I have uploaded an article into the files section of Ranchos2 that 
explores the relationship between genetics and Latin American 
(particularly Mexican) history.  It has some intersting data on mtDNA 
distributions among different ethinc groups in what is now the U.S. 
and Mexico.

Genetics and Latin American History.pdf

Surprisingly, the fact that we are all haplogroup A points to our 
maternal ancestors coming to the region after Spanish contact 
(probably from further south) since the groups indigenous to the area 
we are studying tend to have relatively high levels of haplogroup B 
populations.

The following is a link to a very well researched Spanish language 
article on the indigenous populations of the Colotlan/Bolanos area at 
the time of Spanish contact:

http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" <Josiett3@s...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi!  
>  
> Someone once explained to me that the mtDNA results were, in some 
cases, the
> result of Spaniards marrying the "local girls" ........is this what 
you are
> referring to, Arturo?    I do not understand these numbers.....I am 
just
> trying to make heads or tails out of it......and to justify the 
$$$$ I spent
> to get these numbers!  :-)   
> Seriously, I don't mind spending the money if it will give me some 
clues as
> to my ancestors, the migration pattern they followed, etc.  I have 
only
> researched about three or four generations on my Dad's maternal 
line and
> three or four on my Mom's maternal and paternal lines so I have a 
long way
> to go.  I have been focusing on my Dad's paternal Trevino lineage 
and go
> "way back" to about the 1400s in Spain.  
>  
> I really enjoy reading the messages everyone is sending regarding Y-
DNA and
> mtDNA because I am slowing learning a little here and there.  What 
I really
> like is finding out that I have matches to a few in this group, 
Linda,
> Victor, Arturo and an exact match with Ed!  Even though I have 
never met any
> of you in person  I do feel a connection!  The only grandparent I 
knew was
> my Mom's father and he died when I was 7 years old.  My other 
grandparents
> died before I was born.  I only have one brother so you can see 
that my
> familia is very small.......maybe that is why I am always looking 
for "mi
> gente!"   I have met several primos and primas (live ones!) through
> genealogy and it feels good when we share information and discover 
that our
> great-grandparents were brothers/sisters and here we are digging up 
their
> information!  
>  
> It would be wonderful if a group were started concentrating on 
mtDNA.
>  
> Josie in San Antonio
>  
>   _____  
> 
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of
> Arturo Ramos
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:04 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
> 
> 
> Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is 
very 
> much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.
> 
> The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic 
> material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic 
> collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and 
the 
> subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the 
mtDNA 
> information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary 
is 
> gathering.
> 
> We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous 
> ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns 
and 
> settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of 
Mexico.
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
<auntyemfaustus@h...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Arturo,
> > 
> > I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
> > 
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA ---
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Arturo Ramos<mailto:arturo.ramos2@v...> 
> >   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> 
> >   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:52 AM
> >   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
> > 
> > 
> >   Margarita:
> > 
> >   Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be 
> able 
> >   to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) 
lineages.  
> If 
> >   your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's 
yDNA 
> but 
> >   would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he 
> would 
> >   have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However, 
> his 
> >   father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your 
> >   father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the 
> test... 
> >   Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.
> > 
> >   If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA 
for 
> $99 
> >   and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the 
> yDNA 
> >   through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a 
> yDNA-
> >   based project only)...
> > 
> >   Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
> <TeaCozyGran@k...> 
> >   wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all 
because 
> me 
> >   mum  
> >   > wasn't Hispanic.  If I have one of my male cousins do this, 
> would I 
> >   get  
> >   > some usable answers if his mother is my aunt or his father my 
> >   uncle?   
> >   > In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is 
my 
> >   father's  
> >   > sister or if my cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's 
> brother,  
> >   > which would be the better candidate?  Marge V:)
> >   > 
> >   > On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
> >   > 
> >   > > Josie,
> >   > >
> >   > >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are 
> related 
> >   since  
> >   > > we are studying our
> >   > >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my 
> >   mtDNA  
> >   > > results which I
> >   > >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a 
low  
> >   > > resolution level to my
> >   > >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia 
> Isordia).  I 
> >   did  
> >   > > not realize who you
> >   > >  were.
> >   > >
> >   > >  Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not 
do 
> the 
> >   HVR2  
> >   > > and you have
> >   > >  extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if 
we 
> >   are  
> >   > > related at an even closer
> >   > >  (high resolution) level.
> >   > >
> >   > >  Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the 
material 
> you 
> >   have  
> >   > > in the Ranchos
> >   > >  database. My grandmother's data is below.
> >   > >
> >   > >  Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. 
> Amazing.
> >   > >
> >   > >  Abrazos,
> >   > >
> >   > >  Ed
> >   > >
> >   > >  HVR1 Haplogroup A
