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Can anyone help me, with el Archivo General de la nacion, How to use it, i find it very confusing. Thanks.

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Using Guia General de Archivo General de la Nacion

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Daniel:

The only way that I have used the Guia General (with some success) is simply doing a text search of the document description. You can do so by:

- Going to the link I previosuly posted: http://www.agn.gob.mx/guiageneral/

- Click on "Guia General" from the top menu in the red bar, then on "Contenido de la Guia" (Content of the Guide)

- The lower part of the window will split into two frames. On the bottom of the left hand frame there is a button that reads "Buscar." Click on this button.

- Search fields will appear in the upper part of the left hand frame. Select the default "Alcance y Contenido" (Scope and Content). You can also search by title or date, but unless you know exactly what you are looking for I don't see how these are useful.

- Scroll down a bit to find the field labeled "Palabras a buscar" (Words to search) and type in your search criteria. For example, I simply typed "Colotlan" to get any document that mentioned Colotlan in the description and found a

Ojo de Agua and Catarina Jauregui Revisted

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This is an answer to an old question I had about the origin of Catarina Jauregui, a search tip and some thank yous. I think I have found the answer to Ojo de Agua on the Marriage of Catarina Jauregui and Julian Alviso. Ojo de Agua was a rancho in the jurisdiction of Tepatitlan.

LA CROIX, JALISCO

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Is anyone on the list researching the La Croix area which is close to
Cd. Guzman and Tonaya? If so and and if you are interested I've got a
person doing Chavez research that is not a member of the group.

"Discovering the Maya" and "10 Presidents"

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There is new content on the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com site:

1) In the Archaeology section hear a very high caliber presentation by
Dr. George Stuart titled, "Discovering the Maya":
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/archeology.html#dm

New Online Catalogue of Archivo General de la Nacion

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The Archivo General de la Nacion in Mexico City has put its revised and more complete catalogue online. One is now able to search through content in a much simpler manner than in the previous ARGENA III database. There is a left hand frame with all of the search results organized by collection and descriptions of the documents appear on the right hand frame when a document is clicked.

Surnames Researching:*

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in the application for membership there is one area needing
clarification because so so so so many new applicants are not putting in
the correct information: "Surnames Researching:**"

Can you all think of a very short phrase that would convey the message

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Surnames researching

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The following 2, for your consideration:

Surnames of interest
Surnames of primary interest

Efrain

Surnames Researching:*

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Dear Joseph--

With some people, perhaps what would work best, would
be to give an example of exactly what you needed. For
instance:

Surnames--Barrera, Cholico, Duenas, Sepulveda, in
Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, for years of 1765-1929.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane

--- Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> in the application for membership there is one area
> needing
> clarification because so so so so many new
> applicants are not putting in
> the correct information: "Surnames Researching:**"
>
> Can you all think of a very short phrase that would
> convey the message
> that in this area the new applicant needs to insert
> the surnames they
> are researching?
>
> thanks for your help with this.
>
> joseph
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American
> History Podcast)
>
>
> *

Surnames Researching

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Joseph
How about something more easily understood for those genealogists just starting out and also make it slightly more commanding such as:

Please list the last names of the people you are researching:

Then also use Patricia's suggestion of an example.

Surnames Researching:*

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Joseph,

Perhaps in parenthesis you can add (last names). Sometimes when talking with people as in family members or friends who are not into genealogy or family research and I use the term "surname" they will ask, what's a surname. Many people don't know what a surname is.

Alicia
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:31:42 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surnames Researching:*

in the application for membership there is one area needing
clarification because so so so so many new applicants are not putting in
the correct information: "Surnames Researching:**"

Can you all think of a very short phrase that would convey the message
that in this area the new applicant needs to insert the surnames they
are researching?

thanks for your help with this.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)

Research classes

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Announcements and Events

Hello All,

Several weeks ago, I posted a announcement about a weekly Hispanic/Mexican Research class, that I would be teaching. Several of you stated an interest in taking the class.

