I am looking at the PARS archives:
Did search: Tierras
http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest
And going through the list to see if I can find that kind of info on Nuevo Galicia (Jalisco) or Zacatecas. Seeing all kinds of things.
I came across this one reference number:
PATRONATO,295,N.28
Looking at the first page there is a hand with finger point to the top of the line:
Hello group,
Are B2 and B4'5 mtDNA the same? My brother tested B2 (with NatGeo) and I B4'5 (with FTDNA).
On FTDNA Familyfinder, some of my matches are referred to as B2 and some as B4'5 in the mtDNA Haplogroups column.
Thank you for your help,
Alice Blake
When I'm filling out forms that ask for ethnicity I always feel a bit conflicted when I check "White" and leave the "Hispanic Origin" blank. AncestryDNA (autosomal) reveals that my heritage is 17% Iberian Pennisula and 3% Native American. So technically, my origins are about 20% Hispanic (Mexican great grandfather). However, the rest of my DNA is mostly English, Irish and Scandinavian and my cultural roots are definitely working class, Methodist, English speaking, etc. No one in my family spoke Spanish at home or identified themselves as Mexican. As a young adult 40 years ago I learned to speak and read Spanish, lived in Nicaragua for 2 years and then worked with a Mexican social service agency in the US for 5 years, partly in an effort to recapture some of my lost heritage.
Now that I'm retired I suppose it doesn't really matter, except in some statistical sense. But, I'd be interested in hearing what other folks on this forum think about the Hispanic Origin question.
First, thank you Katy for the indexes to Huejucar!
However, I found a couple I want to look up, but am not sure how to get to Huejúcar Información Matrimonial 1868-1879. (242 juan galvan & susana lopez *tress 244)
On an aside, I saw lots of names from my tree: Marquez, Villegas, Barragan, Mayorga.
And this made me chuckle: felipe de leon & maria de leon *de leon 413
Thanks,
Laura
I am looking for specific family members in the 1930 Mexico Census for Guadalajarita, Zacatecas. However, after looking over all of the available images, I am not finding them. This entire village consists predominantly of Reynoso and Rodriguez, however I am unable to locate very many.
I have been told that at the time the census was taken, the river that runs through the village was used as a divisor and there for those that lived on the opposite side (closer to Moyahua) were counted under the name of another village.
Does anyone know if there are more images that need to be uploaded? (currently there are 5) Secondly, does anyone happen to know what other village is adjacent to Guadalajarita (either past or present) that would fall between this village and Moyahua? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
-Esther Valencia
Here is a picture of the Spanish Monarchy and that symbol of the eye in a triangle that is the same like in the current american dollar bill:
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2vd63qp.jpg
The reference no. to look it up:
MP-ESTAMPAS,259
It is good to hear that the U.S. Congress has honored the Spanish effort in
the American Revolution. My 4th ggrandfather, Antonio Pena, an "Islenos"
militiaman born in the Canaries fought, under General Galvez at the siege of
Pensacola. The Islenos are today alive and well in St. Bernard Parish, LA.
Visit http://www.islenos.org/
Spain in the American Revolution.
Spain took possession of the "Louisiana Territory" from France in 1769, and
declared war on England on 8 May 1779. Governor/General B. Galvez in New
Orleans pushed the English out of St. Louis, MO, Baton Rouge, LA and Mobile,
AL then, with 8,000 troops besieged and defeated the British army in
Pensacola, FL In 1781. These campaigns required Spanish military units from
the mainland ("Metropolitan" units), from Louisiana militias, especially
the "Louisiana Battalion of Infantry", and colonial units from Cuba, Mexico,
and elsewhere. Thus some Mexicans became "Sons of the American Revolution".
There were many naval units and ships also engaged for transport and cover.
At the end of the war Spain regained East and West Florida.
Ref: "The Spanish Army in North America 1700 - 1793" by Rene Chartrand,
Osprey Publishing, 2011
And "The Galvez Expedition, 1779 - 1883 Officers and Soldiers Serving under
Gen. Bernardo de Galvez" by Robert C. Churchill ( a very rare book)
I'm not able to find the map of Lagos de Moreno. I clicked everything there and nothing happened.
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Map with detailed description of Lagos De Moreno of Jalisco, Mexico year 1773.
Description where I found it:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2i1ypuh.jpg
Maps:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/wu1ik5.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2hwcjtl.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/14tveav.jpg
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Here is a picture of the Spanish Monarchy and that symbol of the eye in a triangle that is the same like in the current american dollar bill:
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2vd63qp.jpg
The reference no. to look it up:
MP-ESTAMPAS,259
http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest
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Didn't the Spanish and French who were at war with England influence the Indepenced of the American colonies from England.
I briefly read about one Spanish Capitan name Felipe Gonzalez De Ahedo.
