Comment

I am in the process of trying to do the same.  Here is the information 
from the Univeristy of California library catalog system.  It looks 
like there is a copy at Bancroft at UC Berekely and another at the 
California State Library in San Francisco.  I know there is another at 
UT Brownsville...

 
Author  González-Leal, Mariano.  
Title Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia : estudios histórica, 
antropológico, genealógico y biográfico sobre la población española de 
la zona oriental de la Nueva Galicia, desde su establecimiento en la 
región hasta nuestros días / por Mariano González-Leal ; prólogo del 
Baron de Covadonga.  
Publisher [Guanajuato, México] : Universidad de Guanajuato, Centro de 
Investigaciones Humanísticas, 1982 [i.e. 1983].  
Description v. : genealogical tables ; 23 cm.  
Note Includes indexes.  
Contents v. 2. Esquemas genealógicos: las familias genearcas. 
Diccionario de familias: Aceves - Gómez-Hurtado de Mendoza.  
Language Spanish  
Subject  Spaniards -- Mexico -- Nueva Galicia -- Genealogy.  
  Nueva Galicia -- Genealogy.  
Format Book  

UC Berkeley 
Bancroft F1296.9.S7 G6 1983 Circ status Bancroft Library closed Jun-Oct 
2005: bancroft.berkeley.edu/info/move/ 

California State Library 
Sutro CS108.N83 G65 1982 Circ status v.2 


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Jauregui" <rayjaur@e...> wrote:
>
> Maria,
> 
> I am interested in trying to obtain a copy of the book "Retocos de 
Espaca en la Nueva Galicia" which you talk about in your response to 
Alicia, through the Interlibrary Loan System.  Can you give me more 
detail like, the publisher, catalog number, date published or ISBN 
number.  Also, the name "Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia" sounds 
more like what the title should be?  I have similarly obtained a copy 
of the "Sagrada Mitra" .      
> 
> Ray
>





Comment

Alicia,

I know you did't address your question to me but....

Here's a place where you can find more info.
http://www.genealogia.org.mx/modulos/prodDet.asp?id=5

Or you can try directrly at Luz Montejanos page:
http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/luzmontejano/

Other place where you might find it is Borderland Books

Saludos
Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
>
> Rosalinda,
>  
> Where could I purchase this book, La Sagrada Mitra?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Alicia
> 
> lareina2@i... wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs $160. 
I purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful and
interesting.  It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the
relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the group, I would be
happy to do lookups of names.  The book focuses on the areas within
the archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early
1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the complete
names of a couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and
approximate dates to my private email address.   I'll respond as soon
as possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the
dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you can look up the
actual document.
>  
> Rosalinda
>





Comment

Here's Luz Montejano web page.  It isn't updated very frequently but
it has some information and an email address to write to her.