I just wanted to let you know, that the classes have started. They are being taught Sunday evenings at 7:15pm to 7:45pm (MST). Then from 8:00pm to 11:00 pm (MST) I am answering questions.

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Research classes

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Hi Jonathan

I have a problem in my search.

My grandmother left my grandfather in the year of around 1914 from Mexico City. My gramdparents were never married. My mother was the first born and she was born in Chih. Chih in 1905. My grandfather regestered her as his child and my grandmother. He was a philarmonico and single and named my mother Elena Mitre. He gave her his last name.

He was hired to play at the teatro lydico in Mexico City. This is where my problem begans. They moved there so that he could start working playing his violin.

There were 5 children born to them, my mother, Jesus , Alejandro, Manuel and Antonia. Manuel died when my aunt Antonia was around 1 year old. It was during the war and my grandfather didn't allow my grandmother to attend the burial, so I was told.

When she left my grandfather, my mother was around 10 years old and she never saw him again. My grandmother came to El Paso TX where her mother was waiting for her and the children.

My aunt

Research classes

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Mary,

Let me do so checking, and get back to you.

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research classes
Date: 04/15/07 16:36

> Hi Jonathan
>
> I have a problem in my search.
>
> My grandmother left my grandfather in the year of around 1914 from Mexico
City. My gramdparents were never married. My mother was the first born and
she was born in Chih. Chih in 1905. My grandfather regestered her as his
child and my grandmother. He was a philarmonico and single and named my
mother Elena Mitre. He gave her his last name.
>
> He was hired to play at the teatro lydico in Mexico City. This is where
my problem begans. They moved there so that he could start working playing
his violin.
>
> There were 5 children born to them, my mother, Jesus , Alejandro, Manuel
and Antonia. Manuel died when my aunt Antonia was around 1 year old. It was
during the war and my grandfather didn't

http://www.guiaroji.com.mx/listado_colonias/?letra=P&ciudad=1&pagina=10

Peralvillo

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Mary,

Peralvillo is not a town or a municipality and therefore it would not be listed in the LDS catalogues. It is instead a "colonia" (neighborhood) in the Delegacion (Burrough) of Cuahtemoc. Below is a descrption of the colonia from the Delgacion Cuahtemoc website.

You can go to Guia Roji and look it up. Basically you would need to find the comisaria of the Federal District that kept vital records for that colonia and/or the name of the local neighborhood church which is probably listed in the FHL catalogue under Mexico City. Mexico City vital records, from what I understand, are very good and can be ordered online.

Oficina Central del Registro Civil de la Ciudad de México
Arcos de Belén s/n esq. Dr. Andrade Col. Doctores Del. Cuauhtémoc C.P. 06720 México, D.F.
Teléfono: 55 78 71 40
http://www.consejeria.df.gob.mx/rcivil/juzgados.html

Colonia Peralvillo

Límites: al sur, Juventino Rosas; al norte

http://directorio.arquidiocesismexico.org.mx/Modulo_Parroquias/Busqueda…

Peralvillo II

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Looking at the Mexico City archdiocese website, I found the following two churches in Peralvillo:

Parroquia San Martín de Porres Ex-Hipódromo de Peralvillo IV 3
Parroquia Santísima Trinidad y Nuestra Señora del Refugio Peralvillo IV 3

Parroquia Santísima Trinidad y Nuestra Señora del Refugio
Felipe Villanueva Esq. Tamagno Número: 154
Colonia Peralvillo CP: 06220
Delegación Cuauhtémoc
México, D.F.
Teléfono: 5517-4580

Originario de?

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Perdonen la pregunta,
¿pero por qué dicen con tanta confianza que un apellido es "originario de" alguna ciudad o rancho? Los antepasados de cualquier persona probablemente tenían el mismo apellido y probablemente vinieron de otro lugar o hasta de España (por decir algún país Europeo).

