hablo español que bien lo siento tan si soy confuso. Aquí está un acoplamiento a un libro con la información sobre Polonia Gamboa, su marido, y niños, pero no mencionan Polonia Torres. Tengo una sensación que están conectados pero que no pueden traducir estas escrituras. También, he estado intentando encontrar que una lista de familias de fundación de Lagos De Moreno b/c Polonia Torres es de ellas.
http://books.google.com/books?id=AdIs_kXt8zcC&pg=PA160&dq=polonia+gambo…
Hi Steph:
The original founders of Lagos were families from Teocaltiche. You might
want to look in that area also.
Hola Stephanie: Los fundadores de Lagos fueron familias de Teocaltiche,
considera dirigir tu busqueda hacia esa area tambien.
John Gonzalez
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To:
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Polonia Torres Y Nicolas Ramirez -15th century
>
>
> Hola, No hablo español que bien lo siento tan si soy confuso. Aquí está un
> acoplamiento a un libro con la información sobre Polonia Gamboa, su
> marido, y niños, pero no mencionan Polonia Torres. Tengo una sensación que
> están conectados pero que no pueden traducir estas escrituras. También, he
> estado intentando encontrar que una lista de familias de fundación de
> Lagos De Moreno b/c Polonia Torres es de ellas.
Hello Stephanie,
I don't know who the parents of Nicolás Ramírez or Polonia de Torres were,
but have some other information about this family that may be of interest to
you. Nicolás Ramírez was the owner of "Hacienda de las Peñuelas" and one of
the founders of Aguascalientes in 1575. His name is in founder's square in
the historical district of Aguascalientes. Both Nicolás and Polonia were
originally from Santa María de los Lagos, Jalisco, but lived in
Aguascalientes.
Bill Figueroa
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Polonia Torres Y Nicolas
Ramirez -15thcentury
> Hi Steph:
>
> The original founders of Lagos were families from Teocaltiche. You might
> want to look in that area also.
>
> Hola Stephanie: Los fundadores de Lagos fueron familias de Teocaltiche,
> considera dirigir tu busqueda hacia esa area tambien.
>
> John Gonzalez
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ---
Hi Bill, good to hear from you :)
Thanks for the info on Nicolas because it confirms what I have. Do you think there are any papers from the Hacienda de las Peñuelas which would list his wife and her parents or thier marriage? Any leads for that would be great. Also,as I told, John Gonzalez, I have looked in the Chancerry de Vallodolid with not luck.
thanks again for your time,
Stephanie,
In his book "Aguascalientes y su región de influencia hasta 1810 - Sociedad y Política" historian José Antonio Gutiérrez Gutiérrez mentions that before the founding of Aguascalientes in 1575, Nicolás Ramírez, Cristobal de Mata, Francisco Gómez and Menzo López had been granted some land, which I suppose is where "Hacienda de las Peñuelas" is located. The earliest church records of Aguascalientes start in the early 1600s, so none of the baptismal records of the children of Nicolás Ramírez and Polonia de Torres are in the books. We know they had at least nine children, all born in Aguascalientes. Some of them used the surname Tavera, so there is one clue about their grandparents' surname. As you probably know, using the surname of a grandparent was not uncommon in those days. There are marriage records from Aguascalientes where there is information about some of their children. For example the marriage of their daughter María de Tavera to Phelipe Macías Valadez on 01 July
I do not know how reliable this list is but I found a list of some of the founding families on the internet from the "Santa Maria De Los Lagos" by Alfredo Moreno Gonzalez: I do not see any TORRES but there is a TAVERA DE LA VEGA so maybe that is Polonia Torre's relative.
http://mx.geocities.com/genealogiademexico/primeros/0334santa.html
SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS 1563
La elecci�n del primer ayuntamiento fue el 25 de julio de 1573
Alfredo Moreno Gonz�lez, Santa Mar�a de los Lagos, 1999, p. 58-59.
Primeros pobladores:
GRANIZO, Pedro integrante del primer ayuntamiento
TORRES VALD�S, Juan de integrante del primer ayuntamiento
MACIAS VALADEZ, Alonso integrante del primer ayuntamiento
HERN�NDEZ, Melchor
PALACIOS BOH�RQUEZ, Francisco de
G�MEZ DE PORTUGAL, Juan capit�n
LOPEZ, Catalina
Congratulations Stephanie!!! You found the founding families of Santa Maria
de Los Lagos. I hope you'll be able to find some leads here and continue
with your research. If anybody within our group can help you is Bill
Figueroa, I consider him "our" expert when it comes to Aguascalientes...
John Gonzalez
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Polonia Torres Y Nicolas Ramirez -15thcentury
>I do not know how reliable this list is but I found a list of some of the
>founding families on the internet from the "Santa Maria De Los Lagos" by
>Alfredo Moreno Gonzalez: I do not see any TORRES but there is a TAVERA DE
>LA VEGA so maybe that is Polonia Torre's relative...
Hi Bill and Stephanie in my records I have Maria the one who married Felipe de Macias y Valades, as
Maria Ramirez de Tavera y Velasco o Maria Tavera y Velasco? How does the Velasco play in this? I have a suspicion
one of her paternal grandmother was Velasco, since she didnt use Torre, her mothers surname, while her other sisiters took
on there mothers surname? Tavera can also be Portuguese Tavira. But Castilianised would be Tavera, Tavira is a portuguese town near Sevilla. I think we also have to look at how the surnames were distributed in this family.
Usually Torres and de la Torre are the same
Apolonia Torres
Francisca Torres
Antonio Ramirez de Tavera
Maria Ramirez de Tavera or Maria Tavera y Velasco
Paula Torres
nicolas Ramirez de Tavera
Agueda Torres.
Out of all the girls Maria took her paternal name. Usually for importance or after a grandmother. We need to keep researching, but what since Antonio took Ramirez, Nicolas' parents could be a Antonio Ramirez de
Hola Bill ,I went to www.familysearch.org and looked up Felipe Macias Valadez
and Maria Tavera . They have Nicolas Macias Valadez and Leonor Retamosa as Parents of felipe. I know yours is right because of a marriage document. How or why does familysearch differ so much yet similar ?
thanks for your time
Ronnie
> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:50:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Polonia Torres Y Nicolas Ramirez -15thcentury
>
> Stephanie,
>
> In his book "Aguascalientes y su región de influencia hasta 1810 - Sociedad y Política" historian José Antonio Gutiérrez Gutiérrez mentions that before the founding of Aguascalientes in 1575, Nicolás Ramírez, Cristobal de Mata, Francisco Gómez and Menzo López had been granted some land, which I suppose is where "Hacienda de las Peñuelas" is located. The earliest church records of Aguascalientes start in the early 1600s, so none of the baptismal records of the children of
Hey Ronnie,
The marriage record of Phelipe Macías Valadez and María de Tavera clearly
states that the parents of Phelipe were Alonso Macías Valadez and María de
Retamosa. I cannot access the record online because the Family Search Pilot
site is down for maintenance, but here is what I extracted from microfilm
about this couple (LDS Film 0299421 Aguascalientes Marriages 1601-1662) :
"El 1 de julio de 1618 contrajo matrimonio Phelipe Macías Valadés, hijo de
Alonso Macías Valadés y de María de Retamosa, con María de Tavera, hija de
Nicolás Ramírez y de Polonia de Torres, vecinos de Aguascalientes. Testigos
Alonso Macías y Francisco Macías. Veláronse el 3 de octubre de 1618.
Fueron padrinos María de Torres y Antonio Tavera, hermanos de la pretensa."
The submitter, a member of the LDS Church whose name does not appear in the
IGI record (F867345 Sheet 024), changed the parent's names to Nicolás Macías
Valadez and Leonor de Retamosa, giving no indication of what source or
Hi Bill and Ronnie, I have the same as Bill, Felipe is clearly son of Alonso and Maria. I
think the person did not know two Alonso existed in this family Alonso I "el tio" and Alonso II el sobrino. The last one marrying Maria de Velasco, I have her name like that but clearly used Ramirez de Tavera or just Tavera. I think the testigos were Alonso' cousins, Alonso and Francisco.
Im confused, Maria de Torres and Maria Tavera are different? Im sure the person was confused about the two Alonso being the same one. Ill keep looking, I do have a source, Alonso and Nicolas were brothers. -Daniel Camino
IGI Individual Record
FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
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ALONSO MACIAS VALADEZ
Pedigree
Male
Family
Event(s):
Birth:
About 1595
Christening:
Death:
27 JAN 1645
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
NICOLAS MACIAS VALADEZ
Family
Mother:
LEONOR RETAMOSA
Daniel,
The marriage record of Phelipe Macías Valadez and María de Tavera reads
"Fueron padrinos María de Torres y Antonio Tavera, hermanos de la pretensa."
I believe it refers to Mariana de Torres and Antonio Tavera, younger brother
and sister of María de Tavera. The witnesses at the wedding ceremony were
Alonso Macías and Francisco Macías, both Phelipe's brothers.