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I found this posting mentioning the discovery on Familysearch a document in which they mention the names of the parents of Jacinto García de Sepúlveda, husband of Clara de Rentería (they lived in Cerralvo, Nuevo León in the mid 1600's):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/225788873/Jacinto-Garcia-Sepulveda (By Diego Mata Cos)
The father is not Antón, as stated by many, but Antonio. In the document some call him Antonio Ruiz, and others Antonio García. The mother is Ana de Sepúlveda, as previously stated by many, and they were neighbors of the city of Zacatecas. Anybody has found any other documents regarding them?
Thanks to the author since I'll finally add Jacinto's parent's names to my tree now that there's an actual document to backup the information.
Victoriano Navarro
Map with detailed description of Lagos De Moreno of Jalisco, Mexico year 1773.
Description where I found it:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2i1ypuh.jpg
Maps:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/wu1ik5.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2hwcjtl.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/14tveav.jpg
so far i got one person to volunteer.They are currently working on matrimonios 1812-1879.
here's a few other collections i've only partially indexed
matrimonios 1815
matrimonios 1789 images 6-565
matrimonios 1773-1783
matrimonios 1779- 1795
there's plenty of others i've barely started on but i won't state those
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Dear Friends, Family, and Somos Primos readers:
Somos Primos, beginning its 16 years of monthly online issues is welcoming, along with you, 2015.
December 9, 2014 ended with a huge win: Spanish General Bernardo de Galvez, received Honorary United States citizenship from Congress in recognition of the importance that Spain's contribution was in achieving independence from the British. In addition,a Bernardo de Galvez'
portrait was hung prominently, fulfilling a promise made 231 years ago by the US Congress. It is located in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee room, right next to President Eisenhower's portrait.
There are diverse and varied heritage activities across the country revealing an awakening to the positive historic Hispanic/Latino presence in the United States.
These heritage projects are taking many forms, organized by individuals, groups, schools, churches, museums, special events, displays, non-profits/for profit, and even government agencies promoting the story of the Spanish presence and heritage. This is a history which has been sadly excluded, misinterpreted, or demeaned . . . the stories of our ancestors.
If we each challenged ourselves to share our family history, in some public venue, what a shift of consciousness could be achieved.
Possibilities are endless, in your schools, libraries, oral history
projects, local newspapers, blogs. We can individually and within our
sphere of influence, contribute. Facts are strong witnesses to the truth.
If you hesitate to speak out publicly, share your stories in Somos Primos. Others have shared their stories and you have read them in the pages of Somos Primos.
We have all benefited. Your experiences matter. Your thoughts and
lives mattered. They shaped you and you shaped others.
God bless America and God bless Israel.
Happy New Year.
Mimi
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Click here: Somos Primos
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2015/spjan15/spjan15.htm
Dear Friends, Family, and Somos Primos readers:
Somos Primos, beginning its 16 years of monthly online issues is welcoming, along with you, 2015.
December 9, 2014 ended with a huge win: Spanish General Bernardo de Galvez, received Honorary United States citizenship from Congress in recognition of the importance that Spain's contribution was in achieving independence from the British. In addition,a Bernardo de Galvez'
portrait was hung prominently, fulfilling a promise made 231 years ago by the US Congress. It is located in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee room, right next to President Eisenhower's portrait.
There are diverse and varied heritage activities across the country revealing an awakening to the positive historic Hispanic/Latino presence in the United States.
These heritage projects are taking many forms, organized by individuals, groups, schools, churches, museums, special events, displays, non-profits/for profit, and even government agencies promoting the story of the Spanish presence and heritage. This is a history which has been sadly excluded, misinterpreted, or demeaned . . . the stories of our ancestors.
If we each challenged ourselves to share our family history, in some public venue, what a shift of consciousness could be achieved.
Possibilities are endless, in your schools, libraries, oral history
projects, local newspapers, blogs. We can individually and within our
sphere of influence, contribute. Facts are strong witnesses to the truth.
If you hesitate to speak out publicly, share your stories in Somos Primos. Others have shared their stories and you have read them in the pages of Somos Primos.
We have all benefited. Your experiences matter. Your thoughts and
lives mattered. They shaped you and you shaped others.
God bless America and God bless Israel.
Happy New Year.
Mimi
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Found a map of the coast of California dating back to October 30, 1770:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/of6jja.jpg
Gives a lot of description on the map and year.
Wow! I have posted maps of San Francisco Bay areas for year 1772 which is on the previous topic of the ship "San Carlos" that traveled up to San Francisco Bay area in 1775. But the 1772 map was from another expedition by the ship called, "La Goleta Sonora"
I was looking at a map of the Peninsula of California where I found it here:
http://oi60.tinypic.com/zwhrvq.jpg
I marked it in green:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2rxcscp.jpg
Is that the legendary city of cibola that Fray Marcos De Niza saw?
