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Published by glorandovalgue – Thu, 2005-04-21 13:01 | Permalink

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Not offended at all.

Of course I was brought up over here, not in mexico. I think we left there
for good when I was like 4 or 5.

But I was baptized as a baby a couple months old, then when I was like in
first grade I went to catacizim and then made my first communinon, then 13
or 14 my confirmation.


But I guess things are just different everywhere and with each family also.



              ~~glo~~






From: Smiley <smileysway2@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:56:55 -0700 (PDT)

...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as I am NOT an authority on
this subject. I spoke in more detail with my MIL and she said that the child
is baptized when they are under 1 year old, then at the age of 3 or later,
they are then confirmed. The timeframe depends on the parents. If the
child has NOT been presented to the church before this time, then anyone can
present the child to the Father to have that child blessed (expuesto). My
MIL was born & raised in Mexico and up until a few years ago, lived there
her whole life. I did not mean to upset anyone with my reply so if I did, I
apologize...


Smiley



Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:

I'm with Maria on this. Confirmations in Mexico take place at about 2 years
old after the Baptism has been received.

In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used to take place
around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough to "Confirm" that
they wanted to be a member of the church--This has changed quite recently to
as early as 7 years of age.


Not so in Mexico--this  sacrament is usually received at the age of 2.

Expuesto means the child was left or abandoned on someone's doorstep with
parents unknown.


Irma


---------------------------------
From: Smiley [mailto:smileysway2@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:09 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year of a child's life; and the
confirmations happen when they turn 12-13 years of age; and as far as
"expuestos", my mother in law (who is a devout Catholic) states this is a
word used when the child has NOT been confirmed. They are outside of the
church, or possibly going to another church or have moved out of the area.
I hope this helps you out Chris...


Smiley


readysetgo95814 <nena@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the child's
life.  Shortly after baptism.

Expuestos means children who were abandoned in front of somebody's
doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private
residence.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda <pineda37@y...> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
> received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
> of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> born in Tlaltenango.
>
> The problem is that this is the second time, where I
> haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
> born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
> born in some other city around Tlal! tenango and later
> moved there.
>
> Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
> timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
>  But I was also thinking that I could request the
> Confirmation records but I really have no idea when
> this usually takes place in someone's life -- I was
> not raised Catholic.
>
> On another note, I've noticed a page after each year
> of baptism records that says "Expuestos" followed by a
> series of names.  Does anyone know what this means?
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,
>
> Chris Pineda
>
>
>
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Published by rmiley – Mon, 2005-04-18 16:50 | Permalink

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...Chris & Maria...Thank you so much for not getting upset with me.  I promise I was just trying to help.  I most definitely will learn from what all you have shared with us.  I love to learn from everybody and I usually do...even when I don't want to admit it...smile!  I hope you do let us know what you find out Chris, as I am pretty sure it will help the rest of us.  Thanks again Maria, for your kind understanding...

 

Still Learning,

 

Smiley



Chris Pineda <pineda37@...> wrote:


I appreciate all the help people have given me on my
questions.

In regard to the 'Expuestos" question, I did notice
that what followed the 'Expuestos' heading were a
series of names without last names or parental
information (unlike the regular baptism records). So
the notion that these children were abandoned makes
sense. This was for baptism records in the 1850s for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon.

As for the Confirmations question, the timeframe I was
looking was for in the Tlaltenango records was 1895 or
so, so if I find anything I'll be sure to let you
know.

Again, I really appreciate all the emails.