> >   > >  HVR1 differences
> >   > >  from CRS
> >   > >  16223T
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  16290T
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  16319A
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  16362C
> >   > >
> >   > >  HVR2 differences
> >   > >  from CRS
> >   > >  64T
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  73G
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  146C
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  153G
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  182T
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  235G
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  263G
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  315.1C
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  522-
> >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  523-
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >  --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" 
> >   <Josiett3@s...>  
> >   > > wrote:
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > Arturo......it seems that I match four of your six 
> >   mutations.  Does  
> >   > > this
> >   > >  > mean we are related 'way 'way back?   Linda.....I also 
> match 
> >   four  
> >   > > of yours.
> >   > >  > Victor.....I don't have your numbers but I am pretty 
sure 
> we 
> >   share  
> >   > > a few
> >   > >  > also.  I haven't had a chance to do much more on this 
but 
> >   hopefully  
> >   > > I will
> >   > >  > after the holidays.    Thanks!    Josie in San 
> Antonio
> >   > >  >Â 
> >   > >  >Â 
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > HVR1 Haplogroup
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > A
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > HVR1 differences
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > from
> >   > >  >  
> >   > > <http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?
> <http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?> 
> >   > > kit=42332&code=P7670&crypt=%9
> >   > >  > 2%C5%B9%98%7F%94%8Cz%91k%7D%B3%C3%99%BD%7C%94%81u%5C%8Ae%
> A7%B3%
> >   85%
> >   > >  A4%9E%C9%A
> >   > >  > 7%AAJ%A7%BFu%7C%CC%9B%B4j%95%9Am%A8%AA%B6%B3%5D%89x%8EnP%
> B2%99%
> >   7C%
> >   > >  83%B9%AD%C
> >   > >  > F%8CJ%CA%94%BC%9B%#HVR1> CRS
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > 16223T
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  > 16290T
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  > 16319A
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
> >   > >  > 16362C
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >Â 
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >Â Â 
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >Â Â  _____Â 
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] 
> >   On  
> >   > > Behalf Of
> >   > >  > Arturo Ramos
> >   > >  > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:06 PM
> >   > >  > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >   > >  > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > 16111T
> >   > >  > 16223T
> >   > >  > 16290T
> >   > >  > 16319A
> >   > >  > 16362C
> >   > >  > 16390A
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa 
> Magallanes 
> >   born
> >   > >  > circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most 
likely 
> >   Tepecano
> >   > >  > (Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the 
> Spanish 
> >   were
> >   > >  > really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos 
> and 
> >   brought
> >   > >  > in a lot of other labor to the area.
> >   > >  >
> >   > >  > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
> >   > > <raices_regias@y...>
> >   > >  > wrote:
> >   > >  > >
> >   > >  > > Josie & Linda,
> >   > >  > >
> >   > >  > > We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not 
an 
> >   exact match
> >   > >  > we
> >   > >  > > do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here 
with
> >   > >  > mitochondrial
> >   > >  > > DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that 
our 
> >   female
> >   > >  > common
> >   > >  > > ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in 
prehistorical 
> >   times.
> >   > >  > >
> >   > >  > > Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is 
> >   called "Deep
> >   > >  > > Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely 
share 
> the 
> >   same
> >   > >  > > Native American roots in the distant past.
> >   > >  > >
> >   > >  > > Warm Regards,
> >   > >  > >
> >   > >  > > Victor
> >   > >  > >
> >   > >  > >
> >   > >  > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" 
> >   <Josiett3@s...>
> >   > >  > wrote:
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Message: 8Â Â Â Â Â Â  Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 
> 03:55:34 -
> >   000Â Â Â Â Â Â Â   
> >   > > From:
> >   > >  > > "Erlinda
> >   > >  > > > Castanon-Long" <longsjourney@y...>
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo 
> group 
> >   A  
> >   > > 16111T
> >   > >  > > 16223T
> >   > >  > > > 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind 
> sharing?
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Linda in Everett
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  =======================================================
> >   > >  ==========
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Hi Linda.....Hi Victor!
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Is this what you are referring to (below)
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > HVR1> CRS
> >   > >  > > > 16223T
> >   > >  > > > 16290T
> >   > >  > > > 16319A
> >   > >  > > > 16362C
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > I just printed all this out last night and really 
did 
> not 
> >   read  
> >   > > it
> >   > >  > > (properly)
> >   > >  > > > due to a lack of time.  I have been in Houston for 
a 
> week 
> >   and
> >   > >  > unable
> >   > >  > > to do
> >   > >  > > > "my thing" with my genealogy/DNA projects.  What do 
> >   these  
> >   > > numbers
> >   > >  > > mean?   If
> >   > >  > > > any match to you (Linda & Victor) does that mean we 
> have 
> >   a  
> >   > > common
> >   > >  > > ancestor
> >   > >  > > > "somewhere"....?  Please feel free to enlighten me 
as 
> I 
> >   know
> >   > >  > absolutely
> >   > >  > > > nothing about "this new DNA stuff"......I guess that 
> tells 
> >   my
> >   > >  > age!   :-)
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Abrazos desde San Antonio,
> >   > >  > > >
> >   > >  > > > Josie
> >   > >  > > >
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Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very 
much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.

