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From: sgapodaca
[mailto:sgapodaca@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:17
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re:
Menudo and nopales?

Indeed, menudo and pozole is
part of my maternal family history.
Probably my great-grandmother Ambrosia
Frias (she died before I was
born, but my older brothers and sisters knew
her and tell me that she
was a wonderful woman, they call her Bochita),
learned her cooking
from her mother Pascuala Aguilar, but I am not so sure
about it. I am
going to Zacoalco on January and ask my grandma about it.
However,
this could go even two generations before my great-grandmother

because Bochita, according to my grandma, used to refer a lot to a

woman she called "Mi Jacobita". Later on my research, I found that my

great-grandmother's grandmother,(my third great grandmother?) was

named Jacoba Castro.

I completely agree that we must ask our
viejitos about the family
personal history. On 2000, my great grandmother
Elena Curiel died at
age 100. I never had a close relationship with her.
Today, I hit my
head on the wall every time I think about all the stories,
names,
events, and stuff that went away to the grave along with her. I

learned my lesson, and now I try to spend lots of time talking with

both of my grandmothers. Also, my father knows a lot of stuff from
his
dad, and we usually spend hours talking about those stories while
arguing
about our different political views (we both love politics,
and our
beliefs are totally opposed, but still we have a great time

talking).

And Joseph, you are always invited to eat menudo at Fonda
Dona Mago
in Zacoalco, if you ever visit this town. You invited me to join
this
group, so I guess that the least I could do. Just let me know to tell

my parents in advance. Another member from this group visited
Zacoalco
recently and as soon as I found out I called my father so
that he could
invite him lunch and take him to some places in
Zacoalco and
Catarina.

Saludos a todos,

Steve G. Apodaca Tapia Gomez Curiel
Martinez Frias de Albiano y Ursua.



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ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>

> Wow cool, I can just taste the Menudo and the history you related

makes
> me really think. Now your Great Grandmother had to learn
her
culinary
> skills from someone. . .maybe her mom? Reasonable
assumption
wouldn't
> you say. I'd just love to learn why some
recipes came
about. . .meaning
> the social forces at work at
different time periods. Maybe at
certain
> times there was an
abundance of hominy but no pigs and some of the
> different recipes
started to develope. I wish we could find history
> books that might
trace the food from the specific areas of "our"
> research. Also I'd
love to read more about the diseases that
plagues our
> areas. . .I
remember looking over the death records for Santa Maria
de
> Los
Angeles and found a group of over 100 people in a row that died
of

> Cholera in the 1830's. I could only imagine the horror of living

there
> at that time with disease all around you. I also read about
some of
the
> horrific earth quakes that destroyed many of the
iglesias in the
late
> 1700's. Surely times of terrible agony and
sorrow over loss of life
for
> our families of yesteryear.
Genealogy is more than just names. .
> .genealogy is the history that
is associated with those names and
the
> things that our families
went through and sacrificed to give us our
> heritage. Tengo Amor de mi
Sangre!
>
> joseph
>
> ps: so who is going to invite
me over for some menudo?
>
> sgapodaca wrote:
>
>
>Hello to everyone. What's going on with all this talk about menudo

> >and nopales? I thought this was a genealogy group, not a cooking

> >book................................I'm just kidding.
>
>
> >By the way, in Jalisco we also cook white menudo, not only
the red
> >one. The last messages brought my attention because
menudo as well
as
> >pozole is closely related to my family
history.
> >
> >You see, my mom Margarita Tapia lives in
Jalisco, Zacoalco de
Torres,
> >and she owns a restaurant where
one of her specialties is menudo.
> >Fonda Dona Mago, if you ever go
to Zacoalco.
> >
> >A generation back, her mom, my grandma
Manuela Martinez, was also
> >known because of the delicious menudo
she made. Even today, some
old
> >folks refer to my mom's menudo
as "el menudo de Manuela", even
though
> >she has been retired
for more than a decade.
> >
> >And this doesn't stop with my
grandma, because her mother, my
great-
> >grandmother Ambrosia
Frias Aguilar, was also famous for her
> >restaurant and especially
for her pozole. A couple years ago, my
> >mother saw an old
photograph from Zacoalco's old mercado. This
> >photograph belonged
to someone else outside our family, but my
mother
> >bought it
from this person because in it there's a sign that
> >reads
"Cenaduria Bochita". That was the name of my
greatgrandmother's
>
>restaurant, and up until then, my family did not have any picture
of

> >it.
> >
> >Well, it is just a comment.
>
>
> >About the poll, I think it shoud stay the same. I submitted
my
family
> >tree a while back in pdf format, but I have found
new ancestors,
so
> >I'll put an updated version of this file
soon. I don't know if you
> >agree, but I think pdf is a cool format
if you want to show your
tree
> >to other people. It lists your
direct ancestors, the surnames, the
> >places of origin, and you can
move around it with the little hand
> >tool. What do you think of
this format?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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