color=#0000ff size=2>Hi!
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2>Someone once explained to me that the mtDNA results were,
in some cases, the result of Spaniards marrying the "local girls" ........is
this what you are referring to, Arturo? I do not understand
these numbers.....I am just trying to make heads or tails out of it......and to
justify the $$$$ I spent to get these numbers! :-)
in some cases, the result of Spaniards marrying the "local girls" ........is
this what you are referring to, Arturo? I do not understand
these numbers.....I am just trying to make heads or tails out of it......and to
justify the $$$$ I spent to get these numbers! :-)
color=#0000ff size=2>Seriously, I don't mind spending the money if it will give
me some clues as to my ancestors, the migration pattern they followed,
etc. I have only researched about three or four generations on my Dad's
maternal line and three or four on my Mom's maternal and paternal lines so I
have a long way to go. I have been focusing on my Dad's paternal Trevino
lineage and go "way back" to about the 1400s in Spain.
me some clues as to my ancestors, the migration pattern they followed,
etc. I have only researched about three or four generations on my Dad's
maternal line and three or four on my Mom's maternal and paternal lines so I
have a long way to go. I have been focusing on my Dad's paternal Trevino
lineage and go "way back" to about the 1400s in Spain.
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2>I really enjoy reading the messages everyone is sending
regarding Y-DNA and mtDNA because I am slowing learning a little here and
there. What I really like is finding out that I have matches to a few in
this group, Linda, Victor, Arturo and an exact match with Ed! Even though
I have never met any of you in person I do feel a connection! The
only grandparent I knew was my Mom's father and he died when I was 7 years
old. My other grandparents died before I was born. I only have one
brother so you can see that my familia is very small.......maybe that is why I
am always looking for "mi gente!" I have met several primos and
primas (live ones!) through genealogy and it feels good when we share
information and discover that our great-grandparents were brothers/sisters and
here we are digging up their information!
regarding Y-DNA and mtDNA because I am slowing learning a little here and
there. What I really like is finding out that I have matches to a few in
this group, Linda, Victor, Arturo and an exact match with Ed! Even though
I have never met any of you in person I do feel a connection! The
only grandparent I knew was my Mom's father and he died when I was 7 years
old. My other grandparents died before I was born. I only have one
brother so you can see that my familia is very small.......maybe that is why I
am always looking for "mi gente!" I have met several primos and
primas (live ones!) through genealogy and it feels good when we share
information and discover that our great-grandparents were brothers/sisters and
here we are digging up their information!
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2>It would be wonderful if a group were started concentrating
on mtDNA. color=#0000ff size=2>
on mtDNA. color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2>
color=#0000ff size=2>Josie in San Antonio
From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Arturo Ramos
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:04 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A
ancestor---we are a match
ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Arturo Ramos
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:04 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A
ancestor---we are a match
Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is
very
much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.
The
mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic
material in
modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic
collapse that occured
shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the
subsequent movement of
indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA
information would draw a very
different picture than the data Gary is
gathering.
We might be able
to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous
ancestors or at the very least
learn about the migration patterns and
settlement waves that resulted in the
indigenous population of Mexico.
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com,
"Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
>
Arturo,
>
> I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: Arturo
Ramos<mailto:arturo.ramos2@v...>
> To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:52
AM
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a
match
>
>
> Margarita:
>
> Is your father still living? If he did the test, you
would be
able
> to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and
paternal (yDNA) lineages.
If
> your cousin Humberto
did it, he would not have your father's yDNA
but
> would
have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he
would
> have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.
However,
his
> father (your uncle) would have the same
yDNA and mtDNA as your
> father. I guess you could have
to have both of them do the
test...
> Humberto can do the
mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.
>
> If you join Gary
Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for
$99
>
and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129. You get a discount on the
yDNA
> through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his
is a
yDNA-
> based project only)...
>
> Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In
ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza
<TeaCozyGran@k...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because
me
> mum
> > wasn't Hispanic.
If I have one of my male cousins do this,
would I
>
get
> > some usable answers if his mother is my aunt
or his father my
> uncle?
>
> In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is my
> father's
> > sister or if my
cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's
brother,
> > which would be the better candidate? Marge
V:)
> >
> > On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35
AM, Edward Serros wrote:
> >
> > >
Josie,
> > >
> > > I guess
we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are
related
>
since
> > > we are studying
our
> > > ancestors that came from the same area.
Today I checked my
> mtDNA
> >
> results which I
> > > haven't done for awhile
and you are an exact match at a low
> > >
resolution level to my
> > > paternal grandmother,
Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia
Isordia). I
>
did
> > > not realize who you
>
> > were.
> > >
> >
> Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do
the
> HVR2
> > > and you
have
> > > extra money lying around, I would be
interested to see if we
> are
> >
> related at an even closer
> > > (high
resolution) level.
> > >
> >
> Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material
you
> have
> > > in the
Ranchos
> > > database. My grandmother's data is
below.
> > >
> > > Even
though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am.
Amazing.