http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/luzmontejano/

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rosalinda maybe later we can have you or someone interview the 
> Author Luz Montejano. . .do we have a volunteer for this project?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> lareina2@i... wrote:
> 
> > Hi group,
> >
> > I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs $160.  I 
> > purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful and 
> > interesting.  It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the 
> > relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the group, I would be 
> > happy to do lookups of names.  The book focuses on the areas within 
> > the archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early 
> > 1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the
complete 
> > names of a couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and 
> > approximate dates to my private email address.   I'll respond as soon 
> > as possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the 
> > dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you can look up the 
> > actual document.
> >  
> > Rosalinda
> >  
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Arturo Ramos
> > Sent: Oct 10, 2005 11:29 AM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records
> >
> > Alicia:
> >
> > I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually started last
> > Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some relatives.  On my
> > maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible memory and still
> > recalls the names and family history of her great-grandparents from
> > stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side, my father was
> > made the keeper of family history when he was handed a pile of
> > documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These two
> > repositories made it much easier to delve into the baptismal records
> > since I had good family information going back to the late 1800s.
> >
> > The next piece of luck I had was that the main town where I have been
> > researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church records... no
> > missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI.  Now that I have
> > started branching out more and more to other towns, I realize that
> > this is not the case everywhere.
> >
> > Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina, from this group
> > have helped me out a lot.  Also, the local histories and genealogies
> > that have been written up and the land documents and censuses that
> > have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes Salazar for Totatiche have
> > been very helpful.  I know that the easy part is now over as the
> > baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche and Colotlan.
> >
> > Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion and I spend every
> > other Saturday at the Family History Center and lots of free time
> > doing research, filling in holes, etc.
> >
> > Alicia, I had not heard of this Retonos de Espana book... I will have
> > to look it up, though even the Library of Congress does not appear to
> > have a copy.
> >
> > Alberto, the Sagrada Mitra is a transcription of a large number of
> > FHL/LDS films on marriage dispensations by the Bishphoric of New
> > Galicia (which included the modern states of Jalisco, Nayarit,
> > Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon, and Texas) in the 1600s and
> > 1700s, with a name index.  The FHL in Salt Lake City has a copy, but
> > it is not on film.  I suggest you try to find a copy near you in a
> > library... Alternatively you can order one from Borderlands Books.
> >
> > http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp
> >
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814" <mcortez3@g...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Alicia,
> > >
> > > I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten back that far.  The
> > > thing that helped me is that one of my relatives had done some
> > > research prior to me starting mine.  She gave me copies of
> > certified
> > > baptismal records for 5 generations back.  That helped with one of
> > my
> > > grandparent's lineage.  Then, I delved into the Sagrada Mitra
> > records
> > > and found one dispensa that gave me 5 generations for one couple. 
> > > The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes interviews of at least 5
> > > individuals.  The marriage took place in 1735.  That dispensa gave
> > me
> > > my big breakthrough when I borrowed a copy of Retoños de España en
> > la
> > > Nueva Galicia and found several of my lines going back to the
> > > 1500's!  Needless to say, that was a very exciting moment for me. 
> > >
> > > I have several genealogy books, but in my opinion, there isn't a
> > > single book that is as comprehensive as Retoños (vol 2) for those
> > of
> > > us researching roots in Nueva Galicia.  I am anxiously awaiting for
> > > the new editions which the author (Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) is
> > > working on presently.  The first edition of Vol 1 & 2 are out of
> > > print. I borrowed my copy from the California State Library.
> > >
> > > I guess the moral of the story is: don't rely solely on microfilm
> > for
> > > research.  Look for books containing published genealogies in your
> > > area of research and ask family members for whatever records they
> > may
> > > have.
> > >
> > > Maria
> > >
> > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Arturo,
> > > > 
> > > > I have to say congratulations, I'm very happy for you and at the
> > > same time a little envious of your accomplishments. How long have
> > you
> > > been researching your ancestry that you have gotten this far back
> > in
> > > time? I think for those of us who think we are not getting there as
> > > fast as we'd like or making as much progress as others seemingly
> > are
> > > making, we'd like to know and get an approximate time of reference
> > so
> > > as not to get too discouraged. We need a little encouragement. I
> > not
> > > only put that question out to you but to the rest of the group.
> > > > 
> > > > Another question to the group is how many of you are doing
> > lateral
> > > research. By lateral I mean across one time span say in a 50 year
> > > range. I'll give an example 1900-1950 which is where I'm focusing
> > on
> > > now. This would include aunts and uncles, their children, spouses
> > and
> > > descendants. For me at least it makes it very interesting to be
> > able
> > > to put a face with the names. Another reason I'm doing this is
> > > because our area of research is so small that everyone in these
> > towns
> > > was related several times over and I many times by way of
> > > conversations get the sense that we were related in more ways than
> > we
> > > can even begin to imagine. They will or would say, "oh yeah my tia
> > > was related to your tio" and I was always left wondering whether it
> > > was true and if true how was that possible.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway just curious to see how others are doing their research
> > and
> > > again congratulations and I wishing you many more breakthroughs. I
> > > know how exciting it is when you make a dent in that brick wall.
> > > > 
> > > > Sinceramente, Alicia Avelar de Carrillo
> > > > 
> > > > I myself am not only going back in time but because I know of
> > many
> > > present family lines am working laterally in addition to just going
> > > back in time.
> > > >
> > > > Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> > > > This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
> > > (which
> > > > by the way is an incredible resource that everyone should look at
> > > if
> > > > you have traced your lineages going back as far as the 1700s) and
> > > made
> > > > a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my research to some
> > > new
> > > > towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most likely the area
> > > around
> > > > Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is doing
> > research
> > > in
> > > > these places and any hints that would be useful.
> > > >
> > > > The breakthroughs are as follows:
> > > >
> > > > Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil, Zacatecas,
> > > > illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA and Isabel DE
> > > PIERO. 
> > > > He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised and schooled
> > by
> > > Sr.
> > > > Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the Consejo de su
> > > Majestad,
> > > > Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.
> > > >
> > > > (Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born in Monte
> > Escobedo
> > > and
> > > > baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find his baptismal
> > > record
> > > > in VRI... looks like some years are missing), son of Lorenso
> > PINEDO
> > > and
> > > > Josepha GAMBOA.  He later moved to Juanacatic, Totatiche, Jalisco
> > > and
> > > > he and his sons continued to marry into families from Monte
> > > Escobedo
> > > > (ROMERO and ROJAS)
> > > >
> > > >
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Comment

Alicia:

I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually started last 
Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some relatives.  On my 
maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible memory and still 
recalls the names and family history of her great-grandparents from 
stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side, my father was 
made the keeper of family history when he was handed a pile of 
documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These two 
repositories made it much easier to delve into the baptismal records 
since I had good family information going back to the late 1800s.

The next piece of luck I had was that the main town where I have been 
researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church records... no 
missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI.  Now that I have 
started branching out more and more to other towns, I realize that 
this is not the case everywhere.

Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina, from this group 
have helped me out a lot.  Also, the local histories and genealogies 
that have been written up and the land documents and censuses that 
have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes Salazar for Totatiche have 
been very helpful.  I know that the easy part is now over as the 
baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche and Colotlan.

Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion and I spend every 
other Saturday at the Family History Center and lots of free time 
doing research, filling in holes, etc.

Alicia, I had not heard of this Retonos de Espana book... I will have 
to look it up, though even the Library of Congress does not appear to 
have a copy.

Alberto, the Sagrada Mitra is a transcription of a large number of 
FHL/LDS films on marriage dispensations by the Bishphoric of New 
Galicia (which included the modern states of Jalisco, Nayarit, 
Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon, and Texas) in the 1600s and 
1700s, with a name index.  The FHL in Salt Lake City has a copy, but 
it is not on film.  I suggest you try to find a copy near you in a 
library... Alternatively you can order one from Borderlands Books.

http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814" <mcortez3@g...> 
wrote:
>
> Alicia,
> 
> I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten back that far.  The 
> thing that helped me is that one of my relatives had done some 
> research prior to me starting mine.  She gave me copies of 
certified 
> baptismal records for 5 generations back.  That helped with one of 
my 
> grandparent's lineage.  Then, I delved into the Sagrada Mitra 
records 
> and found one dispensa that gave me 5 generations for one couple.  
> The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes interviews of at least 5 
> individuals.  The marriage took place in 1735.  That dispensa gave 
me 
> my big breakthrough when I borrowed a copy of Retoños de España en 
la 
> Nueva Galicia and found several of my lines going back to the 
> 1500's!  Needless to say, that was a very exciting moment for me.  
> 
> I have several genealogy books, but in my opinion, there isn't a 
> single book that is as comprehensive as Retoños (vol 2) for those 
of 
> us researching roots in Nueva Galicia.  I am anxiously awaiting for 
> the new editions which the author (Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) is 
> working on presently.  The first edition of Vol 1 & 2 are out of 
> print. I borrowed my copy from the California State Library.
> 
> I guess the moral of the story is: don't rely solely on microfilm 
for 
> research.  Look for books containing published genealogies in your 
> area of research and ask family members for whatever records they 
may 
> have.
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> 
wrote:
> >
> > Arturo,
> >  
> > I have to say congratulations, I'm very happy for you and at the 
> same time a little envious of your accomplishments. How long have 
you 
> been researching your ancestry that you have gotten this far back 
in 
> time? I think for those of us who think we are not getting there as 
> fast as we'd like or making as much progress as others seemingly 
are 
> making, we'd like to know and get an approximate time of reference 
so 
> as not to get too discouraged. We need a little encouragement. I 
not 
> only put that question out to you but to the rest of the group.
> >  
> > Another question to the group is how many of you are doing 
lateral 
> research. By lateral I mean across one time span say in a 50 year 
> range. I'll give an example 1900-1950 which is where I'm focusing 
on 
> now. This would include aunts and uncles, their children, spouses 
and 
> descendants. For me at least it makes it very interesting to be 
able 
> to put a face with the names. Another reason I'm doing this is 
> because our area of research is so small that everyone in these 
towns 
> was related several times over and I many times by way of 
> conversations get the sense that we were related in more ways than 
we 
> can even begin to imagine. They will or would say, "oh yeah my tia 
> was related to your tio" and I was always left wondering whether it 
> was true and if true how was that possible.
> >  
> > Anyway just curious to see how others are doing their research 
and 
> again congratulations and I wishing you many more breakthroughs. I 
> know how exciting it is when you make a dent in that brick wall.
> >  
> > Sinceramente, Alicia Avelar de Carrillo
> >  
> > I myself am not only going back in time but because I know of 
many 
> present family lines am working laterally in addition to just going 
> back in time.
> > 
> > Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> > This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara 
> (which 
> > by the way is an incredible resource that everyone should look at 
> if 
> > you have traced your lineages going back as far as the 1700s) and 
> made 
> > a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my research to some 
> new 
> > towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most likely the area 
> around 
> > Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is doing 
research 
> in 
> > these places and any hints that would be useful.
> > 
> > The breakthroughs are as follows:
> > 
> > Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil, Zacatecas, 
> > illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA and Isabel DE 
> PIERO.  
> > He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised and schooled 
by 
> Sr. 
> > Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the Consejo de su 
> Majestad, 
> > Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.
> > 
> > (Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born in Monte 
Escobedo 
> and 
> > baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find his baptismal 
> record 
> > in VRI... looks like some years are missing), son of Lorenso 
PINEDO 
> and 
> > Josepha GAMBOA.  He later moved to Juanacatic, Totatiche, Jalisco 
> and 
> > he and his sons continued to marry into families from Monte 
> Escobedo 
> > (ROMERO and ROJAS)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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