Bill Figueroa
Bill,
Francisco De Villalovos married Maria Vasquez De Retamosa.Parent of Maria are Gaspar Masias Valadez Vasquez and Maria De Torres.Parent of Gaspas are Nicolas Masias Valadez and mother Eleanor De Retamosa.Parent of Maria De Torres are Polonia Torres and Nicolas Ramirez De Tavera.Parent of Nicolas Macias are Blas Macias Aceves and Catalina Ramirez
Abram
H- John-
I have looked at the Historia de Teocaltiche but there is no specefic list of the families who found it. I then looked at the Chancerry de Vallodolid to see if there is a list of families under the founder Hernando Martel and still nothing. This is why I looked in Colima Mexico and found the Polonia Gamboa married to Juan de La torre. If I have missed something that you know of in the resources above, please let me know. Also , do you have any contact info for the Cronista of Lagos de Moreon or Teocaltiche? Hope your research is going well.
Thanks!
Hi Steph:
The idea is that if you are researching a family from Lagos and come to a
brick wall, try researching the same family name, but in Teocaltiche. I
don't know if there is a list of the families, who left to settle in Lagos,
but you could look for the earliest church records for Lagos.
Below you mentioned that : "I have looked at the history of Teocaltiche but
there is no specific list of the families who found it"
You are not looking for the families who founded Teocaltiche, you want the
families FROM Teocaltiche who founded Lagos.
John Gonzalez
> H- John-
>
> I have looked at the Historia de Teocaltiche but there is no specefic list
> of the families who found it...
I found a website long time ago about the history of Nueva Galicia, I think it was a university or something and there was a section about the foundation of Lagos and the many families that arrived in the late 1500s from teocaltiche. Ill try to look for it, -Daniel
_________________________________________________________________
Hola Every one, I was wondering if Alonso Macias Valadez and Maria de Retamosa the same as Nicolas Macias Valadez and Leonor Retamosa who could be the parents of Pedro ,Alonso,Gaspar,Felipe,Mateo
Ronnie:
This is what Mariano Gonzalez Leal said in "Retoños de España ...". According to his hypothesis Alonso / Nicolas and Leonor / Maria are the same people mentioned with indistinct names on "Dispensas" that other researchers in the past consulted (Jaime Holcombe, Davila Garibi). However, in the same chapter (Valadez Macias) there are at least two or three errors.
_____
Ronnie:
Es lo que Mariano Gonzalez Leal dice en "Retoños de España ...". Segun su hipotesis Alonso/Nicolas y Leonor/Maria son las mismas personas mencionadas con indistintos nombres en "dispensas" que otros investigadores en el pasado consultado (Jaime Holcombe, Davila Garibi). Sin embargo en el mismo capitulo (Macias Valadez) hay al menos dos o tres errores.
Miguel Beltran
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Sólo tú podrás ver tanto el mensaje como su remitente y lo puedes borrar en cualquier momento. Puedes responder a través del chat de Badoo.
Hello Esther,
If you already have a username and password just logon and hover over the
menu where it says My Account and a drop down menu will show up with the
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What microfilms and other records do I need to research to find more information about the families that traveled to New Mexico from Zacatecas around 1598?
Hi Stanley:
The Oñate expedition sounds familiar to me because many of my ancestors took part or were related to it.
Firstly, Juan de Oñate is my far uncle because his father Cristóbal de Oñate was the brother of my ancestor María Pérez de Oñate who was married to Rodrigo Díaz de Zaldívar. Also Juan de Oñate's mother is my ancestor too but I descend from her first marriage to Ruy Díaz de Mendoza y Arellano del Río of a very illustrious family, then she married to Cristóbal de Oñate.
Another of my ancestors, Juan Guerra de Ressa, although he didn't took part in the expediton he was the main economic financier of it.
Two other ancestors where actively in the expediton, their names where Alonso de Sosa Albornoz and Vicente de Zaldívar. Also an uncle, Juan de Velasco y Zúñiga son of my ancestors Alonso de Velasco and Juana Bernal de Zúñiga y Guzmán was an important character in that journey.
The site that Paul gave to you is perfect. It's very well detailed, I think it will help
Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California
Thank you for this link. I have used it often to help me find baptism, marriage and death records.
Good Afternoon, Stanley,
My wife is a direct descendent of Bartoleme Romero, who was one of the men of the 1598 Onate party. He was from Corral de Almaguer, a small town near Toledo, Spain.
Have you gone to Gary Felix's web site? It is garyfelix.tripod.com. You will find there a list of the men who accompanied Onate
Best wishes on your research.
Paul J. Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:43 AM, stanley.lucero@comcast.net wrote:
> What microfilms and other records do I need to research to find more information about the families that traveled to New Mexico from Zacatecasanief around 1598?
> I have the book "New Mexico's First Colonists. The 1597-1600 Enlistments for New Mexico under Juan de Onate, Adelante & Gobernador" by David H. Snow.
> I hope to find baptism, marriage and death records. What are the names of the towns and settlements in Zacatecas where the people lived?
Consider the following:
Victor M Gomez
BEATRIZ ENRIQUEZ DEL CASTILLO HIJA DE JOSEPH ENRIQUEZ DEL CASTILLO Y DE ANA TAVERA O DE LA TORRE, (1677) CASO EN 1696 CON EL CAPITAN DON PEDRO LOZANO Y GUTIERREZ DE MENDOZA, HIJO DE JOSE LOZANO Y GONZALEZ DE RUBALCAVA Y DE JOSEFA GUTIERREZ DE MENDOZA Y CAMACHO RIQUELME. LUGARDA ES HERMANA DE BEATRIZ NACIO EN 1692 Y CASO EN 1713 CON JOSE LOZANO TAMBIEN HERMANO DE PEDRO.
ESPERO QUE LE SEA DE UTILIDAD
Hola, Victor,
Muchas gracias por la información; es muy útil. Tengo una pregunta: ¿cual es el origen de esa información?
Por favor perdone a mi español; todavía estoy aprendiendo.
Lawrence Bouett
Adrián Márquez Padilla
Hola Lawrence y Victor, esta es mi aportación espero sea de utilidad la mayoria de los datos aqui aportados proceden de family search.
De Pedro Lozano casado con Beatriz Enriquez del Castillo:
Hijos:
Joseph Miguel Lozano Enríquez: 08 Jul 1703 Jalostotitlán, Jalisco
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60320-1
Source Film Number: 279253
Reference Number: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9YB-TNG
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9YB-TNL
Joachin Losano Enrriquez: 26 Jun 1706 Jalostotitlán, Jalisco
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60320-1
Source Film Number: 279253
Reference Number: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK9B-9R7
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK9B-9RQ
Juan De Dios Lozano Enríquez: 02 Abril 1700 Jalostotitlán, Jalisco
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60320-1
Source Film Number: 279253
Reference Number: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK9Y-1H3
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK9Y-1HS
Ana Xetrudis Lozano
Just to be sure I understand what is known, and not known, about this (presumed) Enriques family:
The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society, which focuses on genealogical interests from the Nueva Galicia area of colonial Mexico, is pleased to announce the 3rd Annual Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
INVITATION
Descendants of the Pioneer families in the Brownsville area are having an special meeting to meet, form and establish a local Brownsville Historic Museum Genealogy Guild in the
Brownsville area for all folks interested in genealogy and those doing ancestral
research and those tracing their family roots. Meeting will take place at 10:00 a.m.
Saturday, March 31, 2012 at the Brownsville Historic Museum
641 E. Madison
Brownsville, Texas 78520.
Please spread the word about this genealogy meeting....on Saturday, March 31st. Come and learn about your family ancestors, about the Escandon settlements, how to do your family tree on the computer, as we strive to set up this very interesting meeting!
Bring your family sheets or whatever other family or historical documents you may have.
This is a wonderful hobby for those doing family research. We would like to share information on the Founding families in this area...Some of these families are: Trevino, Tamayo, Longoria, De La
I'm sorry I missed this email. My wife and I live in Brownsville!
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Hi Josie --
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I would be very interested in any upcoming events.
I don't have roots in Brownsville or Matamoros; my wife's family does though (Cisneros, Villarreal, Longoria families). However, I am a descendant of various founding families from Mier, Tamaulipas through my ggg grandparents, Tomas Ramirez and Concepcion, who moved from Mier to Laredo, TX in the 1890s. These families had land grants in South Texas dating from the 1760s, although at least my ancestors lost or sold their portion in the 1890s for reasons that aren't yet clear.
Please keep me posted on any upcoming events!
Chris Pineda
This is a link to an excellent website about the history of the Spanish/Mexican Land Grants in Texas.. It contains a list of them, and also the story of what happened to them, how they were lost to the American invaders. http://infinito9.com/landgrants/history.html
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:41:46 -0700
> From: pineda37@yahoo.com
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Descendants of the Pioneer families
>
> Hi Josie --
>
> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I would be very interested in any upcoming events.
