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Thanks for the response. It was/is a long shot but I'm sure stranger things happened in the past when it comes to making family connections Sad to see that your Carrillo data is a meager as mine. However, I'm certain this will not stop us from looking, asking questions and sharing information. After years of searching I only recently found hard birth data on my father and his brother via the LDS FHC film library. I finally got to experience what it's like to do the "happy dance." I wish the same for you./Adelante-Raul Felix

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From: Alicia Carrillo
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Hola Raul,

In response to your letter where you tell of your mother searching for her natural father Jose Carrillo. My heart breaks for her. To live your entire life wondering what became of your father must be heartbreaking.

My husband Juan Carrillo's dad was Antonio Carrillo. He was raised almost as an orphan therefore we did not know much about his family. His father died when he was young and his mother left him and his two brothers to be cared for by family members and not close family at that. He grew up not as a family member but mostly as a hired hand for the family's ranch. He never learned to read or write. It was said that his mother was in Kansas but he could never verify it. He died in 1985 before I began my inquiry into our ancestry. What a shame that I did not take the time or opportunity to search or even to ask him in detail while he was alive.

That is what compelled me to go to the rootsweb message boards and post a message searching for Mariana Carrillo Jauregui, (his mother). My father in-law was believed to have been born around 1901 in the Municipio de Nochistlan but was raised in Jalpa Zacatecas very close to Calvillo Aguascalientes. He had two brothers but I don't know what their names were as I never met any of his family nor for that matter did my husband. We could never get a birth certificate for him because it turns out that the records were burned or lost for 1899-1901 in Nochistlan. When I was requesting films they also showed the year 1901 was missing but hopefully I can find something be it in Baptisms or Confirmations.

I have requested my first 8 rolls of film from my family history center and should have them in about a week. What I have gleaned is mostly oral history. That would be interesting to see if we do have a family connection somewhere back in time.

Thank you for writing and we'll keep in touch. I will submit my history as soon as I have something substantial.

Muchas Gracias y Buena Suerte,

Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz de Carrillo

"Raul R. Felix" <vato3@...> wrote:

Hola. I responded to Alicia Carrillo's nopalitos story because I was seeking info with regards the Carrillo name. I believe my grandfather's name was JOSE CARRILLO but I know very little else about him. Based on a brief autobiography from my mother, JOSE CARRILLO married MARIA GARCIA in Chihuahua. They had one child, a daughter, Guadalupe, born 12/12/03. I have NOT BEEN TO CONFIRM/VALIDATE their marriage or the birth of the child via the Chihuahua City records. I've made two trips to Ciudad Chihuahua (1997-98). Subsequent trips were made to Zacatecas City. My research group (La Familia, Anaheim, CA.) also visited nearby Jerez, Guadalupe and Fresnio. It turns out that my families FERNANDEZ (Grandmother) and FELIX (grandfather) are from JEREZ, ZAC. and a place called Hermita De Guadalupe..which I have yet to locate. I can tell you more about Jerez if you are interested. It is my hope that our research group will visit there again. What I'd like to share with you is that my research indicates that MARIA GARCIA'S name was actually MARIA MACIAS. If so, she was 17 at the time of her death (1905) leaving a 2-3 year old daughter (Guadalupe) in the care of friends while her husband JOSE CARRILLO had been drafted (Porfidio Diaz) and sent to serve his enlistment in Sonora. Guadalupe was brought to the USA by those who were left to care for her and thus became her foster parents. JOSE CARRILLO returned to Chi. City to find his wife dead and child gone. Over the years Guadalupe wrote away for information about herself and her parents but never got a single response. She was not allowed to go there in person nor could she afford to do anything more than write letters and make inquiries of people from that area. It was her greatest wish to someday learn what became of her father JOSE CARRILLO. She died in 1985, age 82, and is buried in Delano, CA. next to her husband Leonardo Felix. My research efforts will next focus on researching the LDS-Parral/Hidalgo archives for information regarding MARIA (GARCIA) MACIAS. Our research group visited Parral in 1997 but the archives were still in boxes and not open to the public. Jerez, on the other hand, has the original archives open and available for research. It may turn out that you and I have some blood lines in common? If so, this all comes about because of our mutual interest in nopalitos./Adelante-Raul R. Felix

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Hola Raul,

In response to your letter where you tell of your mother searching for her natural father Jose Carrillo. My heart breaks for her. To live your entire life wondering what became of your father must be heartbreaking.