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Apellidos Comunes

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Lorenzo:

Para nada eres el unico de tener ese "problema" de llevar un apellido que es una palabra comun. El mio es Ramos y como te imaginas tambien es bastante comun.

Cuando hablamos de que el apellido es "originario" de tal y tal lugar (por lo menos la mayoria de este grupo) nos referimos a donde primero aparecio el apellido dentro de nuestra region y donde parece aunestar el nucleo de personas con ese apellido.

La genealogia y la heraldia, aunque relacionadas no van mano en mano. Es decir llevar un apellido no es ser descendiente de una persona de ese apellido. Mi linea estrictamente paterna cambia de Ramos a Arazazu a fines de los 1700s y luego a Barreda a fines de los 1600s y peor hay un hijo adoptado que quiere decir que geneticamente no soy Barreda.

En Mexico suele haber apellidos cuyos linajes parecen haber originado en Mexico con familias indigenas o africanas que no llevaban anteriormente apellidos o mas bien que cambiaron sus apellidos de idioma indigena al castellano

Originario de?

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Hola Lorenzo:

Por supuesto que no eres el único con el problema del seguimiento de los
apellidos y lo que dices me perece correcto, el mismo apellido, no significa
que las personas que lo llevan vengan del mismo antepasado lejano. Sean
palabras comunes o no. En mi caso, tengo problemas para encontrar las
raices de mi padre, porque en su lugar de origen, Milpa Alta, D.F., que
hasta fines del siglo XVI pudo ser dominada por los españoles, los frailes
Franciscanos bautizaron en masa a los habitantes nahuas del lugar y
fungieron como padrinos españoles que dieron su apellido al grupo que
apadrinaron y así de un día para otro hubo en el mismo lugar varios
ROJAS o MEDINA que es mi apellido, que no tenían parentesco alguno.

En cambio por el lado materno, estoy segura de que puedo llegar hasta el
primer NAVARRO que llegó a ese lugar y tal vez más lejos, pues mi abuelo
solía decirnos, "si es NAVARRO o ACEVES de Tepatitlán, Jal., es pariente
nuestro" y es que las primeras 117

Originario de?

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Ojalá que estas dos listas de familias, ayuden a los que buscan sus raices en los Altos de Jalisco.

Las Primeras Familias Españolas en Los Altos de Jalisco
alrededor de 1550
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/primerasfamilias.htm

Evolución Actual de los Apellidos Alteños
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/primerasfamilias.htm#1

Mucha suerte,
Bertha Medina de Boehm

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Historical Weather Records, Mexico

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Joseph:

I don't know what types of weather records might be available for Mexico, especially for the year you specified - 1793. However, it seems to me that military reports for that time period would include weather reports. I don't know where such military reports would be archived, but my guess would be that they are in the national archive of Mexico in DF or in Spain.

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Weather records

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Addendum:
I googled: WEATHER RECORDS MEXICO

Sorry to have left that notation out of message --- that's what happens when one does not proof-read one's messages ... : 0

ncc in VA

NARA Genealogy Fair - A report

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Just a quick note/report on the NARA Genealogy Fair I attended on Wed., Apr 11, at National Archives in Washington, DC.

The theme for the fair: "Buried Biography: Bring 'Em Back to Life" ; this fair focused on Federal records located @ NARA that relate to genealogy, and that CANNOT be researched online (which means one must go to NARA/DC or other NARA facility). If you haven't visited the NARA genealogy site, I recommend doing so - LOTS of good stuff there; this is the URL:

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NARA Genealogy Fair - A report

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do you know if there are historical weather records for Mexico and how
far back they go. I'd love to know the weather for a couple of select
dates for Sombrerete and Colotlan in 1793.

thanks,

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

nc_coleman wrote:
>
> One of the interesting lectures was called "Stormy Weather" - a discussion of how weather effects families, communities, and local economies. Did severe or cataclysmic weather conditions cause families to move from one place to another, etc. (Note: this lecture was a "maiden" lecture - never before presented; we were the guinea pigs for the speakers - but I thought it was a very interesting topic, and provided food for thought. Samples of types of federal records were: 1) Annual Reports of the Surveyors General; 2) federal annual reports of violent ... weather; 3)

Weather info

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Wikipedia has a brief history of the " Servicio Meteorologico Nacional"
which began in 1877...

