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From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of aajay1073
Sent:
Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:08 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Ramos and Cardenas
Familes

Peggy,

Are Maria Manuela's parents,
Juan Domingo RAMOS and Feliciana
Victoria CARDENAS?

If so, here is
their marriage record:

JUAN DOMINGO RAMOS
  Male
Groom's
Parents:
  Father:  DIEGO DE SANTIAGO
  Mother: 
BERNARDA DE CASAS
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FELICIANA VICTORIA DE
CARDENAS
  Marriage:  15 FEB 1733   San Luis, Colotlan,
Jalisco, Mexico
Bride's Parents:
  Father:  BARTHOLOME DE
CARDENAS
  Mother:  CATARINA MORILLO
Messages:
Extracted
marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are
usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source
Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:

M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

Here are some of their
children:
+ LUIS BELTRAN CARDENAS
Gender: Male Christening: 03 NOV 1737
San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
+ MARIA DE LA CONCEPON. RAMOS
CARDENAS
Gender: Female Christening: 14 FEB 1740 San Luis, Colotlan,
Jalisco,
Mexico
+ CLEMENTE CARDENAS
Gender: Male Christening: 08
DEC 1747 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
+ PETRA
CARDENAS
Gender: Female Christening: 13 MAY 1757 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico

+ JOSEPH ALVINO RAMOS CARDENAS
Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAR 1759
Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Perhaps here is Maria Manuela's christening
(there are no surnames
listed but all the first names match up and time
period):
MARIA MANUELA
  Female
Event(s):
Christening: 
07 APR 1750   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
Parents:
  Father:  JUAN DOMINGO
 
Mother:  FELICIANA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record
for the locality listed in the
record. The source records are usually
arranged chronologically by
the birth or christening date.
Source
Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call
No.:
C602862  1744 - 1755  0443672

I have some additional
information on Bartholome DE CARDENAS and
Catarina Morillo's family if you
would like to see it.  I am not
related to this family, as far as I
know, but I have been holding on
to this information because my 6th
great-grand father was Bartholome
De Cardenas married to Barbara Gutierres
during this same time period
in Colotlan.  I can't imagine there
being two Bartholome De Cardenas,
so I thought perhaps they were the same
person and he was a widower
who remarried.  I haven't been able to
prove this theroy since I
can't find either Bartolome's marriage
information.  So it is another
item on my list of things to
do/find/verify, etc.

Just in case...here is my Cardenas info, let me
know if you recognize
any names.

++ Bartholome DE CARDENAS. He
married Barbara GUTIERRES.

Their Children were as follows:
i
Catharina DE CARDENAS. She married on 19 Jan 1722 in San Luis,
Colotlan,
Jalisco, Mexico Juan Mathias DE GAETA.

ii Maria Antonia DE CARDENAS.
She married on 29 Jan 1732 in San Luis,
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Nicolas
GODINA, son of Nicolas GODINA and
Maria Ana DE LAMAS.

iii Francisco
DE CARDENAS. He married on 24 May 1734 in Tlaltenango
De Sanchez Roman,
Zacatecas, Mexico Juliana MUNOS LOPEZ, christened
25 Mar 1720 in
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico,
daughter of Joseph MUNOS
and Melchora de los Reies LOPEZ BRAVO.

iv Maria Rosa DE CARDENAS. She
married on 6 Oct 1735 in San Luis,
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Miguel
FERNANDEZ, son of Nicolas FERNANDEZ
and Josepha TOSTADO.

v Juan
Mathias DE CARDENAS. He married on 12 Jun 1740 in San Luis,
Colotlan,
Jalisco, Mexico Luiza Theresa MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS,
daughter of Francisco
MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS and Theresa RAMIREZ DE LA
ROSA.

vi Christobal
de los Santos DE CARDENAS. He married on 12 Jun 1740 in
San Luis,
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Antonia Petronila MARQUES
RAMIREZ, christened 12
Jul 1719 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico, daughter of Francisco
MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS and Theresa
RAMIREZ DE LA ROSA.

The last two
children, are brothers that married sisters in a double
wedding
cermony.

Good luck on your search,
Angie Godina


--- In
ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...>
wrote:
>
> Hey!  I, just recently, found that I DO have a
connection in
Totatiche........I have ancestors, Jose Leonisio Hernandes
married
Maria Manuela Ramos married in Totatiche on 04/271768. 
Although I
can't find Maria Manuela's record of birth there, I have a
record for
her brother and sister: Joseph Alvino Ramos, born 03/12/1759
and
Maria Martina Ramos, born 11/14/1756.
> I also have  a
record for Jose Leonisio's sister, Maria Guadalupe
Hernandes, born
12/26/1755.
>
> Can I add these new limbs to my file?  I
can't remember if there's
room!
>
> Also, this Tuxpan you
mentioned, is there many, or only
one "Tuxpan".  My mother-in-law,
who's maiden name is Padilla, says
that her great-grandfather was from
here, and she mentioned him being
some sort "alcalde" or mayor and that t
here was a statue of
him...was there some sort of statue in Tuxpan of a
man who's last
name would be Padilla?  Or is that another
Tuxpan?  I really haven't
researched my husbands family yet, but I
enjoy talking with my mother-
in-law, who is 79, in the hopes of starting
my husbands tree.
>
> Peggy