>
> I don't have roots in Brownsville or Matamoros; my wife's family does though (Cisneros, Villarreal, Longoria families). However, I am a descendant of various founding families from Mier, Tamaulipas through my ggg grandparents, Tomas Ramirez and Concepcion, who moved from Mier to Laredo, TX in the 1890s. These families had land grants in South Texas dating from the 1760s, although at least my ancestors
INVITATION
Descendants of the Pioneer families in the Brownsville area are having an special meeting to meet, form and establish a local Brownsville Historic Museum Genealogy Guild in the
Brownsville area for all folks interested in genealogy and those doing ancestral
research and those tracing their family roots. Meeting will take place at 10:00 a.m.
Saturday, March 31, 2012 at the Brownsville Historic Museum
641 E. Madison
Brownsville, Texas 78520.
Please spread the word about this genealogy meeting....on Saturday, March 31st. Come and learn about your family ancestors, about the Escandon settlements, how to do your family tree on the computer, as we strive to set up this very interesting meeting!
Bring your family sheets or whatever other family or historical documents you may have.
This is a wonderful hobby for those doing family research. We would like to share information on the Founding families in this area...Some of these families are: Trevino, Tamayo, Longoria, De La
Can any one guide me towards defunciones in Matamoros, Coahuila, for the years, 1853-1854? My g,g,g,grandfather, Pablo Luna, died at that time span and location.
Raul,
I don't know anything about Coahuila but it appears that the Church records for Coahuila have not been digitized yet. The only records available on-line for Coahuila are the civil records that begin in 1869.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: "RaulV1@Prodigy.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros
Can any one guide me towards defunciones in Matamoros, Coahuila, for the years, 1853-1854? My g,g,g,grandfather, Pablo Luna, died at that time span and location. I haven't been able to find any info about this time...Thanks, Raul Cristerna Luna
The Coahuila images are located the same place the Aguascalientes and
Zacatecas records are located.
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…
Armando
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Raul,
>
> I don't know anything about Coahuila but it appears that the Church
> records for Coahuila have not been digitized yet. The only records
> available on-line for Coahuila are the civil records that begin in 1869.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Ca
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "RaulV1@Prodigy.net"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:19 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros
>
> Can any one guide me towards defunciones in Matamoros, Coahuila, for the
> years, 1853-1854? My g,g,g,grandfather, Pablo Luna, died at that time span
> and location. I haven't been able to find any info about this
> time...Thanks, Raul Cristerna Luna
Wow, thanks Armando, I should have looked there as well before my comments to Raul.
Thanks again for being so thorough and astute.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros
The Coahuila images are located the same place the Aguascalientes and
Zacatecas records are located.
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…
Armando
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Raul,
>
> I don't know anything about Coahuila but it appears that the Church
> records for Coahuila have not been digitized yet. The only records
> available on-line for Coahuila are the civil records that begin in 1869.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Ca
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "RaulV1@Prodigy.net"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday
Armando..thanks...but, those records go back to 1860...I have even searched those for a possible clue...but, 1853-1854 defunciones is what i am looking for...Raul
--- On Thu, 4/5/12, Armando wrote:
From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 3:17 AM
The Coahuila images are located the same place the Aguascalientes and
Zacatecas records are located.
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…
Armando
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Raul,
>
> I don't know anything about Coahuila but it appears that the Church
> records for Coahuila have not been digitized yet. The only records
> available on-line for Coahuila are the civil records that begin in 1869.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Ca
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "RaulV1@Prodigy.net"
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According to the catalog search some records are in Viesca.
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog-s…
Armando
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:13 PM, RAUL LUNA wrote:
> Armando..thanks...but, those records go back to 1860...I have even
> searched those for a possible clue...but, 1853-1854 defunciones is what i
> am looking for...Raul
>
> --- On Thu, 4/5/12, Armando wrote:
>
>
> From: Armando
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 3:17 AM
>
>
> The Coahuila images are located the same place the Aguascalientes and
> Zacatecas records are located.
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…
>
> Armando
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Alicia Carrillo >wrote:
>
> > Raul,
> >
> > I don't know anything about Coahuila but it appears that
Armando..Thanks again...I have searched them again, and double checked the records...but can't locate it...Saludos, Raul CristernaLuna
--- On Thu, 4/5/12, Armando wrote:
From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 1:34 PM
According to the catalog search some records are in Viesca.
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog-s…
Armando
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:13 PM, RAUL LUNA wrote:
> Armando..thanks...but, those records go back to 1860...I have even
> searched those for a possible clue...but, 1853-1854 defunciones is what i
> am looking for...Raul
>
> --- On Thu, 4/5/12, Armando wrote:
>
>
> From: Armando
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 3:17 AM
>
>
> The Coahuila images are located the same place the Aguascalientes and
> Zacatecas
According to Wikipedia Matamoros wasn't even a villa until 1864 so if the
record you are looking exists it would have been recorded in a church
somewhere other than Matamoros. That is why there are no records for
Matamoros in the years you are looking for.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matamoros_%28Coahuila%29
Saludos
Armando
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:19 PM, RAUL LUNA wrote:
> Armando..Thanks again...I have searched them again, and double checked the
> records...but can't locate it...Saludos, Raul CristernaLuna
>
> --- On Thu, 4/5/12, Armando wrote:
>
>
> From: Armando
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 1:34 PM
>
>
> According to the catalog search some records are in Viesca.
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog-s…
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:13 PM, RAUL LUNA wrote:
>
> > Armando..thanks...but
In our village of Huejuquilla during Holy Week, we have "La Judea" festivities. During this week, we eat, "Capirotada" also we eat Pan Semanita. But I was looking at this article I just saw:
Today I had albóndigas for dinner (in the afternoon, Mexican style) and they are what in English people call meatballs. According to the Spanish Royal Academy Dictionary, the name in Spanish is derived from Arabic (like other Spanish words that begin with Al-) and they define them as "balls of finely minced meat or fish, mixed with pieces of bread, eggs and spices; eaten cooked or fried".
Like many kinds of food, music, dances, styles of painting, etc., many different groups may claim them as their own.
albóndiga.
(Del ár. hisp. albúnduqa, este del ár. clás. bunduqah, y este del gr. [κάρυον] ποντικόν '[nuez] póntica' ).
1. f. Cada una de las bolas que se hacen de carne o pescado picado menudamente y trabado con ralladuras de pan, huevos batidos y especias, y que se comen guisadas o fritas
http://www.rae.es/rae.html
Victoriano Navarro
My grandmother, who was from Jerez, used to make Capirotada when I was a
little girl. I didn't like it or champurado or atole and, worse for me,
camote. I think I could eat capirotada now. :)
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:40 PM, wrote:
> In our village of Huejuquilla during Holy Week, we have "La Judea"
> festivities. During this week, we eat, "Capirotada" also we eat Pan
> Semanita. But I was looking at this article I just saw:
>
> http://shine.yahoo.com/spring-**celebrations/battle-matzoh-**
> balls-185700091.html
>
> Matzoh Balls?
>
> In Mexico they are popular but called, "Abondigas."
>
>
Alguien me podria ayudar diciendome como encontrar la informacion de nacimientos y matrimonios de Aguascalientes en family search
Saludos
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…
Aguascalientes, put this in you favorites..
________________________________
From: "adrianmapa50@yahoo.com.mx"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Como encontrar informacion de Aguascalientes en Family search
Alguien me podria ayudar diciendome como encontrar la informacion de nacimientos y matrimonios de Aguascalientes en family search
Saludos
Adrián Márquez Padilla
Muchas gracias, es de gran ayuda para mi...
Saludos
Hi Lester.......Mickey and I were in Tonala a few years ago...I really liked the area! You might as well go into Guadalajara since it is so close! :-) Have fun and enjoy the trip!
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the info. My Trevino paternal lineage includes Villarreal and Longoria.....have you done research on your wife's lines?
Hey everyone,
In my direct paternal ancestor search, I found the following record:
Gregorio Pinedo m.
Aquí el enlace, por supuesto que para nuestros amigos de NUESTROS RANCHOS, los archivos estan abiertos, solo tienen que mencionarlo.
These are my New Mexico ancestors from Zacatecas.
Catalina Herrera de Cantillana married to Juan Montes Vigil II from Zacatecas on 21 Jun 1619 in Zacatecas [9th great grandparents]
Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California
I forgot to add these ancestors:
Juan de ARGUELLO was born about 1672 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 19 December 1789 in Santo Tomas Apostol del Rio de las Trampas, Taos, New Mexico, United States. He was buried on 20 December 1789 in Santo Tomas Apostol del Rio de las Trampas, Taos, New Mexico, United States. Juana Gregoria BRITO and Juan de ARGUELLO were married on 26 May 1715 in Santa Fe, Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States.
Stanley,
Did Juan de Arguello die at 117 years old?
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Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 4:50:30 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Mexico & Zacatecas
Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California
I forgot to add these ancestors:
Juan de ARGUELLO was born about 1672 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 19 December 1789 in Santo Tomas Apostol del Rio de las Trampas, Taos, New Mexico, United States. He was buried on 20 December 1789 in Santo Tomas Apostol del Rio de las Trampas, Taos, New Mexico, United States. Juana Gregoria BRITO and Juan de ARGUELLO were married on 26 May 1715 in Santa Fe, Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States.
Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California
According to Tony Hillerman in his book, New Mexico, Rio Grande and other essays, 1993:
Truchas is a double line of adobe houses lining a windy cliffedge under the Truchas Peaks, and Las Trampas is a hollow square inthe narrow valley of Rito las Trampas. They were there when George Washington was born. Truchas was founded by two families, and Trampas by a man named Juan De Arguello. Arguello was seventy-seven years old and a battle-scarred veteran of a long life of frontier wars when he led his sons-in-law and their families from Santa Fe to establish this lonely and dangerous new outpost. The chronicles report that when he was ninety-nine he walked over the mountains to the Penasco Vally to ask donations for the village chapel. He died at 117. With the U.S.occupation the village lost all its communal grazing lands. But Las Trampas lives on, terribly poor, and terribly proud of its church which is a lovely and priceless example of Spanish
> Chris......all my "recent" ancestors (1800s) were from Brownsville and Matamoros.
Joseph Bisente Enriques Albares (nac.
Jose Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzalez de Hermosillo were married on 29 Jan. 1741(Jalos Marriages 1707-1748, image 443).
Jose Vicente was born in Jalos on 26 Aug. 1714 and died on 4 Jun. 1774.
Sergio Gutierrez
Sergio, thank you so much for that information, especially the image number; I was able to go directly to the record.
As an aside, the post of mine to which Sergio replied was probably only my fourth or fifth query to this list; to have been rewarded so quickly is testimony to the collaborative nature of the many wonderful people on the list. I read most of the posts, and I hope I can pay Sergio's kindness forward soon with information from my own research.
Once again, a heartfelt "Thank you".
Lawrence Bouett
Lawrence,
We are here to share and help each other. There are many in the forum that spend hours researching and have no problem sharing it with the rest of the group.
Sergio Gutierrez
Sergio,
Hi primo. I will be happy to share what I have for this couple. They
happen to be my direct paternal Enriquez abuelitos.
What email would you like me to use to email you the marriage document dated
29 Jan 1741 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. His parents were Francisco Enriquez
& Anna Alvares-Tostado. Her parents were Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo &
Juana de Anda Altamirano. This couple is also mentioned in Retonos, Tomo
III, p. 280.
Rosa
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Looking for the marriage of Joseph
BisenteEnriques Albares and
Jose Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzalez de Hermosillo were married
on 29 Jan. 1741(Jalos Marriages 1707-1748, image 443).
Jose Vicente was born in Jalos on 26 Aug. 1714 and died on 4 Jun. 1774.
Sergio
Hi I have Been doing some searching thru Family Search and I finaly found some more records. It Appears that I Found Family In Zacatecas,
I Cant seem to find Anymore info On Non of the Bugarins? Where should I start looking or does anyone have anymore info on Bugarins the Zacatecas?
Antonio, I have not been keeping up with your info so, I'm sending you what I
found and if it helps, good. If you already have, just disregard.
Jose Francisco Bugarin Gonzales, ch. 23 Apr. 1747, Tepechitlan, Zacatecas. He
married Maria Guadalupe Paulina Miramontes Gonzales on 25 Oct. 1786, Tlaltenango
de Sanchez, Roman, Zacatecas.
They had the following children:
1. Maria Thereza de Jesus Bugarin, ch 15 Jan. 1788, Tepachitlan, Zacatecas
2. Jose Marcelino Bugarin, ch. 11 June 1789, Tlaltenango de Sanchez, Roman,
Zacatecas. Marcelino married Maxima Rosalia Cortes Castro, 11 Oct. 1812,
Atolinga, Zacatecas. They had 11 children, which I did not add here because I
thought you might already have.
3. Jose Vizte. de los Stos. Bugarin Miramtes., ch. 12 Nov. 1795, Tlaltenango,
de Sanchez, Roman, Zacatecas. He married Maria Apolinar Serrano on 15 July 1816,
Tlaltenango, de Sanchez, Roman, Zacatecas.
They had 5 children.
4. Maria Eugenia Bugarin Miramontes, ch. 24 Nov 1799, Atolinga
I ReallY appreciate your help... I see the names but i dont like to Jump into conclutions... Thanks for your help.. : )
Thanks for the Info I Did not know much of this info... : ) I Noticed Francisco and Maria Guadalupe have a lastname in common.. are they family?
I Did find Maria Guadalupe Paulina's Parents...
who were Christobal De Miramontes and Maria Gonzales
and on The Bugarin Line.. is it possible that Pedro Joseph Bugarin Gonzales and Maria Josepha Gonzales are Francisco's Parents...
it kinda matches... Jose Francisco Bugarin Gonzales... ? The last name is found in both pedro and Maria?
Pedro Bugarin and Maria Josepha Gonzales are Francisco's parents... !!!!! YAY
After connecting all the dots... it seems mi Bugarins mIght be Descendants of Cosme Felix Bugarin....
I have
Margarito Rivera Bugarin My GG Grandpa
My GGG Grandma Juliana Bugarin(Margaritos Mom)
Juliana's Dad. My GGGG Grandpa Josef Eligio Bugarin who was Married to Narcisa Covarrubias...
Eligios Dad MY GGGGG Granpa Jose Vicente De Los Santos Bugarin Married to
Maria Apolinar Serrano
Jose Vicente De Los Santos Bugarin's Dad... Jose Francisco Bugarin Gonzales
I also found him as ( Francisco Dionisio Cuates Bugarin Gonzales) it would make him my GGGGGG Grandpa, Married to Maria Guadalupe Paula Miramontes Gonzales..
Jose Francisco's Dad is Pedro Joseph Bugarin married to Maria Josefa gonzales
Pedro would be my GGGGGGG Grandpa
Pedro Joseph dad was Alvaro Cosme De Bugarin married with maria Bracamontes
he would be my GGGGGGGG Grandpa
Alvaro Cosme De Bugarin's Father was Cosme Felix De La Villa Bugarin married to Maria De Los Reyes, He would be my GGGGGGGGG Grandpa ...
If you have
Gus Meza
Ran across your old post dated 5/17/2010. I noticed you list Francisco Dionicio Cuates Bugarin Gonzalez as your 6th Ggrandfather. He was related to me as well being my 4th Grandfather. By this time although I have no way of knowing, you may have learned the reference to "Cuates' in the document (which I observed as well) means he was a fraternal twin. His brother Jose Dionicio Francisco is the other twin.
I apologize if this is old news to you.
Gus Meza
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:41 PM, gusmeza@charter.net wrote:
> Gus Meza
>
> Ran across your old post dated 5/17/2010. I noticed you list Francisco Dionicio Cuates Bugarin Gonzalez as your 6th Ggrandfather. He was related to me as well being my 4th Grandfather. By this time although I have no way of knowing, you may have learned the reference to "Cuates' in the document (which I observed as well) means he was a fraternal twin. His brother Jose Dionicio Francisco is the other twin.
>
> I apologize if this is old news to you.
>
> Gus Meza
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:41 PM, gusmeza@charter.net wrote:
> Gus Meza
>
> Ran across your old post dated 5/17/2010. I noticed you list Francisco Dionicio Cuates Bugarin Gonzalez as your 6th Ggrandfather. He was related to me as well being my 4th Grandfather. By this time although I have no way of knowing, you may have learned the reference to "Cuates' in the document (which I observed as well) means he was a fraternal twin. His brother Jose Dionicio Francisco is the other twin.
>
> I apologize if this is old news to you.
>
> Gus Meza
From the information you have provided, this may be the same Vicente Bugarin, in which case you would be related to the same Mexico City Alvaro Cosme Bugarin who arrived in Tlaltenango in the early 1700s.
http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1415&tree=RamosP…
Antonio Orellana
I did See on Fam Search and Carmen sent me more info
to my Knowledge Josef Bicente Bugarin Married maria Apolonia Serrano
and on Fam search there are people who i believe is are the same person
Jose Vizente de Los Santos Bugarin ?
Maria Apolinar Serrano Correa?
if these are the same people i can go further back.. what do you think?
Antonio Orellana
It Seems Jose Vicente De Los Santos is my Same Josef Bicente Bugarin
and his father is Jose Franco Bugarin and Maria Guadalupe Miramontes are his parents.. does these name look familiar to anyone?
Antonio Orellana
Ok i have gone thru the records and
Jose Franco Bugarin also Appears as
Franco Bugarin
and I wonder if this is him
Jose Franco Dionisio Bugarin
and Jose Francisco Dionisio Bugarin
it seems to match because all of them Appear with the name of mother of children
Maria Guadalupe Miramontes...
Antonio...correct me if I wrong. I thought that Josef Bicente Bugarin and Maria Apolonia Serrano were your grandparents. If so, then your new findings with Jose Francisco Bugarin & Maria Guadalupe Miramones may
have not been in the same time frame.
Please contact me on my direct e-mail, so that I may
help you step by step. Please send me the birth year
for J. Bicente & Maria Apolonia Serrano.