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] NARA Genealogy Fair - A report

> do you know if there are historical weather records for Mexico and how
> far back they go. I'd love to know the weather for a couple of select
> dates for Sombrerete and Colotlan in 1793.
>
> thanks,
>
> joseph
>

Fwd: Suniga -Luna

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agustin mota wrote: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:21:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: agustin mota
Subject: Suniga -Luna
To:

I am looking for my lost family can you help? The only information i have is oral history. My grandfathers name was Asencion Luna Haro born around 1892 in Cuculiten Jalisco. My great grandfathers name was Crespin Luna he married Severiana Haro both i believe from the same area.my grandmothers name was Clemencia Suniga born around 1910, married at age 13 died at about age20. after there marrige nothing was ever herd about the Suniga elders. My great grandfathers name was Pedro Suniga i was told came from the Tepetongo area.I was told years ago and recently that there had been a fire in Momax and that these records were lost. My aunts have birth certificates but they provided the information so that the certificate could be made.I know this for a fact.So any information will help get started.I am also reaserching Mota,Herrera,Alvares all from the Momax area these names are progresing due to other records.Thank you all Agustin from northern Sonoma county.

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Coculiten

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Joseph/Agustin:

Coculiten is in present days part of the municipality of Momax, Zacatecas, right on the border with Colotlan, Jalisco. Before a seperate parrish was set up in Momax, baptisms from this town were performed in Tlaltenango.

That being said, Agustin, you are right that many of the registro civil records for Momax are missing... i.e. only the following records are filmed by the FHL:

Nacimientos 1876-1882, 1912-1913 -- Matrimonios 1875-1877, 1879-1880, 1885-1887, 1912-1915 -- Defunciones 1871-1876, 1878-1886, 1912

VAULT INTL Film 2245129 Items 1 - 8

However, the church records are a bit more promising, in particular all of the baptisms for the years in question exist:

Bautismos 1878-1892 FHL INTL Film 443991
Bautismos 1892-1905 FHL INTL Film 443992

as well as the marriage films, though you will have to sift through informacion matrimonial:

Información matrimonial 1874-1877 FHL INTL Film 444000
Información matrimonial 1879-1886 VAULT INTL Film 444001

http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/images/goodtepechitlan_c…

: Suniga -Luna

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Might your Francisca Herrera de Luna's parents be called Ramon Herrera and
Maria Felipa De Luna. Family search data says Francisca was born in Santo
Tomas, Momax.

I am interested in both surnames, as I believe that people from Tlaltenango
and Momax travelled to and from frequently. My family is from Tlaltenango.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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: Suniga -Luna

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Yes you are corect Ramon Herrera and Maria Felipa De Luna were maried in 1829 acording to the LDS information. This part of my family is from Los Aguajes and Coculiten.Some other surnames Haro,Alvares, Raigosa and Marques.If you are from Chicago there is a large concentration of family from this region. My problem is not having recent history so that I can research my families past, on the Luna and Zuniga side. Thanx again and good luck with your search. Agustin

Latina1955@aol.com wrote: Might your Francisca Herrera de Luna's parents be called Ramon Herrera and
Maria Felipa De Luna. Family search data says Francisca was born in Santo
Tomas, Momax.

