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Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:26 PM
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Subject: Somos Primos August 2013 155th online issue

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2013/spaug13/spaug13.htm

Dear Friends and Family:

I have exciting news to share about the National Museum of the Latino Community. A featured session which I attended at the 2013 NCLR conference in New Orleans was entitled: The Making of America: Untold Stores from American Latino History. The panel was assembled under the auspices of the PBS Project, Latino Americans, a three-part, six-hour documentary series set to air nationally in the fall.

Description of the panel:
Despite a 500-year presence in North America, Latino culture, heritage, and history are severely underrepresented in educational curriculum, historic landmarks, and cultural institutions. National groups are working intently to uncover, document, and bring forward the many contributions that Hispanic Americans have made to this country since its formation.

Since most Latino activism has focused on issues of education, employment, medical needs, immigration, etc.it was of particular interest to note attention being paid to our history. The main topic which kept repeating itself throughout the panel discussion was the need for public family stories written from the Latino perspective.
Estuardo Rodriguez and Maria Cardona, both members of the Friends of the American Latino Museum, and Eduardo Diaz, Executive Director of the Smithsonian Latino Center pleaded for personal family stories to be written and shared.

Since I had already decided that in 2014, Somos Primos was going to move towards an even more heavy emphasis on personal and family histories, I was delighted.

I hope all of us can support the National Museum of the Latino Community by starting now to collect, compile, write or record our memories The Smithsonian wants YOUR memories in preparation for the Museum's projected archives.

Let me recommend a system which got me started writing my personal stories, First Writes, based on slotting sentences. Go to the Somos Primos website and scroll down to Write Your Own Personal History with First Writes.
Naturally Somos Primos wants your cuentos too.
Your experiences matter . .
Your perspective matters . .

Your stories matter . .
You matter . .

Sincerely, Mimi
www.SomosPrimos.com
714-894-8161

Table of Contents, August 2013

UNITED STATES
The Making of America: Untold Stories from American Latino History, NCLR panel Share a Family Memory, online session of the Making of America Spanish Immigrants in the United States The Early Spanish Presence in Hawaii The Early Spanish Presence in Guam The Early Spanish Presence in Nebraska Editor Mimi shares briefly, her heritage lineage in/to the United States Wives' Names Stake Out Middle Ground

WITNESS TO HERITAGE
Lessons that Papa Taught Me by Wanda Garcia A photographer should peer through a partisan lens by David Bacon Names Emerge from the Shadows of 1948 Crash

CELEBRATING HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH
Link to full report to the White House on the proposed National Latino Musuem Somos Primos Resource for the Classroom Diverse Origins: The Nation’s 14 Largest Hispanic-Origin Groups Hispanics Breaking Barriers, Index to both, 1st and 2nd Series

ERASING HISTORIC REALITY
Count José de Escandón versus Monsieur René de La Salle By José Antonio López

HISPANIC LEADERS
Raymond Rodriguez Dies at 87, March 26, 1926 ~ June 24, 2013 Dr. Marta Sotomayor ~ June 24, 2013 John J. Lopez, dies at November 11, 1951 ~ July 2, 2013

NATIONAL ISSUES
Limericks by F.R. Duplantier
Tragic statistics of African Americans murdered in the US.
Voice of the Mainland, LULAC Bog

HEALTH ISSUES

Suicides Soaring Among Boomers
Diabetes and Latinos
Los Alamitos Students Tackle Life Before Death Reading can help preserve memory skills as we grow older.

EDUCATION
Bilingual Children Have a Two-Tracked Mind Are bilingual Brains better? Ask your neighborhood neuroscientist By David Rogers OjoOido-Academics Improbable Scholars: The Rebirth of a Great American School System and a Strategy for America's Schools by David L. Kirp

CULTURE
The Traditions of Writing Calaveras
The Music of Crimson Rose

Hola a todos:

Estoy muy contento, porque hace un par de días publiqué un tema de foro titulado "Linaje Aranda". Afortunadamente, traté de buscarle por otros lados y encontré una hermana de mi ancestro, cuyos padres no los encontraba en ningún lado. Total, que en un acta encuentro el verdadero apellido de mi antepasada Josefa, quién no era ni Ribera ni Acuña, sino Ortiz, ya con este dato encontré su acta de matrimonio con Antonio Roque de Aranda y Salas. Por Aranda, entronco de nuevo con la ciudad de Aguascalientes. Por Aranda, llegó hasta Esteban de Aranda, casado con Josefa González Ramírez, en Aguascalientes, el 31 de Diciembre de 1714, ya no pude continuar dicho apellido, ya que Esteban está como hijo de padres no conocidos.

