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Hi all, I got a reply saying we need to contact The Genealogical Society of Utah so we can be granted an Extraction access
program. Costa Rica and Peru were granted where instead of only viewing images we can extrct then the record can be searched using a search bar instead of searching page by page, would make genealogy a lot faster. We as Nuestros Ranchos
need to write up a letter if we even want to be considered, I know one person wont make the cut. Does anyone want to oversee this whole thing? I can forward you the email.

-Daniel Mendez Camino

Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members:

The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society of Northern California
will be hosting a Geanology conference in the San Jose / Milpitas area of Northern Californa, the weekend of March 6 & 7, 2010.

We are happy to announce that one of our Guest Speakers will be none other than Arturo Ramos of Washington DC, our illustrious Nuestros Ranchos leader. If only we could have both Joseph and Arturo.Our other illustrous guest speaker will be Rose Hardy who is also a member of Nuestros Ranchos and like Arturo, is also a published author.

We're still in the throes of the preparations thanks to Helyn Sparkman's gargantuan efforts. As soon as we know how many people will be attending we'll provide you with the venue. We need to have your commitment on or before January 29th.

If you or anyone you know is interested in attending, please make your reservation with Helyn or Maria or if you have any questions about lodging or transportation they will be happy to assist you. See their e-mail below. One of the possible venues is the Sheraton Hotel in Milpitas/San Jose.

visit our website at www.nuevagalicia.org
Helyn Sparkman mistyriver@yahoo.com,  
Maria Cortez mcortez@gmail.com

We invite all Nuestros Ranchos members to attend and even participate as presenters. We know there are many talented individuals with much wisdom to share. We hope to see you here as an attendee or a presenter!!

En Español

La Sociedad Genealogica de Nueva Galicia, del Norte de California se complace en invitar a todos los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos a una conferencia Genalogica que se efectuara los dias 6 y 7 de Marzo, 2010, en San Jose / Milpitas California.

Tenemos el gusto de anunciar que dos miembros muy ilustres de Nuestros Ranchos seran los invitados de honor, Arturo Ramos, de Washington DC y Rose Holly de Fresno, California. Ambos han publicado libros de su Genealogia y daran presentaciones

Si tienes un tema de interes que quieras presentar con respecto a la Genealogia, por favor comunicate con Helyn Sparkman o Maria Cortez. 

As one of the "barely active" members right now, I want to let those active ones, especially ones that are volunteering for extractions, know how much your work is appreciated. For a variety of reasons, I can't put the time into genealogy that I wish right now. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that you are appreciated and envied. Thank you for keeping this community alive and well. Best of luck with the hunt.--Raquel

I have posted scans from the earliest surviving Zacatecas marriage film, which includes marriages from the first half of the 17th Century. Because of fire damage, the film only has remnants of a book therefore it is incomplete. I have extracted many of the marriages to the GEDCOM database. If someone is interested in helping to complete the project, please let me know.

The scans of the film can be accessed at:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/zacatacas_marriages

ESPANOL:

He publicado scans de la película mas antigua de matrimonios de Zacatecas que aun se conserva, que incluye los matrimonios de la primera mitad del siglo 17. A causa de daño de fuego, la película sólo tiene restos de un libro por lo tanto, es incompleta. He extraído muchos de los matrimonios a la base de datos GEDCOM. Si alguien está interesado en ayudar a completar el proyecto, por favor hágamelo saber.

Se pueden acceder las imagenes de la película en:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/zacatacas_marriages

Hi everyone,
My name is Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg, I took a couple of years off from genealogy but I'm back now.  My research started in Los Altos de Jalisco, Mexico and has now gone back Spain and Italy.  I wanted to say a special hello to my cousins Irma Gomez and Maria Cortez.  Genealogy is an addiction in itself once you get started.

Hello:

I´m José Humberto Suárez Villarreal. I´ve been doing some research on my family, for almost 10 years or so I focused mainly in my maternal side (Villarreal De La Fuente Zertuche Rodríguez - from Nuevo León and Coahuila). But a couple of years ago I started with my paternal lines (Orozco, Moreno). Later I found interesting links of this families with the "Familias Alteñas" that were in Nueva Galicia since the times of colonization.