Helyn
Antonio Orellana
Ok i have gone thru the records and Jose Franco Bugarin also Appears as
Franco Bugarin
and I wonder if this is him
Jose Franco Dionisio Bugarin
and Jose Francisco Dionisio Bugarin
it seems to match because all of them Appear with the name of mother of children
Maria Guadalupe Miramontes...
Antonio Orellana
these people live around late 1700s and early 1800s
My Grandpa died A Month ago
and this would be his side of the family
this would be my GGGGGG Grandparents... : )
Antonio Orellana
These are the Bugarin from my Line
Margarito Rivera Bugarin he was my GGGranpa
and His Mom was Maria Juliana Bugarin she was my GGG Grandmother
so her father was Josef Eligio Bugarin so he would be my GGGG Grandfather
and according to records his father was Jose Vizente De Los Santos Bugarin who would be my GGGGG Grandfather
who was married to
Maria Apolinar Serrano
and it seems like
Jose Franco Bugarin is my GGGGGG Grandfather
and he was married to Maria Guadalupe Miramontes
and thats all i have... for the moment
Antonio, I think these are the brothers that Danielwas talking about:
Josef Bicente Burgarin and Maria Apolinar Serranomarried 15 July 1816,
Tlaltenango de Sanchez, Zacatecas.
Children:
1. Josef Eligio Burgarin Serrano, ch. 12 Dec 1818, Atolinga, Zacatecas (Batch
#C60070-1)
2. Maria Ysidora Ramona Burgarin Serrano, ch. 11 Jan. 1822, Atolinga, Zacatecas
(Batch #C60070-2)
3. Josef Franco. Luciano Burgarin Serrano, ch. 12 Jul 1817, Atolinga, Zacatecas
(Batch #C60070-1)
4. Jose Pelagio Burgarin Serrano, ch. 28 Mar 1825, Atolinga, Zacatecas (Batch
#C60070-2)
I found the next record that may also be part of the family, you decide.
Jose Dolores Burgarinand Maria Polinaria Sereno(parents)
Jose Feliciano Burgarin Sereno(child) ch. 9 Jun 1823, Santa Maria de los
Angeles, Jalisco(Batch 61104-1)
Esther Jordan Lopez
On May 5, 2010 at 4:56 PM antonio2214@verizon.net wrote:
> Antonio Orellana
> These are the Bugarin from my Line
> Margarito Rivera Bugarin he was my GGGranpa
> and His Mom was
Thank all of you for all your help, i Wasnt going to Investigate the Bugarin this soon becuase i am still working on My Escatel's but after going on Family Search i was able to find more on my great Grandpa Margarito Rivera Bugarin and I Noticed it had his grandparents name, I was So EXCITED cuase of that and destiny led me to the bugarins and i am still working on it... Thank you all for your help.. :)
Antonio Orellana
Hi I am looking but cant find anymore info on
Josef Bicente Bugarin and Maria Apolonia Serrano..
doing a smart guess they should have been born late 1700s
i hoping to find birth certificates or any record that gives me the names of parents of Bicente and Maria Apolinia Serrano
where should i look, I Have gone thru the Family Search records,
and i did find about the Bugarin from mexico city and there might be a possibility that my bugarin is a Descendant of him or his children?
thanks : )
You prob have this but Vicente and Apolinaria married 15 jul 1816 in Tlatenango. I foundfour kids for this couple.
Daniel
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: antonio2214@verizon.net
> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:00:00 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Is It possible?
>
> Antonio Orellana
> Hi I am looking but cant find anymore info on
> Josef Bicente Bugarin and Maria Apolonia Serrano..
> doing a smart guess they should have been born late 1700s
> i hoping to find birth certificates or any record that gives me the names of parents of Bicente and Maria Apolinia Serrano
> where should i look, I Have gone thru the Family Search records,
> and i did find about the Bugarin from mexico city and there might be a possibility that my bugarin is a Descendant of him or his children?
> thanks : )
Antonio Orellana
I Did not know.. i am gonna get on it and look for them..
Antonio Orellana
I am Stuck in Many Sides of the Family,
Quirino Escatel and Bonifacia Lujan Lopes
Santiago Martinez and Monica Godina
Vita Rivera and Jesus Perez
Josef Bicente Bugarin and Maria Apolinar Serrano
Onofre Pallares and Serapia Gutierres
Celedonio Airada and Bartola Saldana
Juan Villegas and Maria De Haro
I really need Hits... : ) its very frustrating...
Prudencio Vital Rivera casado con Maria de Jesus Perez el 13 nov 1816 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Zacatecas...batch M607143 film 443971
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#surname=rivera&p=…
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Prefiero un día sin coche que sin Messenger
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Antonio Orellana
Se me hace un poco complicado y que miro los Nombres y no puedo ver la connecion
si se sabe algo de los padres de Prudencio Vital Rivera Y Maria de Jesus Perez?
muchas gracias por ayurdarme encontrar mas informacion.. : )
Hello Antonio...Welcome to the group.
I have two lines of Bugarin. The first record
that I have is; as marriage record in Mexico, D.F.
in 1676 then, the family appears in Tlaltenango on
a marriage record in 1709.
I have searched my data base for the names you
indicated, and.. nada...Perhaps, if you go back a
generation or two, we may find a connection.
Also, there are at least two members in the group
that have Bugarin lines, which may be listed in
the files section
Keep searching~~~
Helyn
San Jose, CA
--- On Sat, 5/1/10, antonio2214@verizon.net wrote:
From: antonio2214@verizon.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I found I Have Family in Atolinga , Zacatecas by the Lastnames Bugarin and Covarrubias
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 10:38 PM
Hi I have Been doing some searching thru Family Search and I finaly found some more records. It Appears that I Found Family In Zacatecas,
My Family Members are Eligio Bugarin who married Narcisa
Antonio Orellana
Yeah I have been Looking for a while, the Issue is sometimes Names appear different..
Like some record for Maria Anastacia Covarrubias
is she Narcisa ? they seem to have the same Husband Name?
Josef Eligio Bugarin Serrano se bautiza el 12 dec 1818 en atolinga, Zacatecas batch C600701 film 445062 hijo de jose Bicente Bugarin y Maria Apolinar Serrano
se casa con Narcisa Cobarruvias el 28 de feb 1829 en Atolinga batch M600705 film 445085
tienen a Pantaleona, Epitacio, Petra, Juliana Eusebio y Jose Encarnación
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordResults&g…
Bicente se casa con Apolonia Serrano el 15 jul 1816 en Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman M607143 film 443971
en este link están sus hijos:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordResults&g…
saludos lety R
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: as HOT as always
www.hotmailhotness.com.mx
Antonio Orellana
Gracias leti.. do u know more about the Narcisa's Covarrubias Family?
I am researching a Mexican marriage record from 1755 in which the groom is described as 'flamenco de Nasion originario de la Ciudad de Dunquerque'.
I'm researching in Tamazula, Jalisco and finding many people from Cotija.. is that in the district of Tamazula, Jalisco or is it in Michoacan?
Linda in Everett
Linda,
Cotija is in Michoacan, it is crossing the border between Jalisco and
Michoacan.
Jonathan
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm researching in Tamazula, Jalisco and finding many people from Cotija..
> is that in the district of Tamazula, Jalisco or is it in Michoacan?
> Linda in Everett
Jonathan, thank you so much
Linda in Everett
________________________________
From: Jonathan Walker
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] location
Linda,
Cotija is in Michoacan, it is crossing the border between Jalisco and
Michoacan.
Jonathan
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm researching in Tamazula, Jalisco and finding many people from Cotija..
> is that in the district of Tamazula, Jalisco or is it in Michoacan?
> Linda in Everett
It could mean born in or national origin. For some reason, I think
Flamenco COULD mean Fleming, as in, he's Flemish originally from
Dunkirk. But I might be wrong. Marge:)
On Jul 30, 2010, at 10:02 AM, omar_codina@msn.com wrote:
I am researching a Mexican marriage record from 1755 in which the
groom is described as 'flamenco de Nasion originario de la Ciudad de
Dunquerque'. I interpret this as a gypsy from the city of Dunkirk
(France). I am not sure what the 'de Nasion' signifies unless it
means gypsy nation or of this nation. If anyone has encountered this
terminology or has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate your
thoughts.
Omar Codina
Hello Omar,
I've offered up this Spanish website to the group before because I've found it helpful, but I've never received any feedback positive or otherwise. Try ascagen.es go to the upper right archivos/bases de datos. There there's a Transmeranos de Flandes/Los Flamencos de Transmiera section that might prove helpful. I don't know enough about the history of Spain and what the Flanders connection is, but that's what they refer to here, when they use "Flamenco". It's confusing, because more specifically, there's a Cantabria connection which includes Santander and has been a great resource researching my family. Does this make me "Flamenco"? I don't know. I hope you find the site interesting at the very least. Alice
--- On Fri, 7/30/10, omar_codina@msn.com wrote:
From: omar_codina@msn.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:02 PM
I am researching a Mexican marriage record from
Hi Omar
Flamenco de Nasión (should be -nación) simply means -flamenco from birth, born
flamenco.