I am interested in both surnames, as I believe that people from Tlaltenango
and Momax travelled to and from frequently. My family is from Tlaltenango.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Coculiten

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here a marginally good map:

arturoramos wrote:
> Joseph/Agustin:
>
> Coculiten is in present days part of the municipality of Momax, Zacatecas, right on the border with Colotlan, Jalisco. Before a seperate parrish was set up in Momax, baptisms from this town were performed in Tlaltenango.
>
> That being said, Agustin, you are right that many of the registro civil records for Momax are missing... i.e. only the following records are filmed by the FHL:
>
> Nacimientos 1876-1882, 1912-1913 -- Matrimonios 1875-1877, 1879-1880, 1885-1887, 1912-1915 -- Defunciones 1871-1876, 1878-1886, 1912
>
> VAULT INTL Film 2245129 Items 1 - 8
>
> However, the church records are a bit more promising, in particular all of the baptisms for the years in question exist:
>
> Bautismos 1878-1892 FHL INTL Film 443991
> Bautismos 1892-1905 FHL INTL Film 443992
>
> as well as the marriage films, though you will have

Fwd: Suniga -Luna

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this has been a confusion to me. In Jalisco and in Zacatecas I have seen
on maps a Coculitlen/Coculiten and then a Cuculiten/Cuculitlen (not sure
if the "tlen" is correct on either). Anyway I know that there was a
Cuculitlen in Zacatecas and those records are sometimes found in the
Tlaltenango films. Go to www.familysearch.org and find your local Family
History Center, pay them a visit and order some film:

Title
*Registros parroquiales, 1630-1961*

Authors
*Iglesia Católica (Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas) (Main Author)*

Notes
*Microfilm de manuscritos en Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román.
Catholic church parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages
and deaths from Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Text in Spanish.*

Subjects
* México, Zacatecas, Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román - Church records*

Format
* Manuscript (On Film)*

Language
* Spanish*

Publication
* Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por The Genealogical Society of Utah,
1961-1978*

Physical

: Suniga -Luna

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Agustin from northern Sonoma county,

Will you please list the Mota and Herrera individulas that you are researching from Momax?
Is the Suniga surname the same as Zuniga?

Thank You,
Pat Silva Corbera

: Suniga -Luna

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Patricia Corbera wrote: Agustin from northern Sonoma county,

Will you please list the Mota and Herrera individulas that you are researching from Momax?
Is the Suniga surname the same as Zuniga?

Thank You,
Pat Silva C
Pat here are some of the names I am researching, my grandfather Vicente Mota Raigosa born 1-9-1897 His first wife Nicolasa Alvares. Los Aguajes Jalisco. Mygreat grandfather, Agustin Mota Herrera born8-281862 Coculiten Jalisco. His wife was Guillerma Raigosa. My great great grandfather Vicente Mota born 4-20-1853 His wife was Francisca Herrera de Luna born abt1846. And yes the corect spelling is Zuniga. Thank you for your intrest Agustin.

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: Suniga -Luna

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Agustin,

Thank you... Good luck with your research!

Pat Silva Corbera
----- Original Message -----
From: "agustin mota"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] : Suniga -Luna

>
>
> Patricia Corbera wrote: Agustin from northern
> Sonoma county,
>
> Will you please list the Mota and Herrera individulas that you are
> researching from Momax?
> Is the Suniga surname the same as Zuniga?
>
> Thank You,
> Pat Silva C
> Pat here are some of the names I am researching, my grandfather Vicente
> Mota Raigosa born 1-9-1897 His first wife Nicolasa Alvares. Los Aguajes
> Jalisco. Mygreat grandfather, Agustin Mota Herrera born8-281862 Coculiten
> Jalisco. His wife was Guillerma Raigosa. My great great grandfather
> Vicente Mota born 4-20-1853 His wife was Francisca Herrera de Luna born
> abt1846. And yes the corect spelling is Zuniga. Thank you for your intrest
> Agustin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> The fish are biting

National Genealogy Society's conference

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http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/2007/

A quick question.