My husband Juan Carrillo's dad was Antonio Carrillo. He was raised almost as an orphan therefore we did not know much about his family. His father died when he was young and his mother left him and his two brothers to be cared for by family members and not close family at that. He grew up not as a family member but mostly as a hired hand for the family's ranch. He never learned to read or write. It was said that his mother was in Kansas but he could never verify it. He died in 1985 before I began my inquiry into our ancestry. What a shame that I did not take the time or opportunity to search or even to ask him in detail while he was alive.

That is what compelled me to go to the rootsweb message boards and post a message searching for Mariana Carrillo Jauregui, (his mother). My father in-law was believed to have been born around 1901 in the Municipio de Nochistlan but was raised in Jalpa Zacatecas very close to Calvillo Aguascalientes. He had two brothers but I don't know what their names were as I never met any of his family nor for that matter did my husband. We could never get a birth certificate for him because it turns out that the records were burned or lost for 1899-1901 in Nochistlan. When I was requesting films they also showed the year 1901 was missing but hopefully I can find something be it in Baptisms or Confirmations.

I have requested my first 8 rolls of film from my family history center and should have them in about a week. What I have gleaned is mostly oral history. That would be interesting to see if we do have a family connection somewhere back in time.

Thank you for writing and we'll keep in touch. I will submit my history as soon as I have something substantial.

Muchas Gracias y Buena Suerte,

Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz de Carrillo

"Raul R. Felix" <vato3@...> wrote:

Hola. I responded to Alicia Carrillo's nopalitos story because I was seeking info with regards the Carrillo name. I believe my grandfather's name was JOSE CARRILLO but I know very little else about him. Based on a brief autobiography from my mother, JOSE CARRILLO married MARIA GARCIA in Chihuahua. They had one child, a daughter, Guadalupe, born 12/12/03. I have NOT BEEN TO CONFIRM/VALIDATE their marriage or the birth of the child via the Chihuahua City records. I've made two trips to Ciudad Chihuahua (1997-98). Subsequent trips were made to Zacatecas City. My research group (La Familia, Anaheim, CA.) also visited nearby Jerez, Guadalupe and Fresnio. It turns out that my families FERNANDEZ (Grandmother) and FELIX (grandfather) are from JEREZ, ZAC. and a place called Hermita De Guadalupe..which I have yet to locate. I can tell you more about Jerez if you are interested. It is my hope that our research group will visit
there again. What I'd like to share with you is that my research indicates that MARIA GARCIA'S name was actually MARIA MACIAS. If so, she was 17 at the time of her death (1905) leaving a 2-3 year old daughter (Guadalupe) in the care of friends while her husband JOSE CARRILLO had been drafted (Porfidio Diaz) and sent to serve his enlistment in Sonora. Guadalupe was brought to the USA by those who were left to care for her and thus became her foster parents. JOSE CARRILLO returned to Chi. City to find his wife dead and child gone. Over the years Guadalupe wrote away for information about herself and her parents but never got a single response. She was not allowed to go there in person nor could she afford to do anything more than write letters and make inquiries of people from that area. It was her greatest wish to someday learn what became of her father JOSE CARRILLO. She died in 1985, age 82, and is buried in Delano,
CA. next to her husband Leonardo Felix. My research efforts will next focus on researching the LDS-Parral/Hidalgo archives for information regarding MARIA (GARCIA) MACIAS. Our research group visited Parral in 1997 but the archives were still in boxes and not open to the public. Jerez, on the other hand, has the original archives open and available for research. It may turn out that you and I have some blood lines in common? If so, this all comes about because of our mutual interest in nopalitos./Adelante-Raul R. Felix

