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Hi. I’m Gerard Marelle. I posted my genealogy in the files section and you can find my family tree in:
https://gw.geneanet.org/gmarelle?iz=270&lang=fr&i=117&oc=1&type=tree.
Hope you might find something useful.
Regards,
Dear Members,
I received an email today from Michael Araiza, that spurred me to revisit the Araiza-Medina line. He sent me the link to a marriage between Hernando de Arayze (yes, with an “e”) and María de Gusman in 1592, inquiring if it might fit the timeline for the marriage of Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán, parents of Juan de Araiza y Medina (d. 1665). My answer is long, but the short answer, is yes, I do indeed think if fits the timeline.
The main problem with this document is that it took place in Mexico City, and we had not previously had any link of the Araizas to Mexico City. So, I started doing some research. PARES yielded nothing, sadly. However, in familysearch and in my own document repository I found a couple things that may help make the connection.
I found the marriage of a Josephe de Arayça to Juana Martínez in 1623, and it turns out, he is the son of Hernando de Arayça and María de Guzmán. This marriage took place in Mexico City, but Joseph is listed as “natural de la ciudad de çacatecas.” I am therefore fully convinced that Joseph is the son of our Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán. This would mean that the Araizas did have some tie between Mexico City and Zacatecas. This also means that Juan de Araiza y Medina (?-1665) had a full brother we did not know about!
Looking back at Juan de Araiza´s will, it does say, and Michael Araiza pointed out some time back, that Juan de Araiza Medina had a slave named Nicolasa, who was 28-30 years of age in 1665, whom he inherited from his grandparents when she was four years old. “Y ten para cumplir y pagar este mi testamto. Declaro por mis bienes a una negra llamada Nicolassa de edad de Beinte y ocho a treinta años la qual [h]erede de mis aguelos que tendría entonces quatro años” (page 3 of Juan de Araiza y Medina’s will). This would suggest that his grandparents died around 24 years before 1665, so around 1640. Which set of grandparents, we do not know. However, the other thing this shows, I think, is that Juan de Araiza’s grandparents lived in the new world!
So, now that we do have a documented link between the Fernando de Araiza from Zacatecas and Mexico City, I think we can accept that the marriage of Hernando de Arayza and María de Guzmán in 1592 in Mexico City, as the marriage we have all been looking for at least a decade! It took place 23 Feb 1592.
Here is the link, and my transcription:
[Al margen] “Hernan.do de arayze y doña ma- de gusman
En beinte y tres de febrero de mill y quios y nobenta y dos yo goncalo fernandes aviendo echo
una amonestación y con ma. Del governandor En las da y amonestaciones y dispensasion despose por palabras de presente en su casa a herdo. De arayze hijo de Antonio de arayze y de Beatriz peres con
doña maría de gusmá hija de diego desquibel y de franca de gusman vzos desta ciudad hizieronse las amonestaciones y no ubo ynpedimento siendo tos Joan guerero y Joan de medina Sebastian reyes franco diaz texedor de tafetan –
Goncalo fernandez”
Now we know the names of Juan de Araiza y Medina’s grandparents! Antonio de Araiza and Beatriz Pérez and Diego de Esquivel and Francisca de Guzmán! Needless to say this opens up a whole new line of inquiry, because it means, that at the earliest, it was Antonio de Araiza who emigrated to New Spain. Now to find further evidence of this! It also, means, that Juan de Araiza y Medina was probably born in New Spain, rather than in Spain. Was he born in Zacatecas? If so, his baptism is lost because the records there do not go back to the 1590s. But to me, the link that was probably the tie between Zacatecas and Mexico City, is Juan’s grandparents, who probably stayed in Mexico City when Fernando moved to Zacatecas to participate in the mining boom. I would say that it would be ideal to find the will of Fernando de Araiza or maybe even of Antonio de Araiza.
Hola prim@s,
This is the Ejecutoria del pleito de hidalguía filed by Licenciado Diego Hernández de Vergara, dated 12 Jul 1548: http://pares.mcu.es:80/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5703246
Licenciado Vergara was a 1st-cousin of treasurer & governor Alonso de Estrada, according to the very detailed genealogy given by Estrada’s cousin, Mari Fernández Hidalgo, in the 1585 limpieza of Jorge de Alvarado y Villafañe: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS2D-KSYH?cat=630488
The genealogy given in this document coincides perfectly with that genealogy. It even goes back one more generation, and names Licenciado Vergara’s (and Estrada’s) great-grandfather as Juan Alonso, vecino de Ciudad Real (who apparently received a carta ejecutoria de su hidalguía from King Pedro de Castilla). Here’s what the family tree now looks like:
1st generation: Juan Alonso cc ?
2nd generation: Diego Hernández Hidalgo cc Mari González de Estrada
3rd generation:
a. Diego Hernández Hidalgo “el Mozo” cc María González de la Mora (abuelos de Mari Fernández Hidalgo).
b. Anton Hernández Hidalgo cc Inés González (padres de Lᵈº Vergara).
c. Fernando Hidalgo cc Francisca de Mazariegos (padres de Diego Mazariegos).
d. Juan Hernández Hidalgo cc ? (padres de Alonso de Estrada).
This pleito was cited in the one filed on 22 Aug 1552 by Alonso de Estrada’s son, Luis Alfonso de Estrada, before the Sala de Hijosdalgo of the Chancellería de Granada. In that pleito, Luis Alfonso names his paternal grandfather as Juan Hidalgo, carpintero; according to Vergara’s pleito, Diego Hernández Hidalgo “el Viejo” was also a carpenter.
I hope you’re all doing well!
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Hello, I am looking at a baptism record for a brother of my 5th great grandfather. I have attached the record and also here is the link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-GYLD-7?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6D2Z-7KX6&action=view
The child's name is Joesph Maria Cleofas Ledesma. The entry is the last one (bottom right page).
The part I need help with is this... After his name it says "espanol de los ???" I don't know what the next word is and I am wondering if it is signifigant.
Thank you!
Laura
My maternal line has stopped with a woman named Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi, married to Jose Juarez Delgadillo, my 9th great-grandparents. I don’t have an information on their births or marriage, my guess is that they are located in/around Cuquío, Jalisco.
I have arrived to her through my 8th great-grandmother Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, but I have little information for her.
I do have the marriage of Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, and Juan Manuel Delgado Pacheco (son of Francisco Delgado Lopez and Rosa Maria Pacheco Nuñez) on 5 June 1724, although much is lost to the large decay on the pages: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F4YV-9?i=132
I want to continue with research into my maternal line, but in order to do that, I need to find more information on the life of Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi. If anyone has information or familiarity of anything “Carrillo de Sandi”, or anyone who also has her in their tree, I would very much appreciate it!
He llegado en la Region de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco hasta este ancestro, pero ahi aparecen otro nombres en otros arboles con una esposa diferente. Podrian ayudarme?
Busco linea Familiar con relacion a Carlos Salas Jaramillo 1805-1833 posible padre Jose Tiburcio Salas 1738-1826 nacido en Villanueva Zacatecas
Seeking any assistance or information on Pedro Jose Montellano