Hello Janet.

I think I had contact with you in the past. I am sorry to tell you, 
but my Cervantes ancestors are all from the Zacoalco area (Santa 
Catarina, San Marcos, Atotonilco el Bajo, San Andres, Los Pozos). 
Also, I strongly believe that my Ramirez line is from El Crucero, a 
town close to Zacoalco.

However, I do have ancestors from Atenguillo and Acatitlan, which is 
close to Guachinango. My family surnames from this area are Curiel, 
Diaz, Pena, and Casares, but I have not researched these lines a lot. 
Something interesting that I have noticed is that everytime I know of 
someone researching this area, they all have a Curiel branch on their 
family tree. I bet that you do, too. Once, when I was checking a 
baptism book from Atenguillo, I noticed that "Curiel" was one of the 
most common surnames in the index. Up to this date I have confirmed a 
family tie to only one other Curiel researcher, but I am confident 
that all the Curieles around this area descend from a single ancestor.

Let me know what you think about it.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Iglesias" <reynavaleria@h...> 
wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> I was reading your entry and wondering if there was a connection. 
My grandmother maiden name was Cervantes Castrejon and was raised in 
Manzanillo, Colima. Her fathers name was Pedro Cervantes. I also have 
Ramirez in the family tree from my fathers side "Iglesias" from 
Guachinango, Jalisco and my mother side "Ramirez" is from Coahuila 
(we think).
> 
> Please let me know.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Janet
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: sgapodaca 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:06 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Names
> 
> 
>   Hello. During my research, I once found a record of an 
illegitimate 
>   child just by chance. I was checking the baptisms in Atotonilco 
el 
>   bajo/santa clara, Jalisco of children with the last name 
Cervantes. 
>   Most of them were not related to me, but I found a girl whose 
last 
>   name was Cervantes. she was the illegitimate daughter of a woman 
with 
>   the last name Hernandez and of my greatgrandfather's brother 
Bacilio 
>   Apodaca. However, she was not named neither Apodaca or Hernandez. 
>   Why? Because in the record it showed that this child was not 
claimed 
>   by the father, but by the paternal grandmother, Guadalupe 
Cervantes. 
>   So, in this case, the child inherited the paternal's 
grandmother's 
>   maiden surname. 
> 
>   I believe there's not a standard about naming illegitimate 
children, 
>   since my second great grandfather Evaristo Ramirez kept the last 
name 
>   of his father, even though he was a natural child.
> 
>   --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "alice_wissing" 
<alice_wissing@y...> 
>   wrote:
>   > While looking at the International Genealogical Index I came 
across 
>   > an ancestor possibly having a child with a woman other than his 
>   wife 
>   > during the late 1700's.  The child carried the father's last 
name 
>   > only (no mother's name attached at the end)and only the 
mother's 
>   > first name was listed.  I was under the impression an 
illegitimate 
>   > child never used his father's last name, so this confused me.
>   > 
>   > I've ordered a copy of the entry from the History Center, but 
it 
>   > will take weeks for me to receive it.  In the meantime, does 
anyone 
>   > know if there were strict standards regarding an illegitimate 
>   > child's use of a father's last name?  And also, why would only 
a  
>   > first name be listed for a mother?  I see this all the time 
while 
>   > perusing the IGI.  
>   > 
>   > Thanks,
>   > 
>   > Alicia
> 
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