Hello, Elvira?

 

(I can't tell who is writing what in the messages below).  However,
one comment peaked my interest:  "maternal lines in (or
back to) Zacatecas, especially  Tepetongo to test for mtDNA.  I don't
think anyone has started a Zacatecas  mtDNA project
yet...::Grin::"  
I must confess that all this
talk about DNA and Haplogroups and "numbers" is way over my head.  However,
I am very interested in your particular results, since you state that you are
looking for more people with maternal lineage in the area of Tepetongo,
Zacatecas.  My mother was from the Juarez-New Mexico area, descended from
settlers who had been there since the 1500's, so I guess my DNA would only
follow her maternal lines.  However, my father's people for two hundred
years that I have studied so far (back to the early 1700s) in the Tepetongo area
(Salitrillo, to be exact) never lived anywhere else until my father and his
father immigrated to the States in 1916. 

 

 Unfortunately, my father and his immediate relatives
are all gone now and I was never close to his relatives.  I wonder if his
first cousin (a male whose mother was sister to my father's father) could
provide DNA results that would show origins in Tepetongo via his maternal line,
either he or a second cousin of mine whose grandfather  and father bore the
same surname (Olague) and whose grandfather was brother to my father's
father.  I've hesitated approaching them since they wouldn't know anything
about DNA and would be suspicious, etc. My uncle (my father's first
cousin---primo hermano) is very elderly now and might not remember me, and I
have never met my second cousins.

 

I am so intrigued by the mention that your sequences and
combinations are quite rare.  I found that my father's people were Basques
who came to Zacatecas in the 1500's.  Basques are known to have a very rare
DNA and language and customs, aren't they?  No one seems to know their
origins.  Also, many of the names I find in my father's lines sound so
Italian to me---Marcelo, Marcelino, Regina, Suriano, etc.  I find no
mention anywhere of Italians in Zacatecas anywhere else. I think there were also
several Sephardic Jewish lines ---Acevedo (Portuguese?), Reveles (Sephardic?),
etc.  My father used to say his ancestors were French, but I find no
evidence of that so far. 

 

Please keep us apprised of what you find.  It is of
particular interest to me.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---





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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:23
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Subject: [ranchos]




Hello, Everyone,

 

After much searching totry to make some sense out
of  my mtDNA reslutts (after not finding much) I finally decided to put
it on the DNA list up for comments.  The comments verify what I had
suspected: there are not many of us out there. 
size=2> This is consistent with my family's history.  I have added some
comments to the responses. Some relevant
comments I have received with some  references that might be of
interest. I hope the links are useful.

 

Elvira


these are my numbers for my mtDNA,
with  differences from CRS at

 

size=2>16111T
16223T
16290T
16319A
16335G
16526A

 

HVR2 differences  from  CRS
at

 

size=2>64T
73G
146C
153G
235G
263G
309.1C
315.1C 

 

 

 

Looking in the mtDNA concordance

 


 

 I find  no HVR1 sequences just like
yours, although there are many close in  the Native American peoples of
both North and South America. 
 
There occurrences of any
mutations on 16526 of any kind. 
 
In the Human Mitochondrial
Genome Database there are 16 occurrences of  16526A in various locations
in Europe and Asia (mostly Asian).  There are  also 4

occurrences of 16335G, one each Japanese, Saami, Italian and PNG 
Highlands in Melanesia.
 
The good news is that this appears to be
a rather [rare]? combination of HVR1+HVR2,  which means that exact
matches at the high-resolution level indicate  a
definite
relationship. The question is when?   Given the  geographic and
temporal proximity of you and your match, I'd be inclined to  look for
more people with
maternal lines in (or back to) Zacatecas,
especially  Tepetongo to test for mtDNA.  I don't think anyone has
started a Zacatecas  mtDNA project yet...::Grin::
 
Your HVR2
sequence is found in
Kolman CJ, Bermingham E, Cooke R, Ward RH, Arias TD,
Guionneau SF (1995) 
Reduced mtDNA diversity in the Ngöbé Amerinds of
Panama. Genetics  140:275-283
Kolman,95; NG1; [A];
Ngöbé(1)
?Kolman,95; NG2; [A];  Ngöbé(9)
 
Anne (from the
DNA list on rootsweb).

 

NOTE:  Anne's suggestion is  what I
have been thinking about for a long time because there had not been any
matches found for me.  The Panama mention is interesting as I lived in
Panama for  some years.  I had a bit of contact with Panamanian
Indians . Also my children were born there. EZP

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I've had my mtDNa results for a while and so far
no matches anywhere with any other females.  I  have a match with a
man  whose female ancestor
(dob: bef. 1693). was from
Zacatecas.  Her descendants now live in New  Mexico.

 

My last known ancestor in my maternal line is
Maria-Josefa Luera, born in Rancho  Arroyo Seco de Abajo, Tepetongo,
1821. This place was once a sort of a way station for the people developing
the logging industry in the area. 
size=2> Any comments from anyone?

 

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Yes, a very nice Haplogroup A
pattern.

 

You might like to look at the sequence from
'Mishmar' (marked 6 on my chart) - which is a complete American sequence with
striking similarities.
The 64T is an especially nice feature.

 


 

Ian

 

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Now for something a bit different: a member of my group  was
tested by FamilyTreeDNA and put into haplogroup I. This is what I found
for this group in their own site:

**The I, I1, and I1a lineages are nearly completely
restricted to northwestern Europe. These would most likely have been common
within Viking populations. One lineage of this group extends down into central
Europe**


This was most unexpected since his family is Indian from
Nochistlan, Zacatecas.  According to the family written genealogy
there is no one in the family who could possibly be from that part of the
world, at least no one that he knows of.  We are still waiting for
the other numbers for the 37 markers to come in. I checked the numbers an they
do fall into the I haplogroup. Does anyone know anything about his group being
in Mexico anywhere?  


 


Haploroup I


393          
   11


19               
14                


391             10


439             11


389-1          12


389-2          28


388             14


390             22


426             11


390             13


426             14


385a         
 11