I will be posting the info I´ve got, although its not much because I mainly go just directly to my ancestors without having discovered much about the colateral branches of the family. But of what I have seen in this last week in this website there is tons of information that just need some analysis to be linked.

I recently went to Lagos de Moreno and to La Union de San Antonio to visit for the first time my paternal grandfather´s birthplace. It was a wonderfull trip in which all the time I imagined my ancestors walking the same streets alongside a church or a downtown plaza.

My grandfather José Suárez Orozco who was born in 1918 in La Unión de San Antonio (still living), was one of the 75 grandchildren of José Ignacio Orozco González "Papa Nacho" and of Zenaida Moreno Gómez. The aunts, uncles and cousins or our family has mainly focused in the descendants of this couple, we are a reallly big family, but I have always been curious about the ancestors of earlier centuries. The parents of José Ignacio and Zenaida were: José Ramón Tello de Orozco y González Rubio from San Miguel El Alto and María Josefa González del Castillo y Ortiz de Parada. José Ignacio was born in La Hacienda La Sandía, Adobes (Unión de San Antonio), Jalisco. He married Zenaida in la Parroquia del Señor de la Misericordia, La Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco, México and she was born in Hacienda La Tuna Alta, La Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco, her parents were Juan de Diós Moreno y Maldonado and María Higinia Gómez de Portugal y González.

The grandparents of José Ignacio and Zenaida were:
José Ignacio Tello de Orozco y Gutiérrez de Mendoza and Rita González Rubio y Márquez.
Fermín González del Castillo y González de Rubalcava and Francisca Ortíz de Parada y González de Rubalcava.
José Antonio Melquiades Moreno (de Ortega) y Moreno and María Manuela Maldonado y Moreno.
José María Gómez de Portugal Hermosillo and María Ana González Moreno.

José Miguel Romero de Solís of the Colegio de Colima has published a seminal work with biographies of the earliest settlers of the town of Colima in the 16th Century. The biographies are compilations of primary source materials found in the Colima Archive. The book is available online at:

http://www.casadelarchivo.gob.mx/sigloxvi/ANDARIEGOS_Y_POBLADORES.pdf

From the book I have been able to compile three generations of ancestry of Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro, who was married to Maria de Esquivel. The couple lived in Tlaltenango at the end of the 16th and beginning of the 17th centuries and, mainly through their daughter Cecilia Lopez, are one of the principal early Spanish families from which people in the region descend.

==ESPANOL==
José Miguel Romero de Solís del Colegio de Colima ha publicado un trabajo seminal con las biografías de los primeros pobladores de la Villa de Colima en el siglo 16. Las biografías son compilaciones de materiales de fuentes primarias que se encuentran en el Archivo de Colima. El libro está disponible en línea en:

http://www.casadelarchivo.gob.mx/sigloxvi/ANDARIEGOS_Y_POBLADORES.pdf

A traves del libro he podido recopilar tres generaciones de antepasados de Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro, quien fue marido de María de Esquivel. La pareja vivía en Tlaltenango al final del siglo 16 y comienzo del siglo 17 y, sobre todo a través de su hija Cecilia López, fueron una de las principales familias españoles de la region de las cuales descienden innumerables personas de la región.

This is more culture related that genealogy related - but la familia is about culture lived in the past and transmitted through the generations. And a lot of family culture has been passed around the dinner table.
I came across this mention of food in Zacatecas - I hope you enjoy reading it.

http://tazadechocolate.blogspot.com/2010/01/family-jewels.html

natalie, in VA

PS - do you have a favorite recipe or dish that was passed down from your immigrant Zacatecas ancestor?