Ahora, lo que quería pedirles su apoyo en esta ocasión, ya que estoy muy ansioso por continuar esta parte de mi árbol, es por lo padres de la citada Josefa González Ramírez, que lo fueron Salvador González y Catalina Ramírez y Ruiz de Esparza. De ellos no tengo acta de matrimonio, pero sí las fechas en que murieron (Salvador en 1710 en Aguascalientes y Catalina en 1747 en Aguascalientes, dice el acta de defunción que es viuda de Salvador González e hija de Juan Ramírez y Luisa de Esparza). Si alguien tiene información de cualquiera de las personas antes mencionadas lo agradecería mucho.

Lo segundo, es una dispensa que sé que se encuentra en el libro de Luz Montejano, pero yo no tengo dicho libro por lo que sí alguien pudiera hacerme el favor de transcribirme la dispensa de Francisco de Salas con María Catalina Díaz, por un parentesco de segundo con tercero grado de consanguinidad y fechada me parece que el 18 de Octubre de 1717 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Ya que busco a los padres de Gertrudis Díaz aka Hernández, casada con Patricio Salas. Igualmente si alguien tiene datos de estos Salas que vivían en Lagos y en Aguascalientes también lo apreciaría mucho.

Gracias por sus atenciones.
Saludos.

Revisando la Capellania fundada por mi 8vo abuelo el Capitan Nicolas Sánchez-Castellanos adverti que algunos datos de la historia de Monte Escobedo no concuerdan, Nicolas obtiene en 1689 de Juan de Escobedo varios sitios de ganado mayor y varias caballerías en 1717 funda la capellanía sobre las tierras de su Hacienda Santa Rosa de Viterbo (hoy solo un pequeño rancho),esta capellanía es lo que hoy es la Ex Hacienda de Santa Teresa y el capellan asignado fue su nieto Br Juan de Escobedo y Sánchez-Castellanos hijo del Cap. Antonio de Escobedo y Valenzuela y de Rosa Sánchez-Castellanos, en el testamento Nicolas asigan a sus hijos una cantidad cercana a los 5000 pesos a cada uno y especifica todas sus propiedades y pertenencias, dicha capellanía debía dar 25 misas rezadas al año y celebrar 5 celebraciones especiales para San Antonio de Padua, San Francisco de Asis, San Juan Bautista, Santa Rosa y San Nicolas de Tolentino. Rosa al parecer hereda la propiedad donde su hijo era capellan y junto con su esposo Antonio Administran la propiedad.

El nombre de Hacienda de Santa Teresa comienza a aparecer en los documentos de bautizos y muertes en los 1720´s y por el momento no hay ningún documento que yo conozca que la Hacienda de Santa Teresa ya existía (tal vez propiedad de los Escobedo).

En base a las búsquedas tengo la certeza de que la cuna de los Sánchez-Castellanos fue Tepechitlan,Zacatecas, después de una diáspora a finales del siglo XVII la región que mas Sánchez-Castellanos tuvo fue en San Andres del Astillero (Hoy Monte Escobedo,Zacatecas). Aunque en la zona de Jerez también tuvieron mucho auge económico y en Jerez es donde son mas conocidos por los genealogistas.

Hello my name is Michael, and i am researching information on Antonio de Cuellar who was married to Josefa Macias Valadez. they were married on November 29, 1681 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. I know that Antonio Cuellar lived in "the Sauz de Cuellar". which was a large farm land near the boarder of Jalisco, Mexico and Agauscalientes, Mexico boarder. part of which has now been renovated by the city as a historical area while the remaining was real estate developed. i have information on their children and several generations after. i am hoping to find the parents of antonio de Quellar so i can continue my research.