Regards
Juan Ramón Alvarez
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From: "omar_codina@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 8:02:03 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
I am researching a Mexican marriage record from 1755 in which the groom is
described as 'flamenco de Nasion originario de la Ciudad de Dunquerque'. I
interpret this as a gypsy from the city of Dunkirk (France). I am not sure what
the 'de Nasion' signifies unless it means gypsy nation or of this nation. If
anyone has encountered this terminology or has any suggestions, I would greatly
appreciate your thoughts.
Omar Codina
Flamenco can also mean Flemish for those from Flanders near Belgium, France.
2010/7/30 Juan Ramón Alvarez
> Hi Omar
>
> Flamenco de Nasión (should be -nación) simply means -flamenco from birth,
> born
> flamenco.
>
> Regards
>
> Juan Ramón Alvarez
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "omar_codina@msn.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 8:02:03 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
>
> I am researching a Mexican marriage record from 1755 in which the groom is
> described as 'flamenco de Nasion originario de la Ciudad de Dunquerque'. I
> interpret this as a gypsy from the city of Dunkirk (France). I am not sure
> what
> the 'de Nasion' signifies unless it means gypsy nation or of this nation.
> If
> anyone has encountered this terminology or has any suggestions, I would
> greatly
> appreciate your thoughts.
>
> Omar Codina
There were many Flemish immigrants to Colonial Mexico, I always see Flandes?
Usually once their descendants integrated fully they would automatically assume
the designation of espanol. European=espanol regardless what nation you came
from, as long as you integrated and "castilianized",
Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:37:30 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
>
> Flamenco can also mean Flemish for those from Flanders near Belgium, France.
>
> 2010/7/30 Juan Ramón Alvarez
>
> > Hi Omar
> >
> > Flamenco de Nasión (should be -nación) simply means -flamenco from birth,
> > born
> > flamenco.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Juan Ramón Alvarez
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "omar_codina@msn.com"
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 8:02:03 AM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place
Hi, Omar, most of the definitions I find for "flamenco" refers to Flemish (from Flanders). Gypsy is defined as "gitano", but the dance that the gypsies did was called flamenco also ("dancing for the Flemish").
I have a Flemish ancestor who lived in Mexico City in 1617. His name was Juan Fresqui (Flandes) and he signed his name "Frishz". The name became Fresco, Fresqui, Fresquis, and my most recent ancestors with that name wrote it as Fresquez. Juan Fresqui was a mining engineer from Flanders, and he went to New Mexico in 1625 and settled and married there in Santa Fe.
What was the name of your Flemish ancestor?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:17:14 -0700
> From: alvarezdmezcala@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
>
> Hi Omar
>
> Flamenco de Nasión (should be -nación) simply means -flamenco from birth, born
> flamenco.
>
> Regards
>
> Juan Ramón Alvarez
>
>
>
>
> ____________
King Charles of Carlos the V was Flemish born in the Flemish city of Ghent in
1500 and although he was King of Spain during the Spanish conquest of the
America's, he spoke very little spanish. His mother was Castillian and his
father was Maximilian I.
Alicia
________________________________
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 12:42:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
Hi, Omar, most of the definitions I find for "flamenco" refers to Flemish (from
Flanders). Gypsy is defined as "gitano", but the dance that the gypsies did was
called flamenco also ("dancing for the Flemish").
I have a Flemish ancestor who lived in Mexico City in 1617. His name was Juan
Fresqui (Flandes) and he signed his name "Frishz". The name became Fresco,
Fresqui, Fresquis, and my most recent ancestors with that name wrote it as
Fresquez. Juan Fresqui was a mining engineer from Flanders, and he went to New
Mexico in 1625 and
I have read all sorts of books and documents on Carlos V, this is true in the beginning he
did not speak much Spanish. But he soon grew to love his country Spain, so much he would
give up his german posessions and keep his spanish posessions. He gave up his german
posessions to his brother Ferdinand who became the next German Rman Emperor. Interesting enough
Felipe I his father is recognized as the first modern Spanish king, even though he was German
he was crowned Felipe I de Espana with his wife Juana I. Since she was "la loca" and locked away
her husband ruled for some time in the Castilla posesions. While Carlos Grandfather Fernando
II el catolio ruled Aragon and her posessions until his death, where he passed everything to Carlos.
Carlos V or I is the monarch who united his Spain into a country instead of many small kingdoms.
Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:57:22 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>
Daniel,
I enjoyed your remarks. Can you cite a few sources for reading, to learn
more about Carlos V?
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:26 PM
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
I have read all sorts of books and documents on Carlos V, this is true in
the beginning he
did not speak much Spanish. But he soon grew to love his country Spain, so
much he would
give up his german posessions and keep his spanish posessions. He gave up
his german
posessions to his brother Ferdinand who became the next German Rman Emperor.
Interesting enough
Felipe I his father is recognized as the first modern Spanish king, even
though he was German
he was crowned Felipe I de Espana with his wife Juana I. Since she was "la
loca" and locked away
her husband
Some would be here:
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/historia/carlosv/bibliografia1.shtml
You can also try google books his life is really of interest to me!
Daniel
> From: paul.gomez@verizon.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:42:39 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
>
> Daniel,
>
> I enjoyed your remarks. Can you cite a few sources for reading, to learn
> more about Carlos V?
>
> Paul Gomez
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Daniel
> Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
>
>
> I have read all sorts of books and documents on Carlos V, this is true in
> the beginning he
> did not speak much Spanish. But he soon grew to love his country Spain, so
> much he would
Hey everyone --
I was looking at the Matrimonio Civil records for Tlaltenango, and it appears the records for July 1913 to July 1914 are missing, from the 1913-1914 file.
Here's the link:
Mexic
Thank you for your comments and ideas.I should have mentioned the composition of my guest list.
I belong to a Latino cooking club - we all have ancestors from different
Hispanic countries. When it was my turn, I made tostadas (great for both
vegetarian and meat eaters) and a huge nopale salad -- to my delight and
surprise, it was all gone!
My recipe
2 bottles of Dona Maria Nopales (already cleaned and cooked)
rinse and take out peppers/onions
Finely diced onions (1 small one or to taste)
Finely diced tomatoes (about three)
Queso ranchero - 2-3 packages (the smaller ones) broken up in small pieces
cilantro - 1 bunch
1 or 2 jalapenos - diced - on the side(not everyone likes chiles - it's
for those that like it and they simply can add to taste)
Gently toss together - serve with tostadas
I found a fantastic dish very common in Morelia Michoacan, it is quite
refreshing! and delicius!
GASPACHO MICHOACANO
Prep time: About 30 minutes
Makes: 4 servings
1/3 cup lime juice
2/3 cup orange juice
2 cups 1/4- to 1/2-inch diced pineapple
2 cups 1/4- to 1/2-inch diced jicama
2 cups 1/4- to 1/2-inch diced mango
Hot sauce
Chili powder
1/4 cup crumbled cotija or feta cheese
1. Mix lime and orange juices.
2. In each of 4 tall glasses (12- to 14-oz. size), make a layer of 1/4 cup
pineapple. Add 1/4 cup jicama and top with 1/4 cup mango.
3. In a bowl, combine the remaining pineapple, jicama, and mango, and spoon
the mixture equally into each glass. Pour the lime-orange mixture equally
into each glass.
4. Top each serving with hot sauce and chili powder to taste, and sprinkle
with 1 tablespoon cheese.
Per serving: 160 cal., 14% (23 cal.) from fat; 2.7 g protein; 2.5 g fat
(1.3 g sat.); 35 g carbo (4.8 g fiber); 103 mg sodium; 7.5 mg chol.
FROM THIS PAGE
http:/
Another salad you could use, with beef. we call it SALPICON
http://comidamexicana.about.com/od/PlatosPrincipales/r/Salpic-On-De-Res…
- 3/4 de kg cooked shreded beef (falda de res deshebrada)
- 1/2 onion medium and one more sliced
- 8 spoons olive oil
- 2 spoons vinager
- 2 spoons lemmon juice
- 1 tea spoon of oregano
- 1 tea spoon of salt
- 3 tomatos chopped
- one lettuce chopped
- 1 avocado
for the dressing Mix the olive oil, vinager, lemmon juice oregano and salt.
Put the beef with the lettuce tomato, onion and avocato in a bowl and
season it with the above dressing
Here is one recipe for Nopal Salad (Ensalada de Nopalitos) from the website for American ex-pats living in Mexico.
http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/2188-nopal-salad-ensalada-de-nopalit…
Also, I found this one in the book "Frida's Fiestas: Recipes and Reminiscences of Life with Frida Kahlo" by Guadalupe Rivera and Marie-Pierre Colle, a book with fabulous color photos of Frida's home in Mexico City:
NOPALES SALAD
16 medium nopales, needles removed, cut in strips, and rinsed under running water
4 medium tomatoes, peeled, seeded, and chopped
1 large onion, chopped
3 serrano or jalapeno chiles, chopped
1/4 cup chopped cilantro
1/2 cup olive oil
2 tablespoons vinegar
Salt
Cook the nopales in plenty of water to remove the slippery coating [they can be slimy like okra]
When tender, rinse in cold water.
