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I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs $160.  I
purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful and
interesting.  It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the
relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the group, I would be
happy to do lookups of names.  The book focuses on the areas within the
archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early 1700s. 
If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the complete names of a
couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and approximate dates to
my private email address.   I'll respond as soon as
possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the dispensation, along
with the FHC film number so you can look up the actual document.

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From: Arturo Ramos

Sent: Oct 10, 2005 11:29 AM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records



Alicia:
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I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I
actually started last

Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some
relatives.  On my

maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible
memory and still

recalls the names and family history of her
great-grandparents from

stories told to her as a child.  On my
paternal side, my father was

made the keeper of family history when he was
handed a pile of

documents by an uncle shortly before his
death.  These two

repositories made it much easier to delve into the
baptismal records

since I had good family information going back to
the late 1800s.



The next piece of luck I had was that the main
town where I have been

researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate
church records... no

missing books and all indexed in IGI and
VRI.  Now that I have

started branching out more and more to other
towns, I realize that

this is not the case everywhere.



Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie
Godina, from this group

have helped me out a lot.  Also, the local
histories and genealogies

that have been written up and the land documents
and censuses that

have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes Salazar
for Totatiche have

been very helpful.  I know that the easy part
is now over as the

baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche
and Colotlan.



Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion
and I spend every

other Saturday at the Family History Center and
lots of free time

doing research, filling in holes, etc.



Alicia, I had not heard of this Retonos de Espana
book... I will have

to look it up, though even the Library of Congress
does not appear to

have a copy.



Alberto, the Sagrada Mitra is a transcription of a
large number of

FHL/LDS films on marriage dispensations by the
Bishphoric of New

Galicia (which included the modern states of
Jalisco, Nayarit,

Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon, and Texas)
in the 1600s and

1700s, with a name index.  The FHL in Salt
Lake City has a copy, but

it is not on film.  I suggest you try to find
a copy near you in a

library... Alternatively you can order one from
Borderlands Books.



http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com,
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wrote:

>

> Alicia,

>

> I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten
back that far.  The

> thing that helped me is that one of my
relatives had done some

> research prior to me starting mine.  She
gave me copies of

certified

> baptismal records for 5 generations
back.  That helped with one of

my

> grandparent's lineage.  Then, I delved
into the Sagrada Mitra

records

> and found one dispensa that gave me 5
generations for one couple. 

> The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes
interviews of at least 5

> individuals.  The marriage took place in
1735.  That dispensa gave

me

> my big breakthrough when I borrowed a copy of
Retoños de España en

la

> Nueva Galicia and found several of my lines
going back to the

> 1500's!  Needless to say, that was a
very exciting moment for me. 

>

> I have several genealogy books, but in my
opinion, there isn't a

> single book that is as comprehensive as
Retoños (vol 2) for those

of

> us researching roots in Nueva Galicia. 
I am anxiously awaiting for

> the new editions which the author (Lic.
Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) is

> working on presently.  The first edition
of Vol 1 & 2 are out of

> print. I borrowed my copy from the California
State Library.

>

> I guess the moral of the story is: don't rely
solely on microfilm

for

> research.  Look for books containing
published genealogies in your

> area of research and ask family members for
whatever records they

may

> have.

>

> Maria

>

> --- In
href="mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com">ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia
Carrillo <alliecar@p...>

wrote:

> >

> > Arturo,

> > 

> > I have to say congratulations, I'm very
happy for you and at the

> same time a little envious of your
accomplishments. How long have

you

> been researching your ancestry that you have
gotten this far back

in

> time? I think for those of us who think we
are not getting there as

> fast as we'd like or making as much progress
as others seemingly

are

> making, we'd like to know and get an
approximate time of reference

so

> as not to get too discouraged. We need a
little encouragement. I

not

> only put that question out to you but to the
rest of the group.

> > 

> > Another question to the group is how
many of you are doing

lateral

> research. By lateral I mean across one time
span say in a 50 year

> range. I'll give an example 1900-1950 which
is where I'm focusing

on

> now. This would include aunts and uncles,
their children, spouses

and

> descendants. For me at least it makes it very
interesting to be

able

> to put a face with the names. Another reason
I'm doing this is

> because our area of research is so small that
everyone in these

towns

> was related several times over and I many
times by way of

> conversations get the sense that we were
related in more ways than

we

> can even begin to imagine. They will or would
say, "oh yeah my tia

> was related to your tio" and I was
always left wondering whether it

> was true and if true how was that possible.

> > 

> > Anyway just curious to see how others
are doing their research

and

> again congratulations and I wishing you many
more breakthroughs. I

> know how exciting it is when you make a dent
in that brick wall.

> > 

> > Sinceramente, Alicia Avelar de Carrillo

> > 

> > I myself am not only going back in time
but because I know of

many

> present family lines am working laterally in
addition to just going

> back in time.

> >

> > Arturo Ramos
href="mailto:arturo.ramos2@v..."><arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:

> > This weekend I looked through the
Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara

> (which

> > by the way is an incredible resource
that everyone should look at

> if

> > you have traced your lineages going back
as far as the 1700s) and

> made

> > a couple of breakthroughs.  These
have taken my research to some

> new

> > towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and
Jerez (most likely the area

> around

> > Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find
out who is doing

research

> in

> > these places and any hints that would be
useful.

> >

> > The breakthroughs are as follows:

> >

> > Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696
in Mazapil, Zacatecas,

> > illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE
LA BARREDA and Isabel DE

> PIERO. 

> > He later moved to Guadalajara, where he
was raised and schooled

by

> Sr.

> > Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN
of the Consejo de su

> Majestad,

> > Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva
Galicia.

> >

> > (Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most
likely born in Monte

Escobedo

> and

> > baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I
can't find his baptismal

> record

> > in VRI... looks like some years are
missing), son of Lorenso

PINEDO

> and

> > Josepha GAMBOA.  He later moved to
Juanacatic, Totatiche, Jalisco

> and

> > he and his sons continued to marry into
families from Monte

> Escobedo

> > (ROMERO and ROJAS)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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