If anyone is interested in attending this year's conference please be sure
to check the updated flyer. It was uploaded today. There is a new e-mail
address to request a registration form.

I believe the Sheraton hotel is offering a discounted rate to Conference
attendees.

Maria Cortez

thanks to my cousin Vince Lopez from Arizona, I was able to add about 500 more living cousins from my MAYORGA pedigree in our Family Tree! (almost 14,000 total individuals)

the updated DE LEON and CARLOS Family Tree is located at RootsWeb.com under Jalisco Families

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jalisco_fa…

Jose Carlos de Leon

I am trying to locate an archive of the names of spanish galleons that sailed to Mexico during the colonial period.

I know that the term "Flota de Indias" was referred to the Spanish galleons.

While I was trying to find it, I ran across an interesting Capitan name Blas de Lezo who was a Capitan of Spanish Armada and was known as one of the best naval strategic capitans of the Spanish Armada:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blas_de_Lezo

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6788/936o.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6199/thur.jpg

The price will now permanently be $99 for the Family Finder test according
to the blog post at
http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2013/07/family-tree-dna-will-keep…

I would like to think that many of you were the cause of the statement "*We
are happy to announce that the genetic genealogy community responded in a
big way, and thanks to you we are maintaining the price of the Family
Finder test at $99."

*
As a reminder, in order to make this useful to us we need as many
participants as possible. So if you know of any one that would be willing
to participate but hasn't please send them the following link -

http://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx

Regards,
Armando

I was reading a blog:

http://www.miguelberumen.blogspot.com/

Which talks about history of Villa de Xerez and has a map of the year 1772:

http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/594/n2kx.jpg

Also talks about the migration of the Berumen family to Zacatecas, Mexico?

And in the blog it mentions that in Villa de Xerex around the year 1802, there was a very beautiful woman named: María Emerenciancia de la Torre who has pretty green eys and long hair and this is painting of her:

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9268/avjb.jpg

"Por la calle cerrada de la Parroquia vivía en ese entonces, una hermosa dama, ya treintañera, que por causa de sus celosos y bravucones hermanos no se había casado. De grandes ojos verdes y largo pelo que brillaba con tintes cobrizos. Integrante de una de las familias de más abolengo en la villa, era más conocida por su apodo que por su nombre, el cual seguramente se lo impuso su padre en un momento de embriaguez: María Emerenciana. Emerenciana de la Torre levantaba los suspiros de los habitantes de la villa, y también de otras villas, pero refrenaban sabiamente sus suspiros al conocer el carácter belicoso de los hermanos. La llamaban “la castaña” refiriéndose al color de su pelo. En la primera misa de ese domingo de abril de 1803"

Hi, Everyone,

I am tracing my ancestry back in Zacoalco de Torres through the 1800s and I got stuck on my great-great-great-grandparents. Here is what I have:

Jose Santos Reynaga b. Abt 1864 m. Cristina Frias b. Abt. 1864
-Maria Concepcion Reynaga b. 21 May 1884, Zacoalco m. Crispiniano Toribio b. Abt 1871, Zacoalco
+Victoria Toribio Reynaga de Ruiz b. 5 Sep1904, Zacoalco
+Jose Alfonso Toribio Reynaga b. 14 Aug 1906, Zacoalco

I need to find parents for both Jose Santos Reynaga and Cristina Frias. I can't find any record of their births or marriage. I've searched many volumes of records from Zacoalco. I do not know if they were born in Zacoalco. I checked the hijos naturales, as well, and still had no luck. There are a few other people across Mexico with similar names, but I am just lost on how to find the next generation back. I estimated their DOB based on their child's DOB.

Also, I can't find a birth or baptism record for Maria Concepcion Reynaga. I found her DOB on her immigration record when she came up to California to visit her daughter Victoria. She lived in Tijuana for a time with Jose Alfonso.