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for the tip! My grandmother was born in Aguascalientes, AGS but it
turns out she is descended from the Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado line! I found a
genealogy tree for the Alvarez Tostado line posted on familytreemaker.com,
by Pablo Alvarez Tostado. He even had my father and all my aunts and uncles
listed there!
Jose

> -----------------------------------
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:34:48 -0800
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] introduction - de la Torre-Berumen
> Uribarren
> Message-ID:
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> Welcome to the Group!
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>
> You stated My grandfather was Luis de la Torre,
> who married Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado. Of my
> grandmother's family I know nothing, but that will be a future area of
> research.
>
>
>
> Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado.
>
>
>
> Was your grandma from Los Altos de Jalisco? Alvarez y Tostado
>
> is a family in Los Altos: you might want to start on this line?
>
> This family has been researched extensivly, You could probably
>
> easily trace it back to its patriatch Lorenzo.
>
>
>
> -Daniel
>
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>

I have been unble to place this Ancestry in my database. any info on these
relations would be appreciated. Thank you David Serna

Descendants of Hilario Serna

Generation No. 1

1. HILARIO SERNA He married YSABEL ROBLES.

Child of HILARIO SERNA and YSABEL ROBLES is:
2. i. HIPOLITO SERNA.
Generation No. 2

2. HIPOLITO SERNA He married HERMINIA SERNA, daughter of PABLO SERNA and
VIBIANA RODRIGUEZ.

Children of HIPOLITO SERNA and HERMINIA SERNA are:
i. PEDRO SERNA, b. 18 Nov 1890, Jaltiche, Calvillo, Ags..

More About PEDRO SERNA:
Baptism: 23 Nov 1890, San Jose, Calvillo, Ags.

ii. PAULA SERNA, b. Bef. 02 Jul 1893, Calvillo, Ags..

Hola a todos/as:
Ya que acaban de pasar las fiestas de navidad, como hispanos y mas para los que radicamos fuera de los paises ancestrales. Solo me gustaria que leyeran la informacion que se encuenta en esta pagina www.terra.com.mx/articulo.aspx?articuloId=207937
articulo que habla sobre la flor.

Ha y tambien quiero que recordemos el significado de la Rosca de Reyes.

FELIZ 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill
I too have ancestors in Aguas. Thank you so much for your research!

Mickey

In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:52:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com writes:

Bill-

Thank you so much for the trouble and expense you went through to find
this out for us. I had traced my husband's family back to Encarnacion de
Diaz, and other places in Jalisco, then found in records in microfilms mention
that many of them had come from Aquascalientes originally in the early
1700s. I had looked and looked in many Aguacalientes films and never found
them, now I know why.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What ever happened to the missing
1719-1733baptismal records from Aguascalientes?

To: all members of Nuestros Ranchos

Te following excerpts are from a letter I sent to the Family History
Library in Salt Lake City, UT in August of 2008. It contains important
information for those focusing their research in Aguascalientes. Since I didn't
get a reply or noticed any corrective action taken, I decided to post it in
this forum for the benefit of all members of Nuestros Ranchos.

"For several years I had been trying to find the baptismal record of my
4th great grandfather Vicente Ruiz de Esparza, but soon realized that it was
missing. As a matter of fact, all the baptisms of “Españoles” from
1719-1733 from “Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes” seemed to be
missing. I searched over and over for these records, carefully combing through a
number of microfilms, to no avail. Finally, in desperation, I decided to
take a trip to Aguascalientes in central Mexico (I live in Texas) to find
out if the book had been lost or never filmed by the LDS."

I have been unble to place this Ancestry in my database. any info on these relations would be appreciated. Thank you David Serna

Descendants of Hilario Serna

Generation No. 1

1. HILARIO SERNA He married YSABEL ROBLES.

Child of HILARIO SERNA and YSABEL ROBLES is:
2. i. HIPOLITO SERNA.
Generation No. 2

2. HIPOLITO SERNA He married HERMINIA SERNA, daughter of PABLO SERNA and VIBIANA RODRIGUEZ.

Children of HIPOLITO SERNA and HERMINIA SERNA are:
i. PEDRO SERNA, b. 18 Nov 1890, Jaltiche, Calvillo, Ags..

More About PEDRO SERNA:
Baptism: 23 Nov 1890, San Jose, Calvillo, Ags.

ii. PAULA SERNA, b. Bef. 02 Jul 1893, Calvillo, Ags..