Is anyone from the group, going to the NGS's conference in Richmond, next week?

Jonathan

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NGS Conference

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Jonathan:

The conference is not until the 15th of May so it is a bit more than a month away. I just went on the website and saw some interesting seminars, etc. I am now considering going for a day since I don't think I can take more than that off work and since it is only a few hours from Washington DC.

For anyone interested, below is the website:

There is nothing Mexican or Hispanic/Latin themed at all but some of the more technical seminars on standard of proof, technology, etc. seem very useful.

Information for member Tony Chavez

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Tony,
I found a declaration of intention to become a USA citzen by Jose Chavez in
1884.
Gloria

Teocuitlan de Corona, Jalisco

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Is anyone else searching this area? I might of found some of my ancestors from this place. Here is the following information from IGI.

Jose Norverto de la Cueba and Maria Salome Gonzales
Marriage: May 15, 1787

Hurtado and Santiago in Los Haros, Zacatecas

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For Raul Fernandez, I just noticed I have some records for what I think are your lines in Los Haros. I have records I haven't entered in to my files yet but if you go to Rootsweb and put in Matilde (Maria) Santiago birth date 1872 it will pull up the family and the records I have on that line. I don't have the ancestor that connects you but I do have 3 children for them as well as some ancestors, hope it's your line and of some help to you.

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Hurtado and Santiago in Los

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Hi Linda, I just send you a privete email . I have no idea why it was in the refuse place. But I also notice that I can't log on or maybe I don't know how. I would like to add to my family tree for all to see but I can.
Have a nice weekend all.

Mary

Una Nochistlense

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Announcements and Events

Loulou,

Will you be going to this event? Or for that matter will anyone else who's from that region be going to this celebration in April? I don't know if I can but it sounds like it would be a nice opportunity to meet up with people from our region.

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Una Nochistlense

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Alicia,
I was planning on going with all my cousins who live
in LA, but it turns out my niece is doing her
confirmation that same weekend in Benicia. I really
hate to miss out. Sounds like fun. Oh well, maybe next
year.

Let me know if you decide to go.

Loulou

--- Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Loulou,
>
> Will you be going to this event? Or for that matter
> will anyone else who's from that region be going to
> this celebration in April? I don't know if I can but
> it sounds like it would be a nice opportunity to
> meet up with people from our region.
>
> Thanks Loulou for posting this!!
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Loulou_R
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:39:53 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sèptimo Aniversario del
> Día de Nochistlense
>
>
> Just wanted to pass along the following
> announcement:
>
> La Asociación de Clubes Nochistlenses los invita a
> celebrar el día del Nochistlense los

http://nochistlenses.org/eventos.html

dia del nochistlense

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i will be going.

Alicia Carrillo wrote: Loulou,

Thanks Loulou for posting this!!

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Loulou_R
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:39:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sèptimo Aniversario del Día de Nochistlense

Just wanted to pass along the following announcement:

La Asociación de Clubes Nochistlenses los invita a celebrar el día del Nochistlense los días 28 y 29 de Abril del presente año.

Mary,

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Thanks, I was able to see the American Heritage this time.
Mary

-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Serros
>Sent: Apr 1, 2007 9:41 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mary,

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Introductiion

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Mary Gervassi

I am so sorry, I did not introduce myself. I starded getting help so fast from Ed and Jonathan.

I have been doing resarch for about 10 and maybe more years. But I ran into a little problem and I starded to resarch and get help. Well I did get it and I got so excided that I forgot to introduce my self.
My resarch is in Panuco, Zacatecas, Tamazula, Jalisco and Zapoltitic as well.
With the information that I got so quick I was able to order films from Panuco, which I couldn't find before.
Thanks guys you are gggggreat!!