Do any of you have these people in your tree? Can you help me find their records?

Thank you!
Natalie Estrada

The Conferencia Iberoamericana de Genealogia is coming. It is being held at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah on September 9–14, 2013. Presented all in Spanish, the first four days (Monday through Thursday) are for professionals and archivists. Conference events on Friday and Saturday are free and open to the public.

See Family Search Blog to sign up.

Subject: RE: 2013 Conference flyer

Here is the link to the NR site page for the conference:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21475

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com

From: mcortez [mailto:mcortez3@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 5:26 PM

Subject: 2013 Conference flyer

Hello everyone,

I updated the flyer announcing this year's conference. Please share with any
interested parties.

Joseph, would you please publish this on Nuestros Ranchos? I think I had a
problem uploading the flyer last time. Thank you very much.

Maria

Hi, My name is Rich and I am trying to research my heritage. I have been
able to compile some data, but have come to a stop. Any suggestions is
appreciated, below is what I have found so far.

My Father was Jose de Jesus Huizar born abt 1905 and believe came to the US
in 1925. His sisters were Sostenes Huizar unknown birth, Josefina Huizar
born 1910 and Amalia Huizar born 1912, all being from Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico.

I believe their parents were Apolonio Huizar born abt 1874 and Ma Cruz
Flores born abt 1881. I believe Apolonio had a brother named Ygnacio Huizar
which was born abt 1887 (my uncle).

I have found paperwork showing Ynacio's parents were Luis Huizar and
Francisca Salamanca, which would make them my great grandparents. I found
documents showing they were married in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
on Feb 1, 1871. I also found documents showing maybe they had a daughter
named Domitila Huizar which was christened in June of 1879 in San Luis
Obispo, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

I have not been able to locate birth certificates or death certificates to
confirm any of this yet.

Any help or suggestions is appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help, Rich

The conference is in September, and I plan on going (assuming someone checks their email soon!). I was wondering if anyone else from here will be there. Since it starts so early, I'm thinking of going over on Friday night and staying at a hotel (Sacto is a two hour drive for me).

Laura

I he encontrado una record bautismo que enumera el padre como Ramón Becerra, y la los abuelos paternos como Alejandro Becerra y la Aurelia Garcia. Sin embargo, en un documento militar, Ramón aparece como Ramón Franco Becerra. ¿Es probable que él es Ramón Becerra Franco García, y el "Franco" fue parte del apellido de su padre? Estoy teniendo problemas para encontrar cualquier documento adicional sobre Ramón o de sus padres.

I have found a baptism record that lists the father as Ramon Becerra, and the paternal grandparents as Alejandro Becerra and Aurelia Garcia. However, on a military document, Ramon is listed as Ramon Becerra Franco. Is it likely that he's Ramon Becerra Franco Garcia, and the "Franco" was part of his father's surname? I'm having difficulty finding any additional documents about Ramon or his parents.

I can't read much of this, I'd appreciate some help.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15256-5039-5?cc=1804458&wc=M…

It's the next to last entry on the right hand side.

Here's what I have:

Baptism
Name: Christoval Manuel Castañeda
Date: 1 Jan 1709
Father: Hernando de Castañeda
Mother: Antonia Perez

Thank you!
Laura Gonzalez

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15237-5588-25?cc=1804458&wc=…

Hola Edgar, en mis registros encuentro que Juan Hernández Gamiño el que casó con Ana Domínguez de los Inojos cerca de 1660 era hijo de Domingo Hernández Gamiño que casó cerca de 1627 con Juana de la Concepción Gómez Espejo.
Domingo nació por 1595 en Trujillo, Extremadura, Españay murió el 13-oct-1687 en León, Gto.; Juana de la Concepción Gómez Espejo murió el 16-jun-1653 también en León, Gto.
Otro hijo de Domingo llamado Blas casó con una hermana de Ana Domínguez llamada Luisa Domínguez el 19-jul-1654 en Aguascalientes.
Otro hijo de Domingo se llamó Cristóbal el cual casó en León, Gto el 23-feb-1653 con María Ruíz de Velasco y de ellos desciendo yo