I have been un able to place these Serna -Lopez Families in my database. Any info on Cirilo, Micaela, Aurelio Serna or this Lopez family would be appreciated.

Descendants of Cirilo Serna

Generation No. 1
1. CIRILO SERNA He married MICAELA SERNA.

Child of CIRILO SERNA and MICAELA SERNA is:
2. i. AURELIO SERNA.

Generation No. 2

2. AURELIO2 SERNA He married SEVERIANA LOPEZ, daughter of PRUDENCIO LOPEZ and MARIA FLORES.

Child of AURELIO SERNA and SEVERIANA LOPEZ is:
i. GUADALUPE SERNA, b. 14 May 1904, Arroyo de Soto, Calvillo, Ags..

More About GUADALUPE SERNA:
Baptism: 15 May 1894, San Jose, Calvillio, Ags.

Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy trees. I am adding a few things I did not add originally. One is the time of birth. Oddly, many of the times are 3 pm, and I know this many children could not have been born at 3 pm. Was this just a catch all time in case the exact time was not known or possibly they just guessed not having clocks? Some also have other times such as 12 noon or 11 o'clock at night, so I am not sure why 3 pm was so popular. Has any one else noticed this?

Maureen Bejar

Hi Paul,
It so happens that keeping a woman inside her home for 40 days is not
unique to the Mexican culture. Read the following article - it gives quite a
bit of information:
_http://www.nursingcenter.com/prodev/ce_article.asp?tid=408218_
(http://www.nursingcenter.com/prodev/ce_article.asp?tid=408218)

Bill,

I just wanted to echo the thanks and kudos that have already been
posted here. You are the most accomplished Genealogist ever! Thanks
for sharing this important bit of information. You always stick to
the facts and never post useless opinions. That's the mark of a true
Genealogist.

Maria Cortez

>  Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What ever happened to the missing 1719-1733baptismal records from Aguascalientes?
>
>
>  To: all members of Nuestros Ranchos
>
>  Te following excerpts are from a letter I sent to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, UT in August of 2008.  It contains important information for those focusing their research in Aguascalientes.  Since I didn't get a reply or noticed any corrective action taken, I decided to post it in this forum for the benefit of all members of Nuestros Ranchos.
>
>  "For several years I had been trying to find the baptismal record of my 4th great grandfather Vicente Ruiz de Esparza, but soon realized that it was missing.  As a matter of fact, all the baptisms of ?Espa?oles? from 1719-1733 from ?Parroquia de la Asunci?n de Aguascalientes? seemed to be missing.  I searched over and over for these records, carefully combing through a number of microfilms, to no avail.  Finally, in desperation, I decided to take a trip to Aguascalientes in central Mexico (I live in Texas) to find out if the book had been lost or never filmed by the LDS."

Hello primos,

I am busy researching my Rodriguez and Esparza lines, my grandparents immigrated to the U.S. in about 1929, and like a lot of people for waht ever reason decided not to pass along much information! So now we are all Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys.

My family search has run into a few snags in the 6th generation across the board and my Grnadmother's maternal line in entirely. My regions are pretty limited to Juchipila (Atemajac, Moyahua, El Ranchito, Tlaltennango de Sanchez Roman and Teul.

Here is the quick run down of the Rodriguez line:

(GGGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Jose Rodriguez
Wife: Balvina Reynoso (Balbina) (Valbina) (Valvina)

Children:
1810 Pedro Rodriguez
1816 Damacio Rodriguez
1817 Antonio Rodriguez
1822 Maria Merced (married Jose Maria Barreda, 1858)

(GGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Pedro Rodriguez
Wife, married 1826: Celedonia (Seledonia) (Zeledonia) Guitierrez (s)

Children:
1827 Lorenza Rodriguez (s), born in Moyahua, Juchipila Zacatecas
1831 Jose (Maria Rito) Rodriguez Gutierrez (married Manuela Banuelos)

(GG Grandpa and Grandma)
Jose (Maria Rito) Rodriguez Gutierrez
Wife: Manuela Banuelos