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Hola. I responded to Alicia Carrillo's nopalitos
story because I was seeking info with regards the Carrillo name. I believe my
grandfather's name was JOSE CARRILLO but I know very little else about him.
Based on a brief autobiography from my mother, JOSE CARRILLO married
MARIA GARCIA in Chihuahua. They had one child, a daughter, Guadalupe, born
12/12/03. I have NOT BEEN TO CONFIRM/VALIDATE their marriage or the birth
of the child via the Chihuahua City records. I've made two trips to Ciudad
Chihuahua (1997-98). Subsequent trips were made to Zacatecas City. My
research group (La Familia, Anaheim, CA.) also visited nearby Jerez,
Guadalupe and Fresnio. It turns out that my families FERNANDEZ (Grandmother) and
FELIX (grandfather) are from JEREZ, ZAC. and a place called Hermita De
Guadalupe..which I have yet to locate. I can tell you more about Jerez if you
are interested. It is my hope that our research group will visit there
again. What I'd like to share with you is that my research indicates that
MARIA GARCIA'S name was actually MARIA MACIAS. If so, she was 17 at the
time of her death (1905) leaving a 2-3 year old daughter (Guadalupe) in the
care of friends while her husband JOSE CARRILLO had been drafted
(Porfidio Diaz) and sent to serve his enlistment in Sonora. Guadalupe was
brought to the USA by those who were left to care for her and thus became her
foster parents. JOSE CARRILLO returned to Chi. City to find his wife
dead and child gone. Over the years Guadalupe wrote away
for information about herself and her parents but never got a single
response. She was not allowed to go there in person nor could she afford to do
anything more than write letters and make inquiries of people from that area. It
was her greatest wish to someday learn what became of her father JOSE
CARRILLO. She died in 1985, age 82, and is buried in Delano, CA. next to
her husband Leonardo Felix. My research efforts will
next focus on researching the LDS-Parral/Hidalgo archives for
information regarding MARIA (GARCIA) MACIAS. Our research group visited Parral
in 1997 but the archives were still in boxes and not open to
the public. Jerez, on the other hand, has the original archives open and
available for research. It may turn out that you and I have some
blood lines in common? If so, this all comes about because of our mutual
interest in nopalitos./Adelante-Raul R. Felix

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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:29
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Alicia of San
Jose

Alicia Carrillo;

    I know how you feel about not
wanting to be labeled a Mexican in an Anglo society. Now that we Latino's
make up 54% of the population of California it is no longer that much of an
issue.

    I was so very interested
to read your posting and I felt that you put into writing what I had
experienced myself.         My father lived
most of his later years there in San Jose. He lived on Little Orchard
street. I visited him there a few times before he
died.  I still have relations there.

    The Macias branch of my
family is from Zacatecas. I don't know where and there is now no
one to ask. I saw a place called "Jerez" on a Document. I wonder
if "Jerez, Zacatecas" is a City, town, parish, rancho, area or rest
stop. I have never been there and don't have a map. Do you know,
Alicia ?

    Funny how a thing does not
follow every generation. My children don't speak Spanish, didn't take
Spanish in school, don't acknowledge when addressed in Spanish and will not
attempt to speak Spanish, make it a point to let it be known that they have no
interest in anything Latin and generally don't have an issue when the issue is
Spanish.




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Alicia
Carrillo

To: href="mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com">ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:06
PM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] More about
Nopales

Here's more on Nopales

My family originates from Zacatecas, specifically Tlachichila from the
Municipality of Nochistlan. As we all know many people have migrated to the
Norte or Los Estados Unidos or as many say El Otro Lado. I grew up in the US
of A in San Jose Calif in an all Anglo community and one thing I didn't want
to be was different from the rest of my class. However different we were. We
had to speak spanish at home which for one who doesn't want to be different
or admit to anyone that you're different this was a tough one to hide.

