Jessica Castaneda wrote:

style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Thanks for
the suggestion. I am sitting
here trying to get started and I guess the best thing would be just to
start
ordering the films

be a sneeker, "Just do it." Sacrifice a movie and just order two films.
It will take some time but go through them frame by frame. If you have
a digital camera take it with you and copy the records for each surname
your family also holds in comon. . .later you might recognize it as
being one of your own family members if you don't recongnize it right
away. Make sure you collect oral history as complete as you can with
regards to your husbands siblings, parents, aunts, uncles, and
grandparents and siblings.



guestimate the ages if you don't have an index. if he the person you
are looking for was first born then figure his parents were in the
range of 15-25 unless one or both parents are getting remarried. and
figure they had kids on average of 9-18 months between.



and yes your husband was wrong. if they came from that area and they
lived there during the time that films are available you will find
something but if you do as you already know and have patience.



joseph

style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">. My husband
says I am crazy and there is now way I will find
anything- I know I can if I can just have a
little patience.
- Jessica

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Edward Serros

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09, 2006
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> Jessica:

>

> I think you are going to have
somewhat of a
difficult time since I

> think that the Valparaiso films are
not
indexed in familysearch.  I

> know that Ed Serros is researching
family in
that parrish so he can

> probably give you some better tips
about what
to do, but it may

> entail simply ordering the films
and going
through them.  Many of the

> books from the 19th century have
indexes by name,
so perhaps it is

> not as daunting as it may seem.

>

> Good luck.



Jessica,



I have been trying to figure out how to
respond to
you and to Arturo's comments. I agree

with what Arturo has said in general.
The
Valparaiso data is indexed well in the Mormon

films after about 1880, so it is fairly
straight
forward after those dates; the Internet IGI

(familysearch.org data) is another story
and is
sparse to say the least. Before 1880 it is a

real crap-shoot, at least for me. My
families came
in and out of the Valparaiso area and I

sometimes wonder if that was not the
norm, rather
than the exception. A few months ago I

asked one of my patients who grew up in
the area
about that migratory movement of the

Valparaiso people and he stated that
people moved
to where they had to go in order to

survive. The extreme example of course
is a move
to the USA. How true this is I have no

idea.



I would like to introduce the following
type of
thinking to the group that perhaps we have

not discussed much. The surnames
(apellidos)
typically reflect the paternal lines. With the

paternal surnames come: Spanish
surnames, Spanish
Y-DNA, and migratory patterns that

perhaps can be traced. The maternal
lines
generally reflect Native American Indian

processes: NAI mothers, relatively (and
I
emphasize relatively) stable locations, unstable

surnames (because of illegitimacy,
culture, etc.),
and NAI mtDNA.



Therefore, it is more and more clear to
me that I
can more easily follow the migration

patterns of my paternal (Spanish)
ancestors and
have less of a chance with my maternal

(NAI) ancestors. Having said that, my
paternal
Cerros family came to Valparaiso in 1890 or

so and were essentially gone by 1920. My
Felgueres
family, who were hacendados, came

to Valparaiso in 1855 or so and were
essentially
gone by 1928. The maternal sides, e.g.

Pinedos, may have been there for
centuries
perhaps---I don't know.



I leave you with what Arturo Ramos had
to say to
me about the Pinedo family members

that we both claim; I hope he does not
mind. I
find the Pinedos in Valparaiso, Mesquitic,

Colotlan, amongst other "rancho" places.



"The first Pinedo arrived in Jerez from
Spain
the 1580s from what Leonardo (de la Torre)

tells me.  The family was quite prolific
there and married into many of the

wealthy families in the area, including
the
Calderas, De Avilas, etc. 

Branches spread throughout the
Jerez/Colotlan area
including to Monte

Escobedo and Totatiche (my branches). 
There
are a number of ranchos around

Monte Escobedo called "de los Pinedos"
and thus many africans and indiands

also took on the name... there was one
very
prolific mulato in Colotlan in

the 1700s by the name of Diego Pinedo."



Good luck. Let me know of your findings.



Ed