Children:
1860 Juan Rodriguez (married Petra Villalobos, 1887)
1882 Gulliermo Rodriguez (married, D.O.B. 1806,Maria De Los Nieves De Jesus Placencia Susana (Unknown)/Maria Jesus Plascencia)
1832 Luis Rodriguez, Moyahua, Juchipila, Zacatecas (married Francesca Luna)
1839 Dorotea Rodriguez (married Felipe Benites, 02/05/1860)
1846 Dinocio Rodriguez, (married Dorotea Banuelos, 1876)
1855 Antonia Rodriguez (married Florentino Ramires 1873)
1856 Dominga Rodriguez, (married Regino Gonzales)
Children: Tiburcio Gonzales
Raimunda Carillo

(G Grandpa and Grandma)
Guillermo Rodriguez
Wife: Maria De Los Nieves De Jesus
Placencia Susana (Unknown)/Maria Jesus Plascencia

Children:
(my Grandpa)
Ricardo Rodriguez, m. 1927, Petra Esparza, El Ranchito, Zacatecas

The Esparza Line:

(GGGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Tomas Esparza
wife: Maria Magdelena Sigala

*** found on marriage record for Jose Noverto and Maria Juana De Aro***
Children:
1809 Jose Noverto, Moyahua

(GGG grandpa and grandma)
(Jose) Noverto Esparza
Wife: Maria Juana De Aro,DOB 1810, m. 1827, Moyahua, Zacatecas

We have a lot to be thankful for. The group has been growing
tremendously via Arturo's Website Wizardry. I think the membership was
just at 100 when he took the website to where it is now and i think we
currently have about 450 members (not all active but still at times
there can be a significant amount of discussion).

Tenemos mucho para ser agradecidos. El grupo ha estado creciendo
enormemente gracias a Arturo y su trabajo con el Website. Pienso la
calidad de miembro era apenas en 100 cuando él asumió el control y
pienso que tenemos actualmente cerca de 450 miembros (no todos activos
pero todavía ocasionalmente allí puede ser una cantidad significativa de
discusión).

A couple of things:

Unas par de cosas:

1) You all know how I used to get so happy when people made a
connection. Well with so many people making connections I didn't want to
use too much bandwidth to convey my joy. I am still doing backward
internal somersaults. Our ancestors would be so happy to know that after
losing each other for hundreds of (100, 200, or even 300) years some of
the family branches have become reunited via our genealogy research. Our
families have a lot to be thankful for even if they don't exactly
understand the significance of reunifying via our genealogical labor of
love. Thank you for efforts you all have been a blessing to me.

1) Ustedes todos saben conseguía tan feliz cuando la gente hizo una
conexión. Bien con tan mucha gente que hace conexiones no quice utilizar
demasiada anchura de banda para transportar mi alegría. Todavía estoy
haciendo volteretas internas posteriores. Nuestros antepasados se
placerían tan saber que después de perderse para los centenares (100,
200, o aún 300) de años algunas de las ramas de la familia se han
juntado vía nuestra investigación de la genealogía. Nuestras familias
tienen mucho ser agradecidas para incluso si ellas no entienden
exactamente la significación de reunificar vía nuestro trabajo del amor
genealógico. Gracias por esfuerzos usted que toda ha sido una bendición
a mí.

Hola! I trying to find out all about my 4X GreatGrandfather Jesus Gonzalez (birth abt. 1780) on my fathers side. There is no information on who his wife was or if he got married at all. All I know is that he had at least one son. I found the actual Marriage Certificate that states "El primer hijo Natural" his son named Trinidad Gonzalez (birth abt. 1805, Cañadas) who married to Maria Eusebia de Alba (birth abt. 1810, Mexticacán) per Batch No. M603232, Dates 1827-1837, Source Film 0279302. She was "La Segunda Hija Lejitima" of parents Jose Ygnacio De Alba (abt. 1791) and Maria Dolores Mexia (abt, 1797). Any information is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in Adavance, Jaime Gonzalez

I was wondering if somebody could shed some light on the several Guadalupe's
in the state of Zacatecas? In our family records, my great-great
grandfather's family comes from Guadalupe, Zacatecas. However, I have only
found vital records in familysearch.org from the parish of Nuestra Senora de
Guadalupe, in the city (or municipality?) of Zacatecas, ZAC. I think there
is also a town (suburb?) of Zacatecas called Guadalupe, and maybe one in
Villanueva as well?

