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The Villarreal's are a very prominent family from the Zacatecas region, which although a different state than Jalisco is very close to Los Altos. The main trade caravans during the period using mule teams were out of Teocaltiche. They traveled locally and all the way to Santa Fe. I will scan and post the info I have.
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I just wanted to share something that about my past. Recently, I learned what native american blood we have from our father's side of the family. On the marriage record of Thomas Bermeo and Juana Flores (1742) it is mentioned that They were "Indios Tlaxcaltecos" and their parents origin was Nadadores,Coahuila, this is a small town close to Cuatro Cienegas. Here's what's interesting: Tlaxcaltecos Indians were not indigenous to Nuevo Leon/Coahuila area. Upon further research, I found out that these were the same Indians that had befriended Cortez and helped bring the Aztec empire down. Further, they were brought up by the Espanoles to the Nuevo Leon/Coahuila area to help docile the local population. I thought this information was wonderful and it was found through birth certificates!. Our indigenous heritage was purposely down-played, and I, for one was delighted to find out why some of us are "morenos" on our father's side of the family. Regarding the DNA project, a distant cousin of mine did do it. He found out that we were Jewish, as was suspected with our Villarreal line. Later, I found out that my great uncle always knew about our heritage, but the aunts kept it under wraps, for fear of "talk". That explains why this side of the family aren't real "catolicos-romanos-apostolicos". Further, I found out that I am a direct link to the Villarreales who settled in the Nuevo Leon area - my great great grandfather was from the very same area - how cool is that? We are trying to find out about the other Villarreal (my grandmother was also one) - and when the migration occurred to Cd Victoria and then Coahuila. I wish I could find similar type of information on my mom's side of the family, who are from Zacatecas. I am beginning to suspect that they may have come from Jalisco before settling there - I am at a stand-still with the Herrera/Luna branch who came from the Tlaltenango area. I may have to make a visit to the local archives. Esperanza I
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I am in the process of getting my DNA test via a brother. I notice alot of discussion regarding our rainbow spectrum. Most of us being from the Central Mexican provinces will be most affected by the Rainbow spectrum. The silver cities, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and Jalisco were more predominately Espanol because the Indigenous population was less settled in those areas and thus less present and those that were succumbed to the European illness and savagery of how that part of our bloodline mistreated the labor of that part of the bloodline. I also have the dark to white spectrum in my family, the Rubio's form Los Altos married las morenas from Durango, when grandpa from his flight from Teocaltiche married a second wife, because tragically his first died via the various plaques that affected Mexico during this turbulent time.
Spainards are not all blond and blue eyed and only a small minority are tall, from the Extremadura area region, where the conquistadors are from. Spain is at the cross roads of Europe so generally northern Spain is a mixture of Galicians, Welsh, Basque, Catalans who whose language is closely related to the Provencal for the French. Southern Spain is Jewish and Arab historcially until many of us were kicked-out in 1492. Race and culture are a state is constant change. Mexico has had 550 years to get over it's castas and further stir the pot. Then after many of clung so hard to marrying from within we still had change and have the recessive gene in us popping back out when our kids marry those fair ones. We got to love them all and boy my dark grandaughters are as middle eastern looking as you can get and beautiful, but so is the little white "Viking." Let me tell you we traveled all but region in Spain and those southern belles and boys
are the tallest, darker and most striking good looking people. In northern Spain (where one maternal g-grandfather was from)everybody is short, top heavy, fair but plain, just like papa Estevan. Seville was cool, you would see familes that looked like the rainbow coaltion.
are the tallest, darker and most striking good looking people. In northern Spain (where one maternal g-grandfather was from)everybody is short, top heavy, fair but plain, just like papa Estevan. Seville was cool, you would see familes that looked like the rainbow coaltion.
I have a recipe for lamb based birria from my family from Los Altos and it is the "bomb"! I will post soon.
Sylvia Rodriguez Robles MPA
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Alice,
I feel the same way as you do. We have 3 children all of which married Anglo-Americans. My greatest desire was to have brown grandbabies so as not to lose our heritage. I would love them all and do love them regardless of their color or parentage. But I too have a problem with wanting to be only European.
I think Joseph mentioned in one of his previous comments that he will stop people just to ask them what part of Mexico they are from. My husband and I do the same thing, in a restaurant, the gardeners, our cleaning ladies or a new company employee with a spanish surname.
As I grow older I become more Mexicana not less. As I grow older I go back to who I've always been with the sense and security that comes with love and acceptance of who you are. In my younger self I wanted to fit in and be like everyone else even if it meant separating from my roots. Now I'm not willing or able to give that up. Here in California there's a new radio station called La Preciosa. It has been such a wonderful gift to me and to many other people because it embraces our language, music and culture like no other station had for decades.
My five year old blond grandson who is with us a lot will say, Abuela, that's the Mariachi because he has been present at family occasions such as weddings and birthdays where a Mariachi has been playing. I am from Tlachichila Zacatecas in the Municipio de Nochistlan which was the first Guadalajara, where they grow and cultivate great muscians for the mariachi and the banda including Mariachi Vargas who presently has two Tlachichila musicians amongst it's band.
For years I have wanted to know what Indian tribes we descend from. I have learned that in our region the Caxcanes the Guachichiles and the Huicholes were the predominant indian tribes before Los Espanoles arrived and even after and during their reign so I'm assuming that we might be their descendents.
Joseph, I too would like to know if you believe that your DNA test is something that would provide us with something tangible as to our roots and heritage?
Thanks, Alicia.
PS: when I was growing up I was Alice, after I got married I went back to being Alicia my name of birth, go figure!
alice wissing <alice_wissing@...> wrote:
alice wissing <alice_wissing@...> wrote:
Joseph,
Would you be willing to share the results of your DNA test with the group? I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the money and trouble.
Also, I haven't heard anybody out their brag about their dark or short relatives. The more I learn about Mexican history, the more I value Indian characteristics and view them as attractive. The study of my family's genealogy has made me love and respect all my relatives equally, regardless of whether they turned out European, Indian, black, or Asian looking. In fact, the variety in their appearance serves to remind me just how mixed a race we are.
I hope there are others who feel the same way.
Alicia
Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:
Sylvia,
welcome to the group. . .look don't let me bother you too much about the deadline. If April 15 approaches and you are not ready just email me directly (makas@...) let me know you are not ready and how much more time you'll need and you will be "spared" the savageness of my axe swing. I'm trying to be reasonable and give people extra time if needed. then again some never communicate and won't submit and they of course will only feel my wrath come April 15th.
joseph
ps: about the virus thing you mentioned. . .one word: garlic; ajo. If you have an interest in what i'm talking about I can share how it will help you fight future bouts with the more typical virus' people comfront.
pps: cool message from Egypt to Yucatan to Zacatecas. . .as long
as you tie it into Zacatecas I'd be interested in reading a little more about this. I for one would like to trace my DNA indicated Irish, Swedish, English, Jewish roots to my genealogical Mexican roots. Of course those other roots probably happened mega thousands of years ago and my genealogy is only back to about 1730 so far.
Sylvia Robles wrote:
I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet posting my GEDOM Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and have been fighting one virus after another including, healing up my badly sprained ankle. This is my #3 attempt to use this thing right! I am descended from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and Pinos, Zacactecas. I have travelled to both towns and collected substantial data and books from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs from Zacatecas side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from Egypt. The family owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos and meat markets throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas. The Los Altos, side which are in fact tall, 6 to 6'4" were artisans of leather.
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