Hello all:
I have been reading the Church Records from Guerrero, Coahuila and came across a term I have not seen before and for which I do not know the colloquial meaning. I can't seem to find a definition online.
The baptism records are from late 1780s to 1820. The term is "havidos por españoles." It is found in several records and is used in reference to the racial status of parents. I assumed it was supposed to be "habidos por Españoles," literally "had by Spaniards," but I still don't get it in this context. Maybe a term indicating Spanish (European) descent of indeterminate nature? I've asked a couple of people I know, but nobody can tell me what is meant in this usage. Can anybody shed some light on the terminology for me?
Thanks, all
-Scott

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The term may be traslated as "taken for spanish" or "considered as spanish". So, to the priest and their neighbours they looked as "spanish/spaniard" in the castas system, but there was no easy way to prove it.

Victoriano Navarro

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Thank you, Victoriano, That is a great help!
-Scott

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Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Estimado ScottStockweII62,no se si te correponde a ti la pregunta "Castas", tratare de contestarte de la siguiente manera: Para poder entender el concepto de castas, debemos de considerar en primer lugar porque se origino. Yo considero que los religiosos de las diferentes ordenes que vinieron a la conquista, fueron antes que religiosos,todos o algunos; personas educadas en el metodo cientifico o metodo llamado de alguna manera,en esa epoca, porque los que tenemos alguna relacion en observar nuestro entorno y la naturaleza, nosotros sabemos que sin un metodo, no se puede observar. En base a esta premisa; yo observo que en esa epoca los religiosos encargados de llevar los registros parroquiales de la epoca.Tenian como antecedente, en Europa, la diversidad de razas y el resultado de sus cruzas.Al llegar a America tuvieron como punto de partida; tres razas: La indigena originaria, la europea conquistadora y dueña y la incorporada a la fuerza de Africa, la raza

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Jose:
Muchas gracias por su atención.
-Scott