Chris Pineda

--- readysetgo95814 wrote:

>
> No offense taken. We are all here to learn and
> benefit from each
> other's experiences. I myself was born in
>
Guadalajara and I was
> confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a
> year of my
> baptism. So was everyone I knew. I think Chris'
> question was
> related to an ancestor so I answered it according to
> the timeframe
> Chris was referring to (1800's or so) for a
> gggreat-grandfather.
>
> The records I have examined for expuestos are pretty
> clear in the
> language they use that the child was abandoned.
> They list no
> parents' names and the child is not given a surname.
> They are also
> very specific as to the location where the child was
> left. Such as,
> being left on the doorstep of Don Ygnacio Sánchez.
> They also say
> the child is being baptized, not just blessed.
> Thus, you find them
> in the baptismal books, as Chris did.
>
> I also do not profess to be an authority on the
> subject, but only
>
speak from my own limited experience.
>
> Maria
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Smiley
> wrote:
> > ...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as
> I am NOT an
> authority on this subject. I spoke in more detail
> with my MIL and
> she said that the child is baptized when they are
> under 1 year old,
> then at the age of 3 or later, they are then
> confirmed. The
> timeframe depends on the parents. If the child has
> NOT been
> presented to the church before this time, then
> anyone can present
> the child to the Father to have that child blessed
> (expuesto). My
> MIL was born & raised in Mexico and up until a few
> years ago, lived
> there her whole life. I did not mean to upset
> anyone with my reply
> so if I did, I apologize...
> >
> > Smiley
> >
> >

> >
> > Irma GomezLucero wrote:
> > I'm with Maria on this. Confirmations in Mexico
> take place at
> about 2 years old after the Baptism has been
> received.
> >
> > In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I
> say used to take
> place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old
> of enough
> to "Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the
> church--This has
> changed quite recently to as early as 7 years of
> age.
> >
> > Not so in Mexico--this sacrament is usually
> received at the age
> of 2.
> >
> > Expuesto means the child was left or abandoned on
> someone's
> doorstep with parents unknown.
> >
> > Irma
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > From: Smiley [mailto:smileysway2@y...]
> > Sent:
Monday, April 18, 2005 6:09 AM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Question about
> Confirmations, and
> Expuestos
> >
> >
> >
> > ...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year of
> a child's life;
> and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13
> years of age; and
> as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a
> devout Catholic)
> states this is a word used when the child has NOT
> been confirmed.
> They are outside of the church, or possibly going to
> another church
> or have moved out of the area. I hope this helps
> you out Chris...
> >
> > Smiley
> >
> >
> > readysetgo95814 wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > Confirmations usually occurred within the first
> year of the
> child's
> >
life. Shortly after baptism.
> >
> > Expuestos means children who were abandoned in
> front of somebody's
> > doorstep. Sometimes it was a church, often times
> it was a private
> > residence.
> >
> > Maria
> >
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda
> wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > I was hoping for some quick guidance. I
> requested and
> > > received the baptism microfilm to determine the
> names
> > > of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor
> Pineda,
> > > born in Tlaltenango.
> > >
> > > The problem is that this is the second time,
> where I
> > > haven't found him for the timeframe in which he
> was
> > > born. This has led me to believe that perhaps
> he was
> > > born in some
other city around Tlal! tenango and
> later
> > > moved there.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for
> the
> > > timeframe I think he was later married in
> Tlaltenango.
> > > But I was also thinking that I could request
> the
> > > Confirmation records but I really have no idea
> when
> > > this usually takes place in someone's life -- I
> was
> > > not raised Catholic.
> > >
> > > On another note, I've noticed a page after each
> year
> > > of baptism records that says "Expuestos"
> followed by a
> > > series of names. Does anyone know what this
> means?
> > >
> > > Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,
> > >
> > > Chris Pineda
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Published by dhrisoineda – Mon, 2005-04-18 12:44 | Permalink

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I appreciate all the help people have given me on my
questions. 

In regard to the 'Expuestos" question, I did notice
that what followed the 'Expuestos' heading were a
series of names without last names or parental
information (unlike the regular baptism records). So
the notion that these children were abandoned makes
sense. This was for baptism records in the 1850s for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon.

As for the Confirmations question, the timeframe I was
looking was for in the Tlaltenango records was 1895 or
so, so if I find anything I'll be sure to let you
know. 

Again, I really appreciate all the emails.