Welcome Mary

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Mary we made contact long ago looking for mutual family from Tamazula and Zapotiltic. I've checked the files but didn't see yours.. has it been submitted yet? I have put my records into the files here but also up dated them on Rootsweb and Ancestry.com.. I like Rootsweb better! Hoping we can still find those illusive ancestors that make us extended family.
Welcome again, Linda in Everett

Linda Castanon-Long

Lost friend, Linda

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Hi Linda, fancy metting you here. I stoped doing geneology for awaile but I had an accident at work and was in the hospital for about a month got home around the end of January and as day's went by I was getting very bored.
Well to make it short, I'm back looking for my Mitre's from Panuco, Zacatecas. Boy! are these people hard to find. I just ordered 2 films from the LDS and don't expect them in until about a month. Somthing about they are behind, that's making them send films late.

Nice talking to you
Mary

Tamazula and Zapotiltic names and dates

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Mary can you tell me again the lines you're working from Tamazula and Zapotiltic? I'm going to be working on some of those records shortly and if you have any specific names or dates just let me know and I will watch for them. I'm afraid my Zacatecas lines are from Jerez and nothing from the Panuco area.
Hope you're feeling better now,

Linda in Everett

mgervassi wrote:

Nice talking to you
Mary

Linda from Mary

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Linda
My resarch in Tamazula and Zapoltiic are from my Sanchez line. I could invite you it if you like. Just let me know. But send me an email privetly so that I can get your email address.

Mary

Crpto-Jews

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I recommend the following books:

Dogs of God : Columbus, the Inquisition, and the defeat of the Moors / James
Reston, Jr., New York : Doubleday : c2005.

"To The End Of The Earth : A History Of The Crypto-Jews Of New Mexico" by

Onates in Zacatecas

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Hello Ed,
My mother's maiden name is Onate, and she is reported to have been born in either Villa Garcia, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes, Ags. I say reported because she had no birth certificate, grew up believing she was from Aguascalientes until she met her aunt Leonarda Onate who told her otherwise. Tia also took us to meet her brother Adolfo Onate living at the time (1960's)in Guadalajara. I have not been able to verify through FHC where she was born. My grandfather was Luis Onate and my ggrandfather was Don Rosalio De Onate. I was also taken to Don Rosalio's tomb inside a church in Aguascalientes. Unfortunately, I was about 12 at the time and not much interested. My mother's oral family history sounds like a gothic novel. Ironically, the only records I have found are from Panuco, Zacatecas 1882 on the marriage of my maternal grandmother--Santelices. I'm aware of the Onate history you so kindly made available; it's much more recent past that's got me stumped! Alice

Aguilars and Ortasfrom Zacatecas with ties to Durango, Mexico

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I hope this helps someone.

I am doing research on my Aguilar ancestors and while doing research I
ran into these.

Elvira

Descendants of Narciso Aguilar

Generation No. 1

1. NARCISO1 AGUILAR was born 1826 in , , Mexico, and died in Hacienda

portguese naming practices There are others

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Ed,

Read your wondering about dual names with regards to the Jewish persons and their possibility of dual names. I have to say to those who were brave enough to practiced openly may not have, but those who were the converso basically had two lives and with that two or more names. Depending on their social status and the jobs closest to the crown made the true identity all the more important to hide.

Of Crypto-Jews/Moriscos in the New World

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The discussion on crypto jews in the New World had me googling around for more information on Jews and Muslims in the New World recently. I was intrigued by someone's mention of their grandmother being a "mesquita", supposedly meaning "mosque" so I took that to refer to Muslims in the New World, since Muslims go to "mosques" and Jews go to their "temples".

Panuco, Zacatecas

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I would like to know if someone is doing resarch in Panuco, Zacatecas. I would also like a map of Zacatecas, can anyone help me with getting one??

I am doing resarch for my g--grandmother, her name is Manuela Mitre and her father is Maroial Mitre her mother is Juana Sandoval and they are from Panuco, Zacatecas. It seems that her father got married more than once and I am having a hard time to know which is which.

