color=#0000ff size=2>Hello Emilie and Linda,
color=#0000ff size=2>I also have some Romero ancestors:
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2> Antonio Romero who married Maria de Jesus Castellano
in La Barca, Jalisco (Feb. 12,1820)
in La Barca, Jalisco (Feb. 12,1820)
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2>They had the following children:
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2>Jose-Ramon & Dario-de-Jesus Bap. 12/21/1820
(Tala, Jalisco) East of Guadalajara.
(Tala, Jalisco) East of Guadalajara.
color=#0000ff size=2>Ma. Ygancia-del-Refugio Bap. 1832 Union de San
Antonio, Jal. --Stone's throw from Tepatitlan...
Antonio, Jal. --Stone's throw from Tepatitlan...
color=#0000ff size=2>Pablo-Rafael-del-Refugio Bap. 1821 Tamazula del Refugio,
Jal. --little further...
Jal. --little further...
color=#0000ff size=2>Joaquin Bap.1837 Atotonilco, Jal---Stone's throw from
Tepatitlan
Tepatitlan
color=#0000ff size=2>Ma.-Guadalupe Romero (My maternal grandmother's Great
Grandmother)
Grandmother)
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2> Don't know much else about my Romeros. It would
be interesting to see who your G Grandfather, Manuel's parents are. Makes
me wonder though if there's a connection. Maybe some of the names
above might tie into yours? I would be interested if you find
anything after looking at the marriage record that Arturo
mentions.
be interesting to see who your G Grandfather, Manuel's parents are. Makes
me wonder though if there's a connection. Maybe some of the names
above might tie into yours? I would be interested if you find
anything after looking at the marriage record that Arturo
mentions.
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2>Irma
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Arturo
Ramos
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 10:57 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Digest Number
651
Emilie:
That is a very good write up to get somebody
started on this
research. Be careful Linda, because once you start, it
becomes a
sort of addiction. The more you find, the more questions pop
up and
the more you go looking.
Here is the IGI entry for your
great-granparents' marriage in
Tepetitlan. The next step would be to
go to your family history
center and order this film. It should list
both the bride and the
groom's parents and then you should be able to find
their baptism
records in IGI or VRI as well, and those often list
grandparents in
addition to parents so you get two generations in one
swoop.
MANUEL ROMERO
Male Family
Event(s):
Marriages:
Spouse: MARCELINA DE LA
TORRE Family
Marriage: 19 OCT 1870 Tepatitlan
De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch No.: M603739
Source Call No.:
0218529 Film
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"
<auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
>
We mostly start by looking in the IGI in the FamilySearch.org
website and
then spending hours at our local Family History Center
poring over
microfilms. Luck in finding information is mostly a
matter of hard
work. There is no easy way. You didn't give any
dates in
the sketchy information you gave on your ancestry, or which
resources
you used. It helps to know a little Spanish, but as
limited as my
Spanish is, I have learned a lot just by poring over
the microfilms.
The priests wrote everything in a certain format,
and the Family History
Center in your area (please note your location
from now on so we know where
you are) can get you a copy of
their "Mexico Parish Record Extraction
Training Guide" and
their "Spanish Indexing Reference". It is
instructions for their
extractors, but you can tell them you need it for
your extractions
since they can't help you read records if they have no
Spanish
speaking staff. They have many people doing extractions that
don't
speak Spanish.
>
> One thing I had to learn on my
own is the system they use for
surnames. In Mexico they use both the
father's surname and mother's
surname, never just one surname. For
instance my name here is Emilie
Garcia. In Mexico I would be Emilia
Olague Marquez de Garcia (Garcia
is my married name--my husband would be
Antonio Garcia Acosta).
Perhaps you noticed that your father is listed
in Mexico as Ramon
Romero de la Torre, maybe even Jose Ramon Romero de la
Torre (since
everyone just about was named Jose or Maria) not just Ramon
Romero.
I have broken down many a wall by using both surnames in the
IGI and
using the "Use exact Spelling" when doing so. Then you have to
try
different spellings, since in Spanish then they used x or z for j or
s, y for I, etc. Sometimes they would use a double "l" as in
Padilla, or not, as in Padia. The double l is pronounced like a y.
Sometimes the extractors read an e for an a, etc. There are also
many abbreviations for names such as Je. for Jose, Ma. for Maria,
Gdpe.
for Guadalupe, etc. In very old records they used the Latin
Joseph or
Josef. If we can help you, be more specific about your
roadblock, etc.
There may be gaps in you lines, since many records
have turned to dust or
were burned during wars, or damaged beyond
repair in floods.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA.
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: Linda R
Romero<mailto:romero89@e...>
> To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:00 AM
>
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Digest Number 651
>
>
>
My main focus is in Jalisco - Tepatitlan de Morelos to be exact.
I
> have not been able to find anything farther
away than that
little
> burg. In fact, after
lurking on this list all summer, I haven't
> found
anyone with a connection to my Romero/de la Torre family
from
> that area. You are all such good researchers.
I've been to SLC
and
> copied information from the
Baptismos from Tepatitlan and am
trying
> to
connect the Romero/de la Torre names to my family. My father
was
> born there but told so many "stories" the truth is hard to
find.
He
> even had us kids claim he was born
in Guatamala throughout our
school
> years. I
found the truth when I was an adult. He also never
allowed
> us to learn Spanish. What a character! So I'll
keep lurking
and
> learning from all you great
researchers.
> Where do you find all that
good information?
>
> Linda
Romero
> Ramon Romero/Marie L.
Hallstead
> Castulo
Romero/Sophia de la Torre - Donald Hallstead/Merle
Beltz
>
Manuel Romero/Marcelina de la Torre - Jose de la
Torre/Elena
> Romero
>
> Romero's and de la
Torres for generations. Any hints as to
finding
> out where this leads?
>
>
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