Chris Pineda

--- readysetgo95814 <nena@...> wrote:

> 
> No offense taken.  We are all here to learn and
> benefit from each 
> other's experiences.  I myself was born in
> Guadalajara and I was 
> confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a
> year of my 
> baptism.  So was everyone I knew. I think Chris'
> question was 
> related to an ancestor so I answered it according to
> the timeframe 
> Chris was referring to (1800's or so) for a
> gggreat-grandfather.
> 
> The records I have examined for expuestos are pretty
> clear in the 
> language they use that the child was abandoned. 
> They list no 
> parents' names and the child is not given a surname.
>  They are also 
> very specific as to the location where the child was
> left.  Such as, 
> being left on the doorstep of Don Ygnacio Sánchez. 
> They also say 
> the child is being baptized, not just blessed. 
> Thus, you find them 
> in the baptismal books, as Chris did.
> 
> I also do not profess to be an authority on the
> subject, but only 
> speak from my own limited experience.
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Smiley
> <smileysway2@y...> wrote:
> > ...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as
> I am NOT an 
> authority on this subject. I spoke in more detail
> with my MIL and 
> she said that the child is baptized when they are
> under 1 year old, 
> then at the age of 3 or later, they are then
> confirmed.  The 
> timeframe depends on the parents.  If the child has
> NOT been 
> presented to the church before this time, then
> anyone can present 
> the child to the Father to have that child blessed
> (expuesto).  My 
> MIL was born & raised in Mexico and up until a few
> years ago, lived 
> there her whole life.  I did not mean to upset
> anyone with my reply 
> so if I did, I apologize...
> >  
> > Smiley
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@c...> wrote:
> > I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico
> take place at 
> about 2 years old after the Baptism has been
> received.  
> >  
> > In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I
> say used to take 
> place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old
> of enough 
> to "Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the
> church--This has 
> changed quite recently to as early as 7 years of
> age.    
> >  
> > Not so in Mexico--this  sacrament is usually
> received at the age 
> of 2.  
> >  
> > Expuesto means the child was left or abandoned on
> someone's 
> doorstep with parents unknown.  
> >  
> > Irma
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > From: Smiley [mailto:smileysway2@y...] 
> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:09 AM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Question about
> Confirmations, and 
> Expuestos
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year of
> a child's life; 
> and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13
> years of age; and 
> as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a
> devout Catholic) 
> states this is a word used when the child has NOT
> been confirmed.  
> They are outside of the church, or possibly going to
> another church 
> or have moved out of the area.  I hope this helps
> you out Chris...
> >  
> > Smiley 
> >  
> > 
> > readysetgo95814 <nena@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Chris,
> > 
> > Confirmations usually occurred within the first
> year of the 
> child's 
> > life.  Shortly after baptism. 
> > 
> > Expuestos means children who were abandoned in
> front of somebody's 
> > doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times
> it was a private 
> > residence. 
> > 
> > Maria
> > 
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda
> <pineda37@y...> wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> > > 
> > > I was hoping for some quick guidance. I
> requested and
> > > received the baptism microfilm to determine the
> names
> > > of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor
> Pineda,
> > > born in Tlaltenango.   
> > > 
> > > The problem is that this is the second time,
> where I
> > > haven't found him for the timeframe in which he
> was
> > > born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps
> he was
> > > born in some other city around Tlal! tenango and
> later
> > > moved there. 
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for
> the
> > > timeframe I think he was later married in
> Tlaltenango.
> > >  But I was also thinking that I could request
> the
> > > Confirmation records but I really have no idea
> when
> > > this usually takes place in someone's life -- I
> was
> > > not raised Catholic. 
> > > 
> > > On another note, I've noticed a page after each
> year
> > > of baptism records that says "Expuestos"
> followed by a
> > > series of names.  Does anyone know what this
> means?
> > > 
> > > Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Chris Pineda
> > > 
> > > 
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Published by rmiley – Mon, 2005-04-18 10:56 | Permalink

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...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as I am NOT an authority on this subject. I spoke in more detail with my MIL and she said that the child is baptized when they are under 1 year old, then at the age of 3 or later, they are then confirmed.  The timeframe depends on the parents.  If the child has NOT been presented to the church before this time, then anyone can present the child to the Father to have that child blessed (expuesto).  My MIL was born & raised in Mexico and up until a few years ago, lived there her whole life.  I did not mean to upset anyone with my reply so if I did, I apologize...