Soak a dishtowel in cold water and wrap it around the nopales
Squeeze tightly and let stand 20 minutes so that any remaining
I like to add crumbled queso fresco and a little bit of dried oregano. Yummy, anyway you make Ensalada de Nopales, it's sooo good. You opened up my appetite, think I'll make some today.
Thanks,
Alicia
________________________________
From: Emilie Garcia
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Easter Dinner ideas
Here is one recipe for Nopal Salad (Ensalada de Nopalitos) from the website for American ex-pats living in Mexico.
http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/2188-nopal-salad-ensalada-de-nopalit…
Also, I found this one in the book "Frida's Fiestas: Recipes and Reminiscences of Life with Frida Kahlo" by Guadalupe Rivera and Marie-Pierre Colle, a book with fabulous color photos of Frida's home in Mexico City:
NOPALES SALAD
16 medium nopales, needles removed, cut in strips, and rinsed under running water
4 medium tomatoes, peeled, seeded, and chopped
1 large onion, chopped
3 serrano or
Alicia,
I have also been hungry for my Mother's capirotada, made with toast, simple syrup, cheese and raisins. No onions or nuts like other people use.
Emilie
> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:13:56 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Easter Dinner ideas
>
> I like to add crumbled queso fresco and a little bit of dried oregano. Yummy, anyway you make Ensalada de Nopales, it's sooo good. You opened up my appetite, think I'll make some today.
>
> Thanks,
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Easter Dinner ideas
>
>
> Here is one recipe for Nopal Salad (Ensalada de Nopalitos) from the website for American ex-pats living in Mexico.
>
> http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/2188-nopal-salad-ensalada-de-nopalit…
>
> Also, I found this one in the book "Frida's Fiestas: Recipes
My husband makes his capirotada for Ash Wednesday every year, it's the best of the lenten meals, followed by Sopa de Lentejas con zanahoria y espinacas. Lentil Soup with Carrots and spinach. My mom always makes tortas de Camaron con nopales en mole. That's dried shrimp dumplings with nopales in a mole sauce and sopa de habas, that's a fava bean soup, thick like pea soup.
We don't have a traditional Mexican Easter meal, we have the usual North American ham or lamb with the usual gringo side dishes, scalloped potatoes, asparagus, wild rice salad etc. etc.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: Emilie Garcia
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Easter Dinner ideas
Alicia,
I have also been hungry for my Mother's capirotada, made with toast, simple syrup, cheese and raisins. No onions or nuts like other people use.
Emilie
> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:13:56 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
>
Oh, Alicia, you still have your Mom? Lucky you. Her meals sound so yummy.
As for our Easter dinner, when I lived in the same town (San Jose) as my sister, I did have lamb, etc, very American. Now we have all scattered, and sister lives in Vegas, and Mom is gone. So, we two just go to the clubhouse here in our development on Easter where they have a fabulous buffet with ham, prime rib, turkey (no lamb) plus all kinds of salads, sides, and breakfast items too, and desserts.
Have a Happy Easter,
Emilie
> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:52:08 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Lenten meals
>
> My husband makes his capirotada for Ash Wednesday every year, it's the best of the lenten meals, followed by Sopa de Lentejas con zanahoria y espinacas. Lentil Soup with Carrots and spinach. My mom always makes tortas de Camaron con nopales en mole. That's dried shrimp dumplings with nopales in a mole sauce and sopa
Peal off the prickle with a sharp knife, cut the nopal in small
rectangles, boil in water with onion and salt until they fill tender, rinse
with cold water until the water comes out clean.
Mix it with chopped tomatos, coriander, onion, avocado and as much
jalapeño as you want (you may skip the chile if you dont like it hot),
add a few drops of olive oil.
Thats all!, you can add some panela cheese cubes.
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:24 PM, natalie coleman wrote:
> Thank you for your comments and ideas.I should have mentioned the
> composition of my guest list. There will be 8 adults (4 of them non-latino,
> but three of them have been family members for several years), and 6
> grandchildren under the age of 12. The tamales were a request.The idea of a
> nopal salad is intriguing - I haven't had nopales in decades, and no one
> else among those attending Easter dinner has ever had them. Can anyone
> suggest a good recipe for the salad? I like to offer sufficient variety,
> so that
Im trying to look for a record on Familysearch.com.And their is a major problem so i click on Mexico Catholic Church Record, then i click on the state which in this case is Zacatecas then i have to c
Abram,
They did some work on the site last night so it looks different. When you get to Zacatecas, scroll down on the blue arrow at the right and Nochistlan will be there.
Good Luck!!
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search??
Im trying to look for a record on Familysearch.com.And their is a major problem so i click on Mexico Catholic Church Record, then i click on the state which in this case is Zacatecas then i have to click the name of the city or town and which in this case is Nochistlan.And the problem is that Nochistlan is not their can someone please help me? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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I have a problem with the marriage date of Jose Juachin Gutierrez de Laris with Juana Gallo January 30, 1782
parents: Antonio Gutierres De Laris,? Cathalina Ramires
spouse: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
groom's name: Jose Juachin Gutierres De Laris
bride's name: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
marriage date: 30 Jan 1782
marriage place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
groom's father's name: Anttonio Gutierres De Laris
groom's mother's name: Cathalina Ramires
bride's father's name: Salbador Gallo
bride's mother's name: Gertrudis Masias Balades
indexing project (batch) number: M60322-7
Family search has the date on the search and I cannot find it once I look at the Marriage on Browse. Does anyone have this research.
This info may conflict with Retonos de Espana.
I can confirm the marriage from the marriage of their son Jose Ignacio Gutierrez with Antonia Martin del Campo February 13, 1809.in San Juan de los Lagoss
I have Antonio Abad Gutierrez de Laris y Martin del Campo and Catarina
Ramirez de Hermosillo y Reynoso as the parents, married 23 Jan 1741.
Rick
Thanks Rick, I also have the parents info and the following ancestors. I just wanted to confirm the Marriage Date as stated by Family Search
> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:48:59 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
>
> I have Antonio Abad Gutierrez de Laris y Martin del Campo and Catarina
> Ramirez de Hermosillo y Reynoso as the parents, married 23 Jan 1741.
>
> Rick
>
Adrián Márquez Padilla
Con Relación al matrimonio de los padres de Jose Joachin Gutierrez de Laris, efectivamente se casaron un 23 de enero pero del año 1740 segue el libro de Matrimonios 1707-1748 en nuestra Señora de la Asuncion en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
Resumen del Matrimonio:
Antonio Abad Gutiérrez de Laris, hijo de Joseph Juachin Gutiérrez de Laris y Cecilia Martin del Campo, residente de el rancho El Saltillo, contrajo matrimonio con Catharina Ramirez de Hermosillo, hija de Juan Ramirez de Hermosillo y Rosa Reynoso y Renteria el dia 23 de enero de 1740,
***Ese mismo día se caso Joseph Anastacio Gutierrez de Laris (hermano) con Paula Ramirez de Hermosillo, hermana de Catharina.....
Fueron Padrinos de Antonio y Catharina, Jacinto Gutierrez y Rosa Maria de Hermosillo.... Testigos: Fulgencio Gutierrez de Laris, Joseph Gabriel Gutierrez y Joachin Gutierrez...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-291-72?cc=1874591&wc=1…
Imagen 442
That will almost definitely be found in the volume Matrimonios 1780-1791.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
Armando
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
>
>
> I have a problem with the marriage date of Jose Juachin Gutierrez de Laris
> with Juana Gallo January 30, 1782
>
> parents: Antonio Gutierres De Laris,? Cathalina Ramires
> spouse: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
>
> groom's name: Jose Juachin Gutierres De Laris
> bride's name: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> marriage date: 30 Jan 1782
> marriage place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco,
> Mexico
> groom's father's name: Anttonio Gutierres De Laris
> groom's mother's name: Cathalina Ramires
> bride's father's name: Salbador Gallo
> bride's mother's name: Gertrudis Masias Balades
> indexing project (batch) number: M60322-7
>
>
> Family search has the date on the search and I cannot find it once I look
> at the
Adrián Márquez Padilla
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
En la direccion proporcionada amablemente por Armando y en la imagen 56 se encuentra el acta.
Xalostitlan
D. Jose Joachin Gutierrez de Laris,
con Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
Todos Españoles
Velados
En la Iglesia Parroquial de Xalostitlan a treinta de enero de Mil Setecientos Ochenta y Dos. Yo el Presbitero Don Jose Maria de Asedo Cura Interino Case y Vele infacie Eclecie por palabras de presente que hacen verdaderos matrimonios a Don. Jose Joachin Gutierres de Laris Español originario y vecino de esta feligresia hijo legitimo de Don Antonio Gutierres De Laris difunto y de Doña Cathalina Ramires de Hermosillo, con Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo, Española originaria y vecina de esta feligresia en el puesto de la parada, hija legitima de Don Salvador Gallo y de Doña Gertrudis Masias Balades (difunta) habiendo precedido antes la información de libertad y soltura de matrimonio
Thanks Armando but I already looked in the referred location but it is not there. I was hoping someone may have tripped into the right place by mistake.