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola martha gomez
como estas ? espero que bien
entonces me haces ese favor
para encotrar ese documento
que tanto me hace falta para comprobar
mis lineas
te lo agradeceria mucho amiga
saludos
que tengas un buen dia
bye

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:48:52 -0600
From: Martha Gomez
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Claro que si Edgar,solo que estoy de vacaciones y regreso a casa el pr?ximo
domingo,te lo mando en cuanto llegue.
Saludos,Martha
On Jul 15, 2013 6:27 AM, wrote:

> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola martha gomez
> como estas ? espero que bien
> entonces me haces ese favor
> para encotrar ese documento
> que tanto me hace falta para comprobar
> mis lineas
> te lo agradeceria mucho amiga
> saludos que tengas un buen dia
> bye

Yesterday, my cousin Carlos descendent of Manuel Sánchez-Castellanos de Haro and my family in Jalisco (descendent of Nicolas Sánchez-Castellanos de Haro) had an excellent meeting, we joined for a momento, but after almost 400 years of separation the two families were joined again. I hope anothers members of this big family can join us.

Hi to all,

I've come to the end of several lines and need help going back further. Any leads/help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Info needed on persons in Parentheses ""

"Diego Estrada" m. Antonia Gomez, 20 Oct 1692 in Tepatitilan de Morelos, Jalsico

"Juan Hernández y Gamiño" b.1576 Extremadura, Spain, m. "Anna Velasquez" circa 1599 Extremadura, Spain

"Miguel Domínguez de Espejo" m. "Isabel Gómez Maldonado" circa 1599

"Diego de Velasco" m. "Francisca de Biebiesca" circa 1600

Pedro Ruiz de Haro y Velasco b. 2 Apr 1599 Asunción Sagrario Metropolitano, Centro, Distrito Federal, Mexico, m. "Ana Núñez Bojórquez"

"Nicolas Rubio" b. circa 1645, m. Dona Catalina de Liebano b. circa 1652, d. 2 Dec 1689 Ayo el Chico

"Diego Antonio Cortes de Arteaga" d. 17 Oct 1701 Tepatitilan de Morelos, Jalsico,
m. "Magarita Gomez de Espejo" in 1669 Ayo el Chico, Nueva Galicia, Mexico

"Juan Asewncio de Leon" b. 1603 Tangancícuaro, Michoacán, Mexico, m. Dona Geronima de Liebana in Michoacan, Mexico

"Alvaro Maciel" m. Isabel de Orosco circa 1600

"Joseph De Puga" m. "Yfigina Quintero" in 10 Feb 1728 Tepatitilan de Morelos, Jalsico

"Luis Antonio Franco" m. "Anna Maria Velasquez" circa 1750

"Juan Manuel Placencia" m. "Dolores Baldivia" circa 1790~1795

"Juan Jose Ynigues" m. Rosalia (Last Name?) circa 1790~1795

"Juan Jose Ramires" m. "Maria de la Cruz Perez" circa 1790~1795

"Francisco de Anda" m. Juana De Sebedra b. 21 Jan 1698 SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS, LAGOS DE MORENO, JALISCO, MEXICO

"Antonio De Saiabedra" m. "Juana De La Cruz" circa 1690~1695

Joseph Ygnacio de Anda b. 24 Feb 1726 Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico, m. "Ana Maria De Aguilera" circa. 1750

"Diego Jose Dias" m. "Maria Felipa Delgadillo" circa. 1750

"Juan Delgadillo" m. "Mariana Gonzales" circa 1830

"Ygnasio Beserra" m. "Refugio Chavez" circa 1830

"Miguel Ramos" b. 1870?, m. "Petra Guerra" b. 1879?

Help on any of these would be great. Also, if any of these names sound familiar within your tree please feel free to ask for info on their children. Some of which I have.