Found a map of Los Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico under the name "Nuestra Senora De La Concepcion Sierra De Los Pinos) year 1603:
http://oi62.tinypic.com/otdati.jpg
Source is in mapas/planos of PARS archives:
http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/search/-/s/n;jsessionid=1120A792737…
Made copy of the descipcion:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/242hq11.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2wn3axy.jpg
Found this new website that is different from PARS. I did a search for Zacatecas and a large document came up that is over 8,000 pages long and it is called, “Descripcion de la Ciudad de Zacatecas” year is 1732:
http://bibliotecadigital.rah.es/dgbrah/i18n/consulta/resultados_busqued…
If Zacatecas doesn’t come up, do a search on the left side in “buscada”
Here are just a few pages I started to look at:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/1zlbz8o.jpg
Look at this one Real Audencia De Guadalajara De Nuevo Galicia, Juan De Olivan Rebolledo Governador electoy Capitan General De La Provincia De Texas:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2lnir8w.jpg
I found this link where Archive of Indias. There is a list of countries to pick on the left side. I pick "Mexico"
and a submenu of another list comes up. I select one of those to see a different time frame. Then on the right when you scroll down there is an image of a computer which you click on and archivos come up:
http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/ead-display/-/ead/pl/aicode/ES-4109…
Example:
Looking at archives of PARS on California and see many where ships, expeditions traveled from Port San Blas of Nayarit, Mexico up north to San Diego, Monterrey and San Francisco, California, Mexico in 1770's - 1800's.
This one is the year 1775 where the ship "San Carlos" commanded by Capitan Juan De Ayala traveled from Port of San Blas, Nayarit up to Ports of Monterrey and San Francisco of northern province of California. It is title "Bucarely sobre arribo a San Blas del paquebot ''San Carlos'' in the PARS Archives if you want to search and read a 48 page document.
Here he describes entering the San Francisco Bay:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…
He describes, "Almejas" which is a name on a patch of clear land on a map on the Pacific Coast side just beforing entering San Francisco Bay. I had found two maps of the San Francisco Bay in Mapas/Planos year 1777 in which that maps has dotted lines on land passing through numbered circles which seem to be "Monterrey," going up north to other numbered cirlces all the way up to cirlce number 5 which is the Presidio of San Francisco. Names of rivers are on that map. I will later post that map I found. I also found another map which I thought was year 1772 but description says "probably 1802" and by the "oficiales of San Blas" as described on the map. That map of San Francisco Bay Area is colorful as it shows lots of trees in green and several clear patchs of land with names such as "San Mateo" "Presidio San Francisco" "Mision San Francisco" "Almejas" Almejas is on the Pacific side just before entering San Fancisco Bay which is described by name by Capitan Juan De Ayala. So that latter map may be older or concided with the map of 1777. This is good because it would then prove that those villages and San Francisco existed back in 1770's. I will also post that map later on.
Dear members interested in DNA
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The BigY test normally costs $575 but is on sale right now for $525 - so with the promo code it would cost $425.
Please contact me if you can use this promo code, it can only be used by one person. I will forward the code by email.
Judy Rodriguez de Jauregui
Hola Members, I am trying to find out who the parents of Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno married to Luis Padilla-Davila feb. 01 1730 in La Cienega de Mata ,Jalisco.(Matrimonios La Cienega de Mata- 1667-1757 - Page # 248. The record states Nicolas Diaz and Juana de Isassi are the parents of Fabiana. Now there is a Dispensa year 1803 of Rafael Padilla and Antonia Padilla-Film # 168130-page # 1219 that states a Bernabe Diaz and Maria Martin are the parents of Fabiana . I tend to believe marrage info on Fabiana than the dispensa . Any thoughts .
Thank you
Ronnie
Primordialmente yahualica Jalisco jalostotlitlan y tepatitlan apellidos
Toledo limon son separditas existe un rancho cercano a yahualica del cual
son mayoria Gonzalez se llama el durazno y por costumbre se casan entre
ellos mismos costumbre antigua. son blancos ojos azules. Las carnitas son
famosas en esta region por que LA gente presumia comer cerdo para evitar
ser victima en tepatitlan tambien tiene LA gente decendencia separdita
existe una inglesia principal con estrellas de David Como huella que
estubieron ahi.
El dic 8, 2014 5:57 p.m.,
escribió:
I was browsing the archives and did a search, "flota de indias" to see the list and the description on the side:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/20r07l0.jpg
And the painting of the port from the view of the flota de indias:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3TEkacYXUk FlashMob Mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuNl50hUrs0 y otro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAr2WNbB9LU Guadalajara Guadalajara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tM6vzucp-c Xalapa FlashMob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ew68O4bSGc Japonesa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIvGGEvjjZ4 Mariachi Samurai
joseph
Joseph Puentes
