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Hello, Everyone,

 

After much searching totry to make some sense out
of  my mtDNA reslutts (after not finding much) I finally decided to put it
on the DNA list up for comments.  The comments verify what I had suspected:
there are not many of us out there.  This is
consistent with my family's history.  I have added some comments to the
responses. Some relevant comments I have received
with some  references that might be of interest. I hope the links
are useful.

 

Elvira


these are my numbers for my mtDNA,
face=Arial size=2>with  differences from CRS at

 

size=2>16111T
16223T
16290T
16319A
16335G
16526A

 

HVR2 differences  from  CRS
at

 

size=2>64T
73G
146C
153G
235G
263G
309.1C
315.1C 

 

 

 

Looking in the mtDNA concordance

 


 

 I find  no HVR1 sequences just like
yours, although there are many close in  the Native American peoples of
both North and South America. 
 
There occurrences of any
mutations on 16526 of any kind. 
 
In the Human Mitochondrial
Genome Database there are 16 occurrences of  16526A in various locations in
Europe and Asia (mostly Asian).  There are  also 4
occurrences of
16335G, one each Japanese, Saami, Italian and PNG  Highlands in
Melanesia.
 
The good news is that this appears to be a rather
[rare]? combination of HVR1+HVR2,  which means that exact matches at the
high-resolution level indicate  a
definite relationship. The question
is when?   Given the  geographic and temporal proximity of you
and your match, I'd be inclined to  look for more people with
maternal
lines in (or back to) Zacatecas, especially  Tepetongo to test for
mtDNA.  I don't think anyone has started a Zacatecas  mtDNA project
yet...::Grin::
 
Your HVR2 sequence is found in
Kolman CJ,
Bermingham E, Cooke R, Ward RH, Arias TD, Guionneau SF (1995) 
Reduced
mtDNA diversity in the Ngöbé Amerinds of Panama. Genetics 
140:275-283
Kolman,95; NG1; [A]; Ngöbé(1)
?Kolman,95; NG2; [A]; 
Ngöbé(9)
 
Anne (from the DNA list on rootsweb).

 

NOTE:  Anne's suggestion is  what I have
been thinking about for a long time because there had not been any matches found
for me.  The Panama mention is interesting as I lived in Panama for 
some years.  I had a bit of contact with Panamanian Indians .
Also my children were born there. EZP

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I've had my mtDNa results for a while and so far no
matches anywhere with any other females.  I  have a match with a
man  whose female ancestor
(dob: bef. 1693). was from Zacatecas. 
Her descendants now live in New  Mexico.

 

My last known ancestor in my maternal line is
Maria-Josefa Luera, born in Rancho  Arroyo Seco de Abajo, Tepetongo,
1821. This place was once a sort of a way station for the people developing the
logging industry in the area.  Any
comments from anyone?

 

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Yes, a very nice Haplogroup A pattern.

 

You might like to look at the sequence from
'Mishmar' (marked 6 on my chart) - which is a complete American sequence with
striking similarities.
The 64T is an especially nice feature.

 


 

Ian

 

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Now for something a bit different: a member of my group  was
tested by FamilyTreeDNA and put into haplogroup I. This is what I found for
this group in their own site:

**The I, I1, and I1a lineages are nearly completely
restricted to northwestern Europe. These would most likely have been common
within Viking populations. One lineage of this group extends down into central
Europe**


This was most unexpected since his family is Indian from
Nochistlan, Zacatecas.  According to the family written genealogy
there is no one in the family who could possibly be from that part of the
world, at least no one that he knows of.  We are still waiting for the
other numbers for the 37 markers to come in. I checked the numbers an they do
fall into the I haplogroup. Does anyone know anything about his group being in
Mexico anywhere?  


 


Haploroup I


393             
11


19               
14                


391             10


439             11


389-1          12


389-2          28


388             14


390             22


426             11


390             13


426             14


385a         
 11 


 
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