 

Smiley

 



Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:

I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico take place at about 2 years old after the Baptism has been received. 

 

In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used to take place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough to "Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the church--This has changed quite recently to as early as 7 years of age.   

 

Not so in Mexico--this  sacrament is usually received at the age of 2. 

 

Expuesto means the child was left or abandoned on someone's doorstep with parents unknown. 

 

Irma



From: Smiley [mailto:smileysway2@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:09 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos



...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year of a child's life; and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13 years of age; and as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a devout Catholic) states this is a word used when the child has NOT been confirmed.  They are outside of the church, or possibly going to another church or have moved out of the area.  I hope this helps you out Chris...

 

Smiley

 


readysetgo95814 <nena@...> wrote:


Hi Chris,

Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the child's
life.  Shortly after baptism.

Expuestos means children who were abandoned in front of somebody's
doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private
residence.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda <pineda37@y...> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
> received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
> of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> born in Tlaltenango.  
>
> The problem is that this is the second time, where I
> haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
> born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
> born in some other city around Tlal! tenango
and later
> moved there.
>
> Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
> timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
>  But I was also thinking that I could request the
> Confirmation records but I really have no idea when
> this usually takes place in someone's life -- I was
> not raised Catholic.
>
> On another note, I've noticed a page after each year
> of baptism records that says "Expuestos" followed by a
> series of names.  Does anyone know what this means?
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,
>
> Chris Pineda
>
>
>            
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Published by jrmahomezmucer – Mon, 2005-04-18 07:31 | Permalink

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color=#0000ff size=2>I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico take
place at about 2 years old after the Baptism has been received. 

color=#0000ff size=2> 

color=#0000ff size=2>In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used
to take place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough to
"Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the church--This has changed quite
recently to as early as 7 years of age.   

color=#0000ff size=2> 

color=#0000ff size=2>Not so in Mexico--this  sacrament is usually received
at the age of 2. 

color=#0000ff size=2> 

color=#0000ff size=2>Expuesto means the child was left or abandoned on someone's
doorstep with parents unknown. 


color=#0000ff> 

Irma
class=490342114-18042005>



From: Smiley [mailto:smileysway2@...]

Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:09 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Question about
Confirmations, and Expuestos



...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year
of a child's life; and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13 years of
age; and as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a devout
Catholic) states this is a word used when the child has NOT been
confirmed.  They are outside of the church, or possibly going to another
church or have moved out of the area.  I hope this helps you out
Chris...

 

Smiley
src=""
NOSEND="1">

 


readysetgo95814 <nena@...> wrote:

style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
Hi
Chris,

Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the
child's
life.  Shortly after baptism.

Expuestos means
children who were abandoned in front of somebody's
doorstep. 
Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private
residence.


Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda
<pineda37@y...> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was hoping
for some quick guidance. I requested and
> received the baptism
microfilm to determine the names
> of the parents of my
great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> born in Tlaltenango.  

>
> The problem is that this is the second time, where I
>
haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
> born.  This
has led me to believe that perhaps he was
> born in some other city
around Tlal! tenango and later
> moved there.
>
> Anyway,
I'm requesting the marriage records for the
> timeframe I think he was
later married in Tlaltenango.
>  But I was also thinking that I
could request the
> Confirmation records but I really have no idea
when
> this usually takes place in someone's life -- I was
> not
raised Catholic.
>
> On another note, I've noticed a page after
each year
> of baptism records that says "Expuestos" followed by
a
> series of names.  Does anyone know what this means?
>

> Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,
>
> Chris
Pineda
>
>
>      
     
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