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Map of Zacatecas

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Mary,

If you want a old map of Zacatecas, I suggest going to www.davidrumsey.com .
They have 2 Maps of Zacatecas , One from 1827 and the other from 1858. Also, I can email you a map of Zacatecas (but it is 5 meg in size).

Jonathan

Map of Zacatecas

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Jonathan,
I would like to have a Map of Zacatecas. The old maps don't show Rancho
where my Husbands family came from.
Thank You in advance,
Dorothy

Panuco, Zacatecas

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Mary,

What type of a map, are you looking for?

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Panuco, Zacatecas
Date: 04/01/07 09:40

> I would like to know if someone is doing resarch in Panuco, Zacatecas. I
would also like a map of Zacatecas, can anyone help me with getting one??
>
> I am doing resarch for my g--grandmother, her name is Manuela Mitre and
her father is Maroial Mitre her mother is Juana Sandoval and they are from
Panuco, Zacatecas. It seems that her father got married more than once and
I am having a hard time to know which is which.
> There is to many Manuel's in that area. I found a Manuel Garcia getting
married to a Manuela Mitre, but I don't think that is the one. She is 15
years old when she married and if I am not mistaken she got married in
1869. My Manuela Mitre had a child in 1861.
>
> I also ran into a Robert Mite from Colorado.and his g--grandfather

Panuco, Zacatecas

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One that might have Panuco Zacatecas in it. But I will settle for Santo Domingo. It will have be an old mape of Zacatecas, if it can be found. Got any clues??

Mary

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jonathan
>Sent: Apr 1, 2007 3:01 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Panuco, Zacatecas
>
>Mary,
>
>What type of a map, are you looking for?
>
>Jonathan
>
>--------- Original Message --------
>From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Panuco, Zacatecas
>Date: 04/01/07 09:40
>
>> I would like to know if someone is doing resarch in Panuco, Zacatecas. I
>would also like a map of Zacatecas, can anyone help me with getting one??
>>
>> I am doing resarch for my g--grandmother, her name is Manuela Mitre and
>her father is Maroial Mitre her mother is Juana Sandoval and they are from
>Panuco, Zacatecas. It seems that her father got married more than once and
>I am having a hard time to know which is

Mary,

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Mary,

Via personal email, you asked me more about Pánuco and I must comment on the Oñate family.

The Oñate family has everything to do with Pánuco, originally a great silver-producing pueblo. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crist%C3%B3bal_de_O%C3%B1ate for a summary of the Oñate family activities in Pánuco. Don Juan de Oñate “discovered” and named El Paso, Texas. More Don Juan, see http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/OO/upo2_print.html.

If you prefer Spanish, see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_O%C3%B1ate for Don Juan de Oñate.

As is the case of many great mining cities, once the mines become depleted the inhabitants leave, hence a pueblo fantasma, which fairly much describes Pánuco today given descriptions I have had of the place presently and also conversations with people from Zacatecas.

I was in Zacatecas, Zacatecas two years ago and I unforgivably did not visit the town, or at least what is left of it. It is the part of the El Camino Real de Tierra

Mary,

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Ed, thanks so much for the article about the Camino Real. My mother was a Native of New Mexico, and I have driven that stretch from Northern New Mexico down to Las Cruces, El Paso and Juarez many times. How I wish I could follow that trail into Mexico, but the American Heritage article you sent made me feel like I had been across the border. My mothers Spanish ancestors, the Marquez, were with Onate in 1598, as were my father's Olague ancestors. The Marquez stayed to settle in NM, but my father's high-tailed it back to Zacatecas as soon as they could get away from Onate. He was a ruthless man, but I guess they had to be.

The link for wikipedia you gave didn't work, but this one does;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Onate

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
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From: Edward Serros
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mary,

Mary,

Via personal email, you asked

[Nuestros RAnchos] Portuguese naming practices

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