When we brought friends home we had to speak spanish to my parents and
if someone stayed over for lunch or dinner we had tortillas, nopales, salsa,
mole etc etc.( trying pretending that you're not Mexican). Our
parents knew that we were ashamed and a famous saying was "what are you
trying to hide, anyone who sees you can see the nopales on your forehead and
hanging on your ears. Translation "De que to escondes, se te ven los nopales
en la frente y los traes colgados de las orejas". When I was young I
couldn't understand this saying having been raised here since I was two and
not knowing what Mexico looked like. The first time I went in 1977 I finally
understood what they meant by Los Nopales on the forehead. Nopales grew wild
everywhere in that region. They even fed nopales to the cows when there was
nothing else to feed them during the dry season. They would burn or scald
off the thorns then feed them to the cows, how's that for a recipe for
nopales.

Just a little Zacatecas family story.

Alicia

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I hope I didn't give the wrong impression. Not owning up with pride to being Mexican only lasted until I entered my teens. Our family wouldn't tolerate it for too long. Besides it was more fun to be both Mexican and Gringo. You could have the best of both worlds. I can easily jump into one culture or another. I realized that I didn't have to give up my mexican-ness in order to live and play the American way. I celebrate both cultures with great fervor and joy. Our children also had to speak spanish at home, this as a result of my parents instilling and infusing us with their pride in our heritage. I will forever be greatful to them for this and many other cultural gifts they passed on to us.

Our children have continued this pride in their heritage and while all 3 have married non-Mexicans all three celebrate and live both cultures with ease, with pride and with honor to those who came before us. After all, we all still have the Nopales firmly stamped on our forehead.

Con mucho orgullo y honor a nuestra gente y a nuestra cultura !!

Sinceramente,

Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz, de Carrillo

zendean <usa20@...> wrote:

Alicia Carrillo;

    I know how you feel about not wanting to be labeled a Mexican in an Anglo society. Now that we Latino's make up 54% of the population of California it is no longer that much of an issue.

    I was so very interested to read your posting and I felt that you put into writing what I had experienced myself.         My father lived most of his later years there in San Jose. He lived on Little Orchard street. I visited him there a few times before he died.  I still have relations there.

    The Macias branch of my family is from Zacatecas. I don't know where and there is now no one to ask. I saw a place called "Jerez" on a Document. I wonder if "Jerez, Zacatecas" is a City, town, parish, rancho, area or rest stop. I have never been there and don't have a map. Do you know, Alicia ?

    Funny how a thing does not follow every generation. My children don't speak Spanish, didn't take Spanish in school, don't acknowledge when addressed in Spanish and will not attempt to speak Spanish, make it a point to let it be known that they have no interest in anything Latin and generally don't have an issue when the issue is Spanish.



----- Original Message -----

From: Alicia Carrillo

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:06 PM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] More about Nopales

Here's more on Nopales

My family originates from Zacatecas, specifically Tlachichila from the Municipality of Nochistlan. As we all know many people have migrated to the Norte or Los Estados Unidos or as many say El Otro Lado. I grew up in the US of A in San Jose Calif in an all Anglo community and one thing I didn't want to be was different from the rest of my class. However different we were. We had to speak spanish at home which for one who doesn't want to be different or admit to anyone that you're different this was a tough one to hide.

When we brought friends home we had to speak spanish to my parents and if someone stayed over for lunch or dinner we had tortillas, nopales, salsa, mole etc etc.( trying pretending that you're not Mexican). Our parents knew that we were ashamed and a famous saying was "what are you trying to hide, anyone who sees you can see the nopales on your forehead and hanging on your ears. Translation "De que to escondes, se te ven los nopales en la frente y los traes colgados de las orejas". When I was young I couldn't understand this saying having been raised here since I was two and not knowing what Mexico looked like. The first time I went in 1977 I finally understood what they meant by Los Nopales on the forehead. Nopales grew wild everywhere in that region. They even fed nopales to the cows when there was nothing else to feed them during the dry season. They would burn or scald off the thorns then feed them to the cows, how's that for a recipe for nopales.

Just a little Zacatecas family story.

Alicia

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