Arturo, 

  the below "acta de bautismo" of my 4th great JOSE
GABINO RODRIGUES TRISTAN is a example of how mind
boggling an error,like yourself, in documentation may
be misleadingly,,,


Film #0708064 Bautismo record March 07, 1795 San
Geronimo, Moctezuma, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. En la
Yglesia del Pueblo de la Hedeonda, en siete de Marzo
de mil setecientos noventa y sinco, el Br. Dn YGNACIO
MARTINES, como Theniente de Cura, baptiso y puso Los
Santos Oleos a JOSE GABINO RODRIGUES TRISTAN, mestizo,
de Xaquesillos, de 16 diez y seis dias de nacido; hijo
legitimo de JOSE MARIA OLALLO RODRIGUES y MARIA
MATIANA TRISTAN.  fsp: JOSE LUCIANO ROMAN .


HOWEVER!! On Gabino's marriage record the paternal
grandparents are documented as his parents.

Film #0707776 last item p.220. Marriage October 30,
1816, en la Yglesia Parroquial del Real de Nuestra
Senora de Charcas, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. JOSE
GABINO RODRIGUEZ, mestizo, originario de Xaquesillos,
y vecino de la Hacienda de Solis, de estado soltero;
hijo legitimo de DOMINGO RODRIGUEZ y de MARIA PETRA
difuntos, y de la MARIA MARGARITA MONTOYA: mestiza,
originaria, y vecina de dicha Hacienda; hija legitima
de FLORENCIO MONTOYA y de MARIA JOSEFA YBARRA.  fsp:
PEDRO ROCHA, y VICENTA MONTERO, su esposa.

AND! Gabino Rodrigues Tristan parents Marriage record
indentify the grandparents correctly: 

Film #0708092 item 1, p31 Marriage record 24 February
1794 en la Yglesia del Pueblo de la Hedeonda,
Moctezuma, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. JOSSE MARIA OLALLO
RODRIGUEZ, mulato, originario del Real de Nieves y
vecino de los Orcones sinco anos hace; hijo legitimo
de DOMINGO BONIFACIO RODRIGUES, difunto, y de MARIA
PETRONA REGALADA RAMOS, con MARIA MATHIANA TRISTANA,
mestiza, originaria y vecina de Xaqueysillos; hija
legitima de JUAN NICOLAS OBISPO TRISTAN y de MARIA
DOLORES, ya difunta.

I basically run a search of all names...you would be
surprise on results.

Good hunting

Jose Munoz



--- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:

> I had run across this before with another record
> that I must have not 
> gotten a copy of and if I remember correctly, I
> think your first 
> theory is correct Jose.
> 
> In this record, Jose Maria Miramontes appears as the
> padrino later in 
> the record, along with his wife.  I think that what
> happened was that 
> perhaps the padrinos went to baptize the child
> without the father and 
> the sacristan must have written down the wrong name
> on whatever he 
> was recording on and then the priest corrected the
> record when he 
> wrote it into the book?  Is this the way the process
> works?
> 
> In the other record, the grandfather is erroneously
> listed as the 
> father (in parenthesis) and then appears as the
> maternal 
> grandfather.  I think that once the priest started
> writing out the 
> whole record, he must have run across the
> conflicting information and 
> corrected it, but left in the paranthetical name to
> match the 
> original information that was taken at the actual
> ceremony...
> 
> The baptismal record is from 1907 in Totatiche,
> Jalisco.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, jose munoz
> <jmunoz2781@y...> wrote:
> >
> > A "WILD GUESS" only...
> > From personal experience my opinion is: 
> > 
> > Jose Maria Miramontes was a probable padrino
> > erroneously mentioned before the baptized
> legitimate
> > parents... thus ( ). 
> > 
> > Jose Maria Miramontes could of been the father,
> died,
> > and the viuda remarried prior to childs birth.
> > 
> > Jose Maria Miramontes may have been related to
> Maria
> > Guadalupe De Luna. I make this statement based on
> a
> > theory,,, relations of the Miramontes and De Luna
> from
> > Tlaltenango, Zacatecas in the first half of the
> 17th
> > century: 
> > 
> > What time frame is your bautismo record?
> > 
> > 
> > --- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Has anyone run across this or have an inkling of
> > > what it might mean?
> > > 
> > > ...que nacio en Santa Cruz, el dia veintiseis
> del
> > > corriente a las once 
> > > de la manana a la que puse por nombre Luisa,
> hija
> > > legitima de (Jose 
> > > Maria Miramontes) Telesforo Gutierrez y Maria
> > > Guadalupe de Luna.  
> > > Abuelos paternos Catarino y Anastacia Jara...
> > > 
> > > Who is this man Jose Maria Miramontes and what
> is
> > > his relation to this 
> > > baptism?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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