The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic 
material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic 
collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the 
subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA 
information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is 
gathering.

We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous 
ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and 
settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
wrote:
>
> Arturo,
> 
> I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Arturo Ramos<mailto:arturo.ramos2@v...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> 
>   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:52 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
> 
> 
>   Margarita:
> 
>   Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be 
able 
>   to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages.  
If 
>   your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA 
but 
>   would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he 
would 
>   have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However, 
his 
>   father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your 
>   father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the 
test... 
>   Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.
> 
>   If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for 
$99 
>   and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the 
yDNA 
>   through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a 
yDNA-
>   based project only)...
> 
>   Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
<TeaCozyGran@k...> 
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because 
me 
>   mum  
>   > wasn't Hispanic.  If I have one of my male cousins do this, 
would I 
>   get  
>   > some usable answers if his mother is my aunt or his father my 
>   uncle?   
>   > In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is my 
>   father's  
>   > sister or if my cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's 
brother,  
>   > which would be the better candidate?  Marge V:)
>   > 
>   > On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
>   > 
>   > > Josie,
>   > >
>   > >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are 
related 
>   since  
>   > > we are studying our
>   > >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my 
>   mtDNA  
>   > > results which I
>   > >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low  
>   > > resolution level to my
>   > >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia 
Isordia).  I 
>   did  
>   > > not realize who you
>   > >  were.
>   > >
>   > >  Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do 
the 
>   HVR2  
>   > > and you have
>   > >  extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we 
>   are  
>   > > related at an even closer
>   > >  (high resolution) level.
>   > >
>   > >  Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material 
you 
>   have  
>   > > in the Ranchos
>   > >  database. My grandmother's data is below.
>   > >
>   > >  Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. 
Amazing.
>   > >
>   > >  Abrazos,
>   > >
>   > >  Ed
>   > >
>   > >  HVR1 Haplogroup A
>   > >  HVR1 differences
>   > >  from CRS
>   > >  16223T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  16290T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  16319A
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  16362C
>   > >
>   > >  HVR2 differences
>   > >  from CRS
>   > >  64T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  73G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  146C
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  153G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  182T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  235G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  263G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  315.1C
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  522-
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  523-
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >  --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" 
>   <Josiett3@s...>  
>   > > wrote:
>   > >  >
>   > >  > Arturo......it seems that I match four of your six 
>   mutations.  Does  
>   > > this
>   > >  > mean we are related 'way 'way back?   Linda.....I also 
match 
>   four  
>   > > of yours.
>   > >  > Victor.....I don't have your numbers but I am pretty sure 
we 
>   share  
>   > > a few
>   > >  > also.  I haven't had a chance to do much more on this but 
>   hopefully  
>   > > I will
>   > >  > after the holidays.    Thanks!    Josie in San 
Antonio
>   > >  >Â 
>   > >  >Â 
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > HVR1 Haplogroup
>   > >  >
>   > >  > A
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > HVR1 differences
>   > >  >
>   > >  > from
>   > >  >  
>   > > <http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?
<http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?> 
>   > > kit=42332&code=P7670&crypt=%9
>   > >  > 2%C5%B9%98%7F%94%8Cz%91k%7D%B3%C3%99%BD%7C%94%81u%5C%8Ae%
A7%B3%
>   85%
>   > >  A4%9E%C9%A
>   > >  > 7%AAJ%A7%BFu%7C%CC%9B%B4j%95%9Am%A8%AA%B6%B3%5D%89x%8EnP%
B2%99%
>   7C%
>   > >  83%B9%AD%C
>   > >  > F%8CJ%CA%94%BC%9B%#HVR1> CRS
>   > >  >
>   > >  > 16223T
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  > 16290T
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  > 16319A
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  > 16362C
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â 
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â Â 
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â Â  _____Â 
>   > >  >
>   > >  > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] 
>   On  
>   > > Behalf Of
>   > >  > Arturo Ramos
>   > >  > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:06 PM
>   > >  > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   > >  > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
>   > >  >
>   > >  > I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
>   > >  >
>   > >  > 16111T
>   > >  > 16223T
>   > >  > 16290T
>   > >  > 16319A
>   > >  > 16362C
>   > >  > 16390A
>   > >  >
>   > >  > I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa 
Magallanes 
>   born
>   > >  > circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely 
>   Tepecano
>   > >  > (Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the 
Spanish 
>   were
>   > >  > really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos 
and 
>   brought
>   > >  > in a lot of other labor to the area.
>   > >  >
>   > >  > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
>   > > <raices_regias@y...>
>   > >  > wrote:
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Josie & Linda,
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not an 
>   exact match
>   > >  > we
>   > >  > > do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here with
>   > >  > mitochondrial
>   > >  > > DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our 
>   female
>   > >  > common
>   > >  > > ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical 
>   times.
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is 
>   called "Deep
>   > >  > > Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely share 
the 
>   same
>   > >  > > Native American roots in the distant past.
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Warm Regards,
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Victor
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" 
>   <Josiett3@s...>
>   > >  > wrote:
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Message: 8Â Â Â Â Â Â  Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 
03:55:34 -
>   000Â Â Â Â Â Â Â   
>   > > From:
>   > >  > > "Erlinda
>   > >  > > > Castanon-Long" <longsjourney@y...>
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo 
group 
>   A  
>   > > 16111T
>   > >  > > 16223T
>   > >  > > > 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind 
sharing?
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Linda in Everett
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  =======================================================
>   > >  ==========
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Hi Linda.....Hi Victor!
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Is this what you are referring to (below)
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > HVR1> CRS
>   > >  > > > 16223T
>   > >  > > > 16290T
>   > >  > > > 16319A
>   > >  > > > 16362C
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > I just printed all this out last night and really did 
not 
>   read  
>   > > it
>   > >  > > (properly)
>   > >  > > > due to a lack of time.  I have been in Houston for a 
week 
>   and
>   > >  > unable
>   > >  > > to do
>   > >  > > > "my thing" with my genealogy/DNA projects.  What do 
>   these  
>   > > numbers
>   > >  > > mean?   If
>   > >  > > > any match to you (Linda & Victor) does that mean we 
have 
>   a  
>   > > common
>   > >  > > ancestor
>   > >  > > > "somewhere"....?  Please feel free to enlighten me as 
I 
>   know
>   > >  > absolutely
>   > >  > > > nothing about "this new DNA stuff"......I guess that 
tells 
>   my
>   > >  > age!   :-)
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Abrazos desde San Antonio,
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Josie
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Margarita:

Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be able 
to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages.  If 
your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA but 
would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he would 
have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However, his 
father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your 
father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the test... 
Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.

If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for $99 
and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the yDNA 
through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a yDNA-
based project only)...

Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!





--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@k...> 
wrote:
>
> Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because me 
mum  
> wasn't Hispanic.  If I have one of my male cousins do this, would I 
get  
> some usable answers if his mother is my aunt or his father my 
uncle?   
> In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is my 
father's  
> sister or if my cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's brother,  
> which would be the better candidate?  Marge V:)
> 
> On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
> 
> > Josie,
> >
> >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related 
since  
> > we are studying our
> >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my 
mtDNA  
> > results which I
> >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low  
> > resolution level to my
> >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia).  I 
did  
> > not realize who you
> >  were.
> >
> >  Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do the 
HVR2  
> > and you have
> >  extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we 
are  
> > related at an even closer
> >  (high resolution) level.
> >
> >  Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material you 
have  
> > in the Ranchos
> >  database. My grandmother's data is below.
> >
> >  Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. Amazing.
> >
> >  Abrazos,
> >
> >  Ed
> >
> >  HVR1 Haplogroup A
> >  HVR1 differences
> >  from CRS
> >  16223T
> >       
> >  16290T
> >       
> >  16319A
> >       
> >  16362C
> >
> >  HVR2 differences
> >  from CRS
> >  64T
> >       
> >  73G
> >       
> >  146C
> >       
> >  153G
> >       
> >  182T
> >       
> >  235G
> >       
> >  263G
> >       
> >  315.1C
> >       
> >  522-
> >       
> >  523-
> >
> >
> >  --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" 
<Josiett3@s...>  
> > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Arturo......it seems that I match four of your six 
mutations.  Does  
> > this
> >  > mean we are related 'way 'way back?   Linda.....I also match 
four  
> > of yours.
> >  > Victor.....I don't have your numbers but I am pretty sure we 
share  
> > a few
> >  > also.  I haven't had a chance to do much more on this but 
hopefully  
> > I will
> >  > after the holidays.    Thanks!    Josie in San Antonio
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > HVR1 Haplogroup
> >  >
> >  > A
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > HVR1 differences
> >  >
> >  > from
> >  >  
> > <http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp? 
> > kit=42332&code=P7670&crypt=%9
> >  > 2%C5%B9%98%7F%94%8Cz%91k%7D%B3%C3%99%BD%7C%94%81u%5C%8Ae%A7%B3%
85%
> >  A4%9E%C9%A
> >  > 7%AAJ%A7%BFu%7C%CC%9B%B4j%95%9Am%A8%AA%B6%B3%5D%89x%8EnP%B2%99%
7C%
> >  83%B9%AD%C
> >  > F%8CJ%CA%94%BC%9B%#HVR1> CRS
> >  >
> >  > 16223T
> >  >
> >  >       
> >  > 16290T
> >  >
> >  >       
> >  > 16319A
> >  >
> >  >       
> >  > 16362C
> >  >
> >  > 
> >  >
> >  >  
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >   _____ 
> >  >
> >  > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] 
On  
> > Behalf Of
> >  > Arturo Ramos
> >  > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:06 PM
> >  > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >  > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
> >  >
> >  > I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
> >  >
> >  > 16111T
> >  > 16223T
> >  > 16290T
> >  > 16319A
> >  > 16362C
> >  > 16390A
> >  >
> >  > I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa Magallanes 
born
> >  > circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely 
Tepecano
> >  > (Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the Spanish 
were
> >  > really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos and 
brought
> >  > in a lot of other labor to the area.
> >  >
> >  > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
> > <raices_regias@y...>
> >  > wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > Josie & Linda,
> >  > >
> >  > > We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not an 
exact match
> >  > we
> >  > > do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here with
> >  > mitochondrial
> >  > > DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our 
female
> >  > common
> >  > > ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical 
times.
> >  > >
> >  > > Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is 
called "Deep
> >  > > Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely share the 
same
> >  > > Native American roots in the distant past.
> >  > >
> >  > > Warm Regards,
> >  > >
> >  > > Victor
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" 
<Josiett3@s...>
> >  > wrote:
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Message: 8       Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:55:34 -
000         
> > From:
> >  > > "Erlinda
> >  > > > Castanon-Long" <longsjourney@y...>
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo group 
A  
> > 16111T
> >  > > 16223T
> >  > > > 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind sharing?
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Linda in Everett
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  =======================================================
> >  ==========
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Hi Linda.....Hi Victor!
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Is this what you are referring to (below)
> >  > > >
> >  > > > HVR1> CRS
> >  > > > 16223T
> >  > > > 16290T
> >  > > > 16319A
> >  > > > 16362C
> >  > > >
> >  > > > I just printed all this out last night and really did not 
read  
> > it
> >  > > (properly)
> >  > > > due to a lack of time.  I have been in Houston for a week 
and
> >  > unable
> >  > > to do
> >  > > > "my thing" with my genealogy/DNA projects.  What do 
these  
> > numbers
> >  > > mean?   If
> >  > > > any match to you (Linda & Victor) does that mean we have 
a  
> > common
> >  > > ancestor
> >  > > > "somewhere"....?  Please feel free to enlighten me as I 
know
> >  > absolutely
> >  > > > nothing about "this new DNA stuff"......I guess that tells 
my
> >  > age!   :-)
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Abrazos desde San Antonio,
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Josie
> >  > > >
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