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:21:19 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
>
> That will almost definitely be found in the volume Matrimonios 1780-1791.
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> Armando
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I have a problem with the marriage date of Jose Juachin Gutierrez de Laris
> > with Juana Gallo January 30, 1782
> >
> > parents: Antonio Gutierres De Laris,? Cathalina Ramires
> > spouse: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> >
> > groom's name: Jose Juachin Gutierres De Laris
> > bride's name: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> > marriage date: 30 Jan 1782
> > marriage place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco,
> >
Miggy,
Adrián Márquez Padilla had provided the image number where the marriage is
found before your last response. In hundreds and maybe even a thousand
records I have searched for based on record that shows up on search and
provides a film number I have always found the record in that same film.
There has never been a mistake in that regard. What has to be done at times
is search the whole volume page by page because the record can be out of
order. I've tried to point this out in multiple posts. I had given you the
link to the volume to provoke you into searching it again because it there
and Adrián found it for you.
Here is what Adrián Márquez Padilla said. Let me know if you need a
tranlation.
"*
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
En la direccion proporcionada amablemente por Armando y en la imagen 56 se
encuentra el acta.
Xalostitlan* *
D. Jose Joachin Gutierrez de Laris, con Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
Todos Españoles
Velados
Im still having problems with family search im trying to look for image records in CIENEGA DE MATA,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO.So i clicked on Jalisco and only a few cities showed up help please?
Abram,
They are all there, the problem you're having is that it looks different from what it used to be. They made some changes and the page looks different. Slow down and take the time to look carefully. Here's the link. https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Problems??
Im still having problems with family search im trying to look for image records in CIENEGA DE MATA,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO.So i clicked on Jalisco and only a few cities showed up help please?
Alicia
Thanks again so much.They should of left the website how it was now it's very confusing.
Abram
Abram and Alicia,
It has nothing to do with site changes or with Abram taking his time. It
has to do with experience and knowledge of how they started putting the
images online with Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and a few others in one
collection then adding most of the rest of Mexico in separate areas.
The original images are under Mexico, Catholic Church Records found at -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…
Then they started to create a separate location based on state and type of
record Church for one and Civil for the other. These and the previous one
mentioned are both found under the Mexico found at -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=MEXICO
They should have moved the Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, etc collections so
they could be found where the Jalisco, Michoacán, and Guanajuato images are
located.
Saludos
Armando
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Armando
I see, but in my opinion it was a lot better how it was before.Another thing i need help on im searching for a individual named Barbara Delgadillo Gil in family search it said that she was baptized on 15 Nov 1711 so i look up the record image which is on Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.After that i click on one of the dates Bautismos 1639-1711 and nothing it actually goes up to May of 1711.Then i click to another date Bautismos 1708-1722 and nothing it stop like around July 1711 and after that it skips 4 whole years?Here is the link down below if anyone wants to help
I don't like the way it was before or the way it is now. It could have been
done without scroll bars, vertical or horizontal. However, neither format
had anything with you not being able to find the Jalisco images.
As far as the baptismal record you are looking for it is in film number
634015. It will definitely be in that film, without a doubt. You will have
to jump around to find it.
Armando
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:01 PM, wrote:
> Armando
>
>
> I see, but in my opinion it was a lot better how it was before.Another
> thing i need help on im searching for a individual named Barbara Delgadillo
> Gil in family search it said that she was baptized on 15 Nov 1711 so i look
> up the record image which is on Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche,
> Jalisco, Mexico.After that i click on one of the dates Bautismos 1639-1711
> and nothing it actually goes up to May of 1711.Then i click to another date
> Bautismos 1708-1722 and nothing it stop like around July 1711 and after
> that
Abram,
We need to learn to use what's available. In my opinion just having it available on line is wonderful.
Before December of 2010 in order to look at films, you had to go to your local family history center and order your film. You paid a fee for each roll of film and then you waited 5-6 weeks for your film to come to your local family history center from Salt Lake. You would go to your local FHC and view the film on microfilm readers. When you found a record you wanted, you had to pay a fee for every copy. I remember paying up to 25 cents per photocopy. Depending on your local FHC they were open 2 to 3 days a week and if the hours didn't work for you, tough. The film could only be viewed at the one local FHC, you couldn't take it to a different one that had better research hours and there were times when you'd order some film and it sat for the 3-4 weeks alloted time and pouf, that time passed and maybe you'd had time to view it once or twice. If you wanted it to remain longer
I agree. The current way is much better.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Abram,
>
> We need to learn to use what's available. In my opinion just having it available on line is wonderful.
>
>
> Before December of 2010 in order to look at films, you had to go to your local family history center and order your film. You paid a fee for each roll of film and then you waited 5-6 weeks for your film to come to your local family history center from Salt Lake. You would go to your local FHC and view the film on microfilm readers. When you found a record you wanted, you had to pay a fee for every copy. I remember paying up to 25 cents per photocopy. Depending on your local FHC they were open 2 to 3 days a week and if the hours didn't work for you, tough. The film could only be viewed at the one local FHC, you couldn't take it to a different one that had better research hours and there were times when you'd order some film and it sat for the 3-4
Abram,
It's possible that you are not using the slide bar on the right side of the page...slide it downward to view all the listings...
Pat
----- Original Message -----
Thank you Adrian and Armando. I followed your directions.. I lost my lead on page 90 with the date discussed, and I assumed there were lost pages out of order and when I first read your instruction I assumed I was lead to the general film.
You are great.
Hope I can return the Favor.
It seems that retoños may have missed this son or transferred the name in tomo 5 page 55 Jose Santiago born Dec 13, 1758 married to Juana Gertrudis Perez Gallo on January 30, 1782; As we just confirmed the name was Jose Juachin married to Juana Gertrudis Perez Gallo the same day .
Miggy
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:04:02 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
>
> Miggy,
>
> Adrián Márquez Padilla had provided the image number where the marriage is
> found before your last response. In hundreds and maybe even a thousand
> records I have searched for based on record that shows up on search and
> provides a film number I have
Hola a todos. Quiero hacerles una pregunta a ver si me sacan de esta duda. De antemano muchas gracias por cualquier información que puedan compartir conmigo sobre este asunto.
Lo que quisiera confirmar es quienes fueron los padres de Juana Díaz de Sandi, esposa de Joseph Alexandro de Acosta, casados el 8 de enero de 1735 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco. De acuerdo a los datos anotados en el Registro de Matrimonios de 1729-1736, Vol. 3 Foja 95r sus padres fueron Don Juan Díaz de Sandi y Doña Juana Gómez de Lomelí, vecinos de Aguascalientes. El enlace es el siguiente: Teocaltiche, Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Matrimonios 1729-1753 Imagen 103 de 571.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19052-56474-13?cc=1874591&wc…
En el Archivo Histórico del Estado de Aguascalientes (AHEA) se encuentra el testamento de Doña Juana Lomelí Hurtado de Mendoza (también conocida como Juana Gómez de Mendoza o Juana de Lomelí) quien era casada con Juan Díaz Montañez de Sandi cuando falleció el 5
Bill,
The following girl seems to be the Juana DIAS DE SANDI you are searching for. She would have been only three months old at her mother Juana LOMELIN's death, (perhaps too young to be included in any documents) and 15 years old at the time of her own marriage to Joseph Alexandro ACOSTA.
From Film #299530, Mex CCRec Ags Ags Sag (inc Hac. Cieneguilla) Bau 1719-1733, Image 10.
Juana, española, baptized 6 Apr 1720, Ags,
hija lexitima de Ju. DIAS DE SANDI y Doña Juana LOMELIN y MENDOZA.
Padrino: el capitan Don Andres TELLO De LOMAS.
Gloria Delgado
Hi Gloria,
Thank you very much for answering my question. Juana de Lomelin y Hurtado
de Mendoza was ill when her daughter was born and probably died of
post-partum complications three months after giving birth to her daughter.
The baptismal record also indicates that Juana was "hija lexitima de Juan
Díaz de Sandi y de Da Juana de Lomelin y Mendoza difunta". The word difunta
was later scratched out by the priest. Here is the sequence of events:
06 Apr 1720 - Juana Díaz de Sandi is baptized in Aguascalientes.
28 Jun 1720 - Her mother Juana de Lomelin y Hurtado de Mendoza, gravely
ill in bed after giving birth to her daughter, authorized her husband Juan
Díaz de Sandi to file her final will and testament on her behalf. No
mention of her newborn is made in her deposition, made in presence of the
scribe and witnesses.
05 Jul 1720 - Juana de Lomelín y Hurtado de Mendoza dies and is buried in
Aguascalientes.
18 Oct 1720 - Juan Díaz de Sandi files his wife's
Polonia Torres Y Nicolas Ramirez -15th century