JoeM

Hola a todos:

Estoy buscando esta informacion:

1- PADRON de la Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos y su Jurisdiccion Parroquial, levantado en el año 1676
2-PADRON ECLESIASTICO de la misma Villa, levantado en el año 1680
3- CUALQUIER documentacion ORIGINAL,(especialmente arrendamientos / ventas) relativo a la: "Hacienda de San Nicolas de Chapultepeque" (despues llamada. "de San Nicolas DE LA CANTERA) Hacienda que hacia los años 1650 fue propiedad de los Padres de la Compañia de Jesus.
4-TESTAMENTO del Arrendatario de la citada Hacienda: Simon Baez, (Casado con Ma. de Lacerda) quien murio el 14 diciembre 1659
5- Cualquier informacion de la familia BAEZ alrededor del año 1600, cuando parece que llego a la Villa, la citada familia BAEZ

Agradecere cualquier informacion, MUY ESPECIALMENTE donde encontrar los originales de los PADRONES solicitados.

Gracias. Saludos!!

R. Baez

Has anyone been able to find from which side of the family did Ana Francisca and Maria Gabay got their surname? I have tried to find that surname among Spanish surnames with little success. However, I have found that Gabay or Gabai is a Jewish surname. Further I learned that Gabay is a person that performs duties similar to an usher. Here is a description:

"In Judaism, a person who helps to organize the running of a synagogue service; one or more gabai may be involved. Duties include welcoming visitors, ensuring that everyone has a siddur (prayer book), organizing the seating arrangements, and choosing the congregants who will open the ark or read from the Torah. The gabai will also ensure that the wine is present for the kiddush, a prayer recited over wine before it is shared by the congregation."

Any ideas?

Jaime

HOLA
ALGUIEN SABE CUAL ES LA RELACION DE JUAN HERNANDEZ FALLECIDO 1681 AGUASCALIENTES ESPOSO DE ANA DOMINGUES DE LOS INOJOS CON LOS HERNANDEZ GAMINO?

ENCONTRE VARIOS COMENTARIOS EN ESTA PAGINA SOBRE ESTA FAMILIA DONDE SE MENCIONA QUE JUAN HERNANDEZ ES HIJO DE CRISTOBAL HERNANDEZ GAMINO Y ESTE DE DOMINGO HERNANDEZ GAMINO,
PERO NO CONOZCO LA RELACION CON LOS HERNANDEZ GAMINO.

EXISTE ALGUN DOCUMENTO DONDE SE PUEDA PROBAR SI JUAN HERNANDEZ DESCIENDE DE LOS HERNANDEZ GAMINO?

YO DESCIENDO DE JUAN HERNANDEZ Y DE ANA DOMINGUEZ DE LOS INOJOS HIJA DEL CAPITAN PEDRO ALONSO DE LOS INOJOS Y DE ANA DOMINGUEZ (BAUT 1639) AGUASCALIENTES

SALUDOS

I've run into an Iron Curtain with my 4th GGF Diego Martin Flores. He was born probably abt 1730 and died 27 Jul 1808 in Colotlan. He married my 4th GGM Gertrudis Leano. de la Torre (Montelongo)who died 15 Feb 1772 in Colotlan. I believe their fist child was Jose Agapito Flores b. 15 Mar 1754 in Colotlan, Jalisco. Together they had 8 children that I know of.

Diego Martin Flores remarried on 3 Jul 1772 Colotlan with Maria Felipa De La Encarnacion Enriquez naturale child of Maria Manuela De La Luz Enriquez. Felipa has been referred occassionally with "De Mier" surname. Together with Diego Martin Flores they had at least 10 children with the eldest Juan Paulino Flores b. Jul 1773 in Colotlan.

I have looked at Diego's photo-film records of his 18 children's baptisms, his death record, his marriage record with Felipa and there is no mention of who his parents were. I even looked for a photo-record marriage testamony prior to his marriage with Felipa BUT could not find one.

I've tried several parishes from Zacatecas and Jalisco but came up empty.
Does anyone out there have any suggestions??

Hi,
I am having problems reading this document specifically the names of the brides parents. Is there someone who can help me? I truly appreciate the work this forum is doing. Thank you for you help.
Anita Rodriguez

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-65953-5?cc=1874591&wc=…