> > >
> > >
Abrazos,
> > >
> > >
Ed
> > >
> > > HVR1
Haplogroup A
> > > HVR1
differences
> > > from CRS
>
> > 16223T
> > > Â Â Â Â Â
> > > 16290T
> > >
    Â
> > > 16319A
> >
> Â Â Â Â Â
> > >
16362C
> > >
> > > HVR2
differences
> > > from CRS
>
> > 64T
> > > Â Â Â Â Â
> > > 73G
> > > Â Â
  Â
> > > 146C
> >
> Â Â Â Â Â
> > >
153G
> > > Â Â Â Â Â
> >
> 182T
> > > Â Â Â Â Â
> > > 235G
> > > Â
   Â
> > > 263G
> >
> Â Â Â Â Â
> > >
315.1C
> > > Â Â Â Â Â
> >
> 522-
> > > Â Â Â Â Â
> > > 523-
> >
>
> > >
> > > --- In
ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"
>
<Josiett3@s...>
> > >
wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > Arturo......it seems that I match four of your six
> mutations. Does
> > >
this
> > > > mean we are related 'way 'way
back?  Linda.....I also
match
> four
> > > of yours.
> > >
> Victor.....I don't have your numbers but I am pretty sure
we
> share
> > > a
few
> > > > also. I haven't had a chance
to do much more on this but
> hopefully
> > > I will
> > > >
after the holidays.   Thanks!   Josie in San
Antonio
> > > >Â
> >
> >Â
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > > HVR1
Haplogroup
> > > >
> >
> > A
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > > HVR1
differences
> > > >
> >
> > from
> > > >
> > > <
href="http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?">http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?
<
href="http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?">http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?>
> > >
kit=42332&code=P7670&crypt=%9
> > > >
2%C5%B9%98%7F%94%8Cz%91k%7D%B3%C3%99%BD%7C%94%81u%5C%8Ae%
A7%B3%
>
85%
> > > A4%9E%C9%A
> >
> >
7%AAJ%A7%BFu%7C%CC%9B%B4j%95%9Am%A8%AA%B6%B3%5D%89x%8EnP%
B2%99%
>
7C%
> > > 83%B9%AD%C
> >
> > F%8CJ%CA%94%BC%9B%#HVR1> CRS
> >
> >
> > > >
16223T
> > > >
> >
> >Â Â Â Â Â Â
> > > >
16290T
> > > >
> >
> >Â Â Â Â Â Â
> > > >
16319A
> > > >
> >
> >Â Â Â Â Â Â
> > > >
16362C
> > > >
> >
> >Â
> > > >
>
> > >Â Â
> > >
>
> > > >
> >
> >Â Â _____Â
> > >
>
> > > > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of
> > >
> Arturo Ramos
> > > > Sent: Wednesday,
November 16, 2005 1:06 PM
> > > > To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject:
[ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
> > >
>
> > > >
> >
> > Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
> > >
>
> > > > I too am a haplogroup A with the
following mutations:
> > >
>
> > > > 16111T
> >
> > 16223T
> > > >
16290T
> > > > 16319A
> >
> > 16362C
> > > >
16390A
> > > >
> >
> > I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa
Magallanes
> born
> > >
> circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely
> Tepecano
> > > > (Southern
Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the
Spanish
>
were
> > > > really pushing up the production
of the mine in Bolanos
and
> brought
>
> > > in a lot of other labor to the area.
>
> > >
> > > > --- In
ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"
> > >
<raices_regias@y...>
> > > >
wrote:
> > > > >
> >
> > > Josie & Linda,
> > > >
>
> > > > > We share the same haplogroup
A. Although we're not an
> exact
match
> > > > we
> >
> > > do match on some numbers. Since we're dealing here
with
> > > > mitochondrial
>
> > > > DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that
our
> female
> > > >
common
> > > > > ancestor lived thousands of
years ago, in prehistorical
> times.
> >
> > >
> > > > > Mitochondrial
DNA is best suited to determine what is
> called
"Deep
> > > > > Ancestry" of our maternal
lineage. We definitely share
the
>
same
> > > > > Native American roots in the
distant past.
> > > > >
>
> > > > Warm Regards,
> > > >
>
> > > > > Victor
>
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > > --- In
ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"
>
<Josiett3@s...>
> > > >
wrote:
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > Message: 8Â Â Â Â Â Â Date: Wed, 19 Oct
2005
03:55:34 -
> 000Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> > > From:
> > > >
> "Erlinda
> > > > > > Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Haplogroup
A ancestor
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Victor you do match me
on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo
group
> A
> > > 16111T
> > > >
> 16223T
> > > > > > 16290T 16319A
16335G 16362C 16526A
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Josie, what were your
numbers if you don't mind
sharing?
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Linda in
Everett
> > > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
=======================================================
> >
> ==========
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Hi Linda.....Hi
Victor!
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > Is this what you are referring to
(below)
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > HVR1> CRS
> > >
> > > 16223T
> > > > > >
16290T
> > > > > >
16319A
> > > > > >
16362C
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > I just printed all this out last night and really
did
not
> read
> > >
it
> > > > > (properly)
>
> > > > > due to a lack of time. I have been in
Houston for a
week
> and
> >
> > unable
> > > > > to
do
> > > > > > "my thing" with my
genealogy/DNA projects. What do
> these
> > > numbers
> > > >
> mean?  If
> > > > > > any
match to you (Linda & Victor) does that mean we
have
> a
> > >
common
> > > > >
ancestor
> > > > > >
"somewhere"....? Please feel free to enlighten me as
I
> know
> > > >
absolutely
> > > > > > nothing about
"this new DNA stuff"......I guess that
tells
>
my
> > > > age! Â
:-)
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > Abrazos desde San Antonio,
> >
> > > >
> > > > > >
Josie
> > > > > >
>
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