So if my ancestors said they were from Guadalupe, Zacatecas, is that
actually the city of Zacatecas? Was the town of Guadalupe centered around
the parish of Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe maybe?

On another note, I think my great-great grandfather's wife was originally
from Tepetongo, ZAC. Is it likely my great-great grandfather was also from
Tepetongo? I can't find his birth records in Guadalupe or Zacatecas. In
general, was there a lot of movement between Tepetongo/Jerez and
Zacatecas/Guadalupe/Villanueva in the mid 1800s?

------Original Message------
From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
Sender: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: Nuestros Ranchos
ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] the ancestors and personal infoof MariaLuisa Estrada
Sent: Dec 14, 2009 1:23 PM

Los abuelos paternos de María Luisa Estrada Gómez son José Domingo Estrada Cortés y María Rita Valencia González y los maternos son José Ignacio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y Felipa Catarina de Aceves.

Yo desciendo de un hijo de Luisa, llamado José Hermenegildo Rodríguez Estrada. De ahí en adelante es como sigue:

1.- Luisa Rodríguez Ochoa.

2.- José Domínguez Rodríguez.

3.- Francisco Domínguez Ibarra.

4.- Ramona Domínguez Gallardo.

5.- Mi mamá.

6.- Yo.

Y como es tu línea?

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

_________________________________________________________________
Descubre Windows 7
http://www.windows.com.mx

Arturo
Sounds great. A question. A corporation agent in the state.....what are
the responsibilities?

Mickey

In a message dated 4/11/2009 9:43:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com writes:

Joseph Puentes and I had dinner tonight with and he presented me with a
large number of letters from Nuestros Ranchos members expressing their
gratitude for my work on the site, many of which included monetary contributions.
I am extremely moved and grateful at members' generosity and
throughtfulness. I discussed with Joseph that I could not accept the money, but that I
would be willing to take the money and use it as the seed money to
incorporate Nuestros Ranchos as a nonprofit so as to take it to the next level.

I have been on the Boards of a number of nonprofits and understand the
work involved, but I think this group has been blessed with many volunteers
and as long as we continue to have such involvement and keep our goals
modest, we will inevitably succeed.

Please let me know if you would like to take part in this process. I am
thinking it would be best to incorporate in Texas or California where we
have the largest membership as having a resident in the state of incorporation
is a requirement.

http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/texas/forming-nonprofit-corporat…
exas

ESPAÑOL

Joseph Puentes y yo cenamos junto esta noche y al fin de la cena me
presentó un gran número de cartas de miembros de Nuestros Ranchos expresando su
agradecimiento por mi trabajo en el sitio, y muchas de las cartas incluían
aportaciones dinerarias. Estoy muy conmovido y agradecido a los miembros por
su generosidad y consideración. Le dije a Joseph que no podía aceptar el
dinero, pero que yo estaría dispuesto a tomar el dinero y utilizarlo como el
capital inicial para incorporar Nuestros Ranchos como una organización sin
fines de lucro a fin de llevar a la orgnización al próximo nivel.

Gracias jorge luis. Yo tambien tengo esta informacion en mis notas pero me falta seguir el hilo. Conoces los abuelos de Luisa?
Son de tu linea directa?
Como son tus parientes?

Gracias
Ricardo (r.a. Ricci)
------Original Message------
From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
Sender: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: Nuestros Ranchos
ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] the ancestors and personal info of MariaLuisa Estrada
Sent: Dec 14, 2009 7:36 AM

No se a quien va dirigido el mensaje pero yo tengo esa información, así que decidí enviárte lo que tengo. María Luisa Estrada es hija de José Rafael Estrada y María Dolores Gómez, y casó con José Rafael Rodríguez Orozco, hijo de José Francisco Rodríguez y Ana Basilia Orozco.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

_________________________________________________________________
Descubre Windows 7
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Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.

Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?

En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana.

Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.

Gracias de antemano.

P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.