Hello everyone in the Ranchos Group,
I wanted to address and comment on José Rizo's recent discoveries and good fortune over having Arandas roots. As of yet José's lines are still much too recent for me be of any help, but as far as Arandas resources are concerned, I have tons of info.
Over 50% of all my lines came from Arandas. I have more information regarding Arandas genealogy than any other town in Los Altos put together, and this also includes the nearby towns of Ayo el Chico and Jesús María included.
From our first messages, José mentioned that his grandfather's name was José-Guadalupe Rizo Angel, son of Estanislao and Felicitas Angel. Just yesterday, or the other day, he mentioned that Estanislao was the son of Antonio Rizo and Feliciana González. Well upon further investigation, I did happen to find the marriage of Estanislao Rizo in 1891, but to Ma. Guadalupe Padilla Morillo. Look:
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Stanislao RIZO Age At Marriage: 21 Sex: <M>
Event(s):
Birth: <1870>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Antonio RIZO
Mother: Feliciana GONZALEZ
Marriage:
Spouse: Guadalupe PADILLA
Age At Marriage: 17
Marriage: 02 Dec 1891
Place: Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch Number: M603685
Source Dates: 1853 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 439374
Collection Details: Catolica
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Marriage:02 Dec 1891 Place:Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
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Well, whatever happened to Felicitas Angel????????? Hmmmh????? Who is this Guadalupe Padilla anyway? Is she your ancestor and not Felicitas Angel???? I searched again and look at what I found:
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Estanislao RIZO Age At Marriage: 26
Sex: <M>
Event(s):
Birth: <1855>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Francisco RIZO
Mother: Maria Refugio SEVILLA
Marriage:
Spouse: Felicitas Angel
Age At Marriage: 16
Marriage: 14 Nov 1881
Place: Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch Number: M603685
Source Dates: 1853 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 439374
Collection Details: Catolica
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Felicitas Angel <GARCIA> Age At Marriage: 16
Sex: <F>
Event(s):
Birth: <1865>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Guadalupe Angel
Mother: Pascuala GARCIA
Marriage:
Spouse: Estanislao RIZO
Age At Marriage: 26
Marriage: 14 Nov 1881
Place: Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch Number: M603685
Source Dates: 1853 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 439374
Collection Details: Catolica
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BINGO!!!!!!!! THESE ARE THE ONES!!!!!!! As you can see the real parents of Estanislao Rizo were NOT Antonio Rizo and Felicana González, but rather Francisco Rizo and Ma. Refugio Sevilla. Well, well, José, it seems that we are related on more than just our Rizo lines, but also on our Sevilla lines. I am a direct descendant of Ignacio Sevilla-Fletes and Antonia Efigenia Llamas, the patriarchs in the mid 1700's of the SEVILLA surname in the Ayo el Chico, Arandas, and Jesús María region. Here's more on the other names contained in the previously mentioned records:
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FRANCISCO RIZO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA REFUGIO CEBILLA
Family
Marriage: 01 MAY 1844 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M604432
1832 - 1852 0279676
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JOSE MARIA RIZO SEBILLA
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 APR 1845 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO RIZO
Family
Mother: MARIA REFUGIO SEBILLA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
J603682
1826 - 1851 0439329
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MARIA ANTONIA RIZO SEBILLA
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 27 JUN 1847 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO RIZO
Family
Mother: REFUGIA SEBILLA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
K603682
1826 - 1851 0439329
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JOSE JUAN RIZO SEBILLA
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 JUN 1849 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO RIZO
Family
Mother: REFUGIO SEBILLA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
J603682
1826 - 1851 0439329
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JOSE ESTANILAO RIZO SEBILLA
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 MAY 1851 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO RIZO
Family
Mother: REFUGIO SEBILLA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
J603682
1826 - 1851 0439329
Film NONE
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Jose Maria RIZO Age At Marriage: 26
Sex: <M>
Event(s):
Birth: <1845>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Fransisco RIZO
Mother: Refugio SEVILLA
Marriage:
Spouse: Sista ASCENCIO
Age At Marriage: 18
Marriage: 05 Jul 1871
Place: Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch Number: M603685
Source Dates: 1853 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 439374
Collection Details: Catolica
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Sista ASCENCIO Age At Marriage: 18
Sex: <F>
Event(s):
Birth: <1853>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Hipolito ASCENCIO
Mother: Leocadia OLIVARES
Marriage:
Spouse: Jose Maria RIZO
Age At Marriage: 26
Marriage: 05 Jul 1871
Place: Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch Number: M603685
Source Dates: 1853 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 439374
Collection Details: Catolica
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ALEJANDRA RISO SEBILLA
Female
Christening: 05 MAY 1853 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO RISO
Family
Mother: REFUGIA SEBILLA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C603683
1851 - 1870 0439330
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MA. CRUZ RISO SEDILLO (SEBILLA)
Female
Birth:
Christening: 08 MAY 1855 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANSISCO RISO
Mother: REFUGIA SEDILLO (SEBILLA)
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C603683
1851 - 1870 0439330
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GUADALUPE ANGEL
Male Family
Marriages:
Spouse: PASCUALA GARCIA
Family
Marriage: 10 SEP 1857 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M603685
1853 - 1898 0439374
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FELICITAS ANGEL GARCIA
Female Birth:
Christening: 11 JUL 1866 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Parents:
Father: GUADALUPE_ ANGEL
Mother: PASCUALA GARCIA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C604426
1862 - 1867 0279540
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CALLETANO ANGEL GARCIA
Male
Christening: 11 AUG 1872 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: GUADALUPE ANGEL
Mother: PASCUALA GARCIA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C603684
1870 - 1875 0439331
Film NONE
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The previous data and results clearly show how you can only start with a good foundation. José, before you start researching too far back, start looking for your grandfather's birth around 1891, in either Jesús María or Arandas. I fell into the same trap that you just fell into, where I did not start researching my grandfather or great-granparents first to get a clear picture of who their progenitors were. Instead I tried to go the farthest back with the most distant ancestor I had, my great-great-grandmother, and just started looking her up without realizing who her parents were. Suffice it to say, I sure made a mess of things when for years I was researching the wrong line, just because I jumped to conclusions in my early research. And don't trust or confide in the Computer databases too much either, always look for your history in the original source documents. That's where all the good stuff is.
But most importantly, you should really take the time to research your mother's genealogy at the same time you research your father's. Where are your mother's roots from? Is she also from Arandas, or a nearby town? If so she will definitely be related to your father. Also, when you order microfilm you know contain your father's lines, your mother's lines could also be in that very same film (this happened to me), but you wouldn't know it if you don't start researching her lines too.
Remember that a family tree really isn't a tree if it's just the bare tree trunk with no branches at all. There's more to our genealogy than just our direct male line. Many times our most interesting ancestors come from female lines.
Just remember: be careful, open minded, diligent, and always double check your info with more than just one source. There are errors in the original documents many times, but they are your best sources anyway, better than the computer ones.
Well, José, I hope all this info is helpful to you. Let me know from time to time how you are doing.
Sincerely,
Steven F. Hernández.
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