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hi im searching for the parents of isabel martin who is my 3rd gr grandmother. she was born about 1825 in mexico and death dates is unknown at this time. her father is a lucas martin and a woman by last name of gregoria. i would like to know the mothers name as im currently working on my family tree. any help would be appreciated. i currently have a folder on here that anyone can view as follows http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/stephmartinez316

thank you for your time my name is stephanie martinez

Published by iChristopher – Tue, 2016-05-31 10:50 | Permalink

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Hi Stephanie,

Do you know where in Mexico Lucas Martin and ____Gregoria are from? Also, are you sure about Gregoria being a last name? It's more of a first name. Also, do you know who Isabel Martin married and where?

Chris

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hi chris nice to meet you im stephanie. my information is gleaned from the following source citations as evidenced.. that was furnished through ancestry.com and through family search. it was entitled Jalisco, Mexico, Civil Registration Deaths, 1856-1987 there it was listed parents as a lucas martin and or a gregoria woman. Lucas Martin
1809–
BIRTH MARCH 1809 • San Francisco De Asis , Jocotepec, Jalisco,Mexico
DEATH UNKNOWN • Mexico also another source of citation was through family search and here is link to it as follows: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1979 Jocotepec San Francisco de Asís Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1854-1857 regarding one of the children .

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Stephanie,

was Isabel Martin married in America or Mexico and do you know who she married. Also, Gregoria woman sounds to me like Gregoria is the first name. Also, if this is on a death certificate, I'm not sure I would put a lot of faith in it. it sounds like they really didn't know.

Danny C. Alonso

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Dear Stephanie,

In order to help you, I would need to know how to access the documents that you do have on Isabel Martin to look for clues on how to proceed. How do you know her father is Lucas Martin? How do I see that record to look for more clues for identifying her parents and grandparents? Unfortunately, Without this information I wouldn't be able to help you.

Good Luck,

R.A. Ricci

PS does Isabel have any siblings? What information do you have on Isabel and her husband?

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Tue, 2016-05-31 00:06 | Permalink

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Dear Stephanie,

I need more information in order to help you. Where did you get the information that Isabel's parents are Lucas Martin and a woman surnamed Gregoria? I would start by reviewing every word in the record that gave you this information looking for clues.

R.A.Ricci

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hi i had received the source of citation that was furnished through ancestry.com and through family search. it was entitled Jalisco, Mexico, Civil Registration Deaths, 1856-1987 there it was listed parents as a lucas martin and or a gregoria woman. Lucas Martin
1809–
BIRTH MARCH 1809 • San Francisco De Asis , Jocotepec, Jalisco,Mexico
DEATH UNKNOWN • Mexico also another source of citation was through family search and here is link to it as follows: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1979 Jocotepec San Francisco de Asís Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1854-1857 regarding one of the children .

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I took a look at the indexed/extracted records for Isabel Martin, and her family. With the limited info in this post I was unable to find any information on them.

I then thought of looking at the info in your file to see if info there would lead to them. I started with Cresencio Martinez and Felicitas Coronado. I found some errors and omissions in your data, as well as some inconsistencies.

I was using Ancestry.com (Library edition).

I found six children for Francisco Coronado and Emilia Sanchez. Felicitas Coronado was not born 19 Oct 1896, but instead 18 May 1898, in Villa de Cos, Zacatecas. Her brother Francisco was born 19 Oct 1896, Villa de Cos. The Villa de Cos civil records are indexed at Ancestry.com so these are easy to find.

I could not duplicate your info on Cresencio Martinez's birth. I found a Cresencio Martinez born 19 Apr 1893, in Teoquitlan de Corona, Jalisco, son of Jose Maria Martinez and Maria Valenda (not Veleida). This record is in the volume for 1893, image 66

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hi george thank you so much for responding to me . yes my great grandmother was known to my family as felix as it was a family nickname for her. as for my great grandfather his birthdates etc were gleaned from social security records, ancestry.com my personal families records from lyons, ks genealogical society etc. i had a question about silveria person in a record that was found on ancestry.com i only found name and hasnt found anything more about her since then. however i did notice that many of my families records through family search are very vague. there is mestizo and or india posted in some of them and then it trails off.

