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face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> In a message dated 2/15/2005 1:19:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, valhdez@... writes:
Hi Guillermo, I may not be as fluid in my Mexican history as others, however I believe the reasons Mexico was defeated by the US in 1840 was because we (Mexico) had just fought a bitter battle for Independence from Spain just a few decades earlier. (Santa Anna had to enslave Mayan Indians as soldiers as he traveled north to fight the Alamo). This "batalla" for Independence left the nation politically, economically and militarily weak. Further, it was the Central power's internal struggle that actually invited Maximiliano in. They were the conservatives who had lost power as a result of la Guerra de la Reforma ( 1857-1860). There was a strong feeling from some elitist that we needed a strong central power, as in absolute power - and they thought Maximiliano could be manipulated to serve their interest. But Maximilian actually upheld Benito Juarez's vision of land reforms, and unfortunately, his idealisism eventually backfired because the country was not economically ready. Esperanza
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Guillermo,
Here's a piece I sent to Joseph off-line a while back. As you will see General Santa Ana loved to punish the states by dividing and conquering just as in your piece of history about Aguascalientes.
Tlachichila is in La Sierra de Nochistlan, the last town in the area. It's 7,230 ft above sea level so it's at the highest point of that Sierra. There's a quote in Nochistlan's bio that says this is a small region and rather isolated. There was a famous battle with the French so for those who say the french did not settle here or come near this area they are wrong. Nochistlan de Mejia as it is known was named after General Mejia who led the defeat of the french invading army.
Nochistlan is in the southernmost region of Zacatecas and at one time it was part of Jalisco. General Santa Ana in retribution to the leaders of this region for not supporting him, punished the citizens of Nochistlan by changing the boundaries. He made it fit within the state of Zacatecas. On the Northern border of Nochistlan is Teocaltiche Jalisco about an hour away and on the south is Yahaulica Jalisco also about an hour away.
Also in the town's bio is a quote that says, due to the high Mountainous region, the isolation of this area and the small size, it is thought that most everyone is inter-related after several centuries of intermarriages between the families. "Go Figure, I knew that". Based on all that I've heard and read we who come from those towns are each other's primos several times over. No wonder we're crazy!
Alicia
Guillermo Valdez <valhdez@...> wrote:
The story of Mexico during the 1800's was a constant
fight among two factions: the "Federalistas" (who
seeked more freedom for states to govern themselves)
and the "Centralistas" (who wanted the power in Mexico
City having more control over the states). At one
point, Zacatecas stood as Federalista and Santa Anna's
"Centralista" government punished the state by taking
a chunk of the state and creating the tiny state of
Aguscalientes.
This strong division during the 19th Century presented
a weaker Mexico to invasions (hence the two biggest
defeats of that time by the U.S. in the 1840's, where
we lost have of our territory and by France in the
1860's, where we had to suffer a european emperor,
Maximiliano, enforced by a french army, until Napoleon
(the III) recall the army and Maximiliano was
executed).
Guillermo
Valdez
--- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> A little bit of history....
> These two states are not only next to each other,
> Aguascalientes was once part of Zacatecas!
> Approximately in 1845, the President, or dictator,
> of
> Mexico, Santa Ana, punished Zacatecas for being to
> independent by taking Aguascalientes away from them.
>
>
> There was a liberal movement in Zacatecas against
> Santa Ana led by Francisco Garcia Salinas, an
> ancestor
> from Jerez, that antagonized Santa Ana. So he
> punished
> them by taking away Aguascalientes from them and
> making it a state.
>
> Poor Mexico, this was just one of the many disasters
> that would happen to Mexico and its people for the
> next 160 years.
>
> Alberto Duarte Prieto.
> --- MGM8938@... wrote:
>
> > Dear Angie:
> >
> > Whoever you are...wow...wow..wow!!!
> >
> > Thank you so much. Short note, I accidently found
> > all these ancestors in
> > Salt Lake City. When I put in the state I put
> Aguas
> > instead of Zac...which is
> > what I was always told that the Alvares came
> > from....well...as we know Zac and
> > Aguas are close....on the map...this is how I
> found
> > so many
> > generations.....very good.
> >
> > I am so excited......
> >
> > Mickey
> >
>
>
>
>
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The story of Mexico during the 1800's was a constant fight among two factions: the "Federalistas" (who seeked more freedom for states to govern themselves) and the "Centralistas" (who wanted the power in Mexico City having more control over the states). At one point, Zacatecas stood as Federalista and Santa Anna's "Centralista" government punished the state by taking a chunk of the state and creating the tiny state of Aguscalientes. This strong division during the 19th Century presented a weaker Mexico to invasions (hence the two biggest defeats of that time by the U.S. in the 1840's, where we lost have of our territory and by France in the 1860's, where we had to suffer a european emperor, Maximiliano, enforced by a french army, until Napoleon (the III) recall the army and Maximiliano was executed). Guillermo Valdez --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote: > A little bit of history.... > These two states are not only next to each other, > Aguascalientes was once part of Zacatecas! > Approximately in 1845, the President, or dictator, > of > Mexico, Santa Ana, punished Zacatecas for being to > independent by taking Aguascalientes away from them. > > > There was a liberal movement in Zacatecas against > Santa Ana led by Francisco Garcia Salinas, an > ancestor > from Jerez, that antagonized Santa Ana. So he > punished > them by taking away Aguascalientes from them and > making it a state. > > Poor Mexico, this was just one of the many disasters > that would happen to Mexico and its people for the > next 160 years. > > Alberto Duarte Prieto. > --- MGM8938@... wrote: > > > Dear Angie: > > > > Whoever you are...wow...wow..wow!!! > > > > Thank you so much. Short note, I accidently found > > all these ancestors in > > Salt Lake City. When I put in the state I put > Aguas > > instead of Zac...which is > > what I was always told that the Alvares came > > from....well...as we know Zac and > > Aguas are close....on the map...this is how I > found > > so many > > generations.....very good. > > > > I am so excited...... > > > > Mickey > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo
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A little bit of history.... These two states are not only next to each other, Aguascalientes was once part of Zacatecas! Approximately in 1845, the President, or dictator, of Mexico, Santa Ana, punished Zacatecas for being to independent by taking Aguascalientes away from them. There was a liberal movement in Zacatecas against Santa Ana led by Francisco Garcia Salinas, an ancestor from Jerez, that antagonized Santa Ana. So he punished them by taking away Aguascalientes from them and making it a state. Poor Mexico, this was just one of the many disasters that would happen to Mexico and its people for the next 160 years. Alberto Duarte Prieto. --- MGM8938@... wrote: > Dear Angie: > > Whoever you are...wow...wow..wow!!! > > Thank you so much. Short note, I accidently found > all these ancestors in > Salt Lake City. When I put in the state I put Aguas > instead of Zac...which is > what I was always told that the Alvares came > from....well...as we know Zac and > Aguas are close....on the map...this is how I found > so many > generations.....very good. > > I am so excited...... > > Mickey > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo
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