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Stephanie

You're welcome!

Your family info about "Felix" is important, and gives some evidence that the marriage of Cresencio to "Maria Felix Coronado" is probably the right one.

Jose Marie Martinez is a pretty common name, so that by itself is not very helpful. The town in that Cresencio Martinez birth record actually is Teocuitatlan de Corona (by the way, in my earlier post I misspelled the name of the town) and is a long way from Villa de Cos, as well as a significant distance from Guadalajara. To have some certainty that he is the right one we need something in Villa de Cos that ties him to that town. I was only able to find one child of Cresencio in Villa de Cos. I found the 1940 census for Rice County, KS, for the family of Crcencio and Felicitas Martinez - all the children are born in Kansas. The child born in Mexico in 1915 is not there. He may have died early, as child deaths are pretty common, which may explain his absence.

The 1914 marriage record for Cresencio and Maria

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Dear George and Stephanie,

Jose Simon Martinez and Maria Rosalia Delgadillo are the parents of Rafael Martinez

Victor Velos and Maria Guadalupe Cordero are the parents of Maria Antonia Velos

Rafael Martinez Delgadillo (b.1801) married 10/Jan/1821) Maria Antonia Velos (b1804) are the parents of Memerto Martinez Velos

Memerto Martinez Velos was married to Maria Viviana Cervantes Rodriguez on 10/Aug/1845 in Señor San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico

Memerto Martinez and Maria Viviana Cervantes are the parents of Serapio Martinez Cervantes who is baptized 10/Sep/1846 in Señor San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico

Serapio Martinez and Pia Gallegos are the parents of Jose Maria Martinez who is married to Silveria Aguiñaga

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Jose Domingo Cervantes and Maria Nieves Terrones are the parents of Monico Cervantes Terrones.(b.1801)

Jose Urbano Rodriguez and Maria Dionica Gertrudis Lira are the parents of Juana (Ana) Maria Rodriguez Lira

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yes all children of crescencio martinez who were my great grandparents were born in kansas. one of them was my grandpa john coronado martinez. however i do believe the 2 oldest children by names of antonio and or juaquina were born in mexico. antonio the boy you were referring too unfortunately was kidnapped in lyons , kansas while playing in yard. the boy was never found however family of mine says he was taken to mexico . i can contact lyons ks genealogical society to see if death certificate is available on crescencio far as i know he said he was from guadalara jalisco mexico from newspaper clipping of obituary etc.. they died 4 yrs before i was even born. as for lucas martin and or isabel martin or martinez was married to a sebastian veleida or velenda . she was born roughly about 1825 from mexico . on page 6 of record: jalisco, Mexico, Civil Registration Deaths, 1856-1987 i found through ancestry.com lists a child by name of Maria Francisca Veleida. parents of isabel was a lucas

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-06-15 23:53 | Permalink

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I don't understand where Isabel Martin fits in the family tree.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Thu, 2016-06-16 15:06 | Permalink

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Dear Katherine,

You are right about it being Delgadillo and not Rodriguez. I looked at the notes I made and the surname is Delgadillo. I went back and edited the tree and replaced Rodriguez with Delgadillo.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Published by stephmartinez316 – Thu, 2016-06-16 14:32 | Permalink

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after reading some of the records that were found i think i will agrees with you george and or katherine on this so i will have to tear down a part of the tree and re-enter information and or attaches informations to it . this is fantastic loves this group thank you everyone .

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crescencio birth record copy i have states mother was a martina veleida or valenda and or a jose maria martinez however on the marriage record copy that i had read and or saved says silveria woman was there so maybe that was a 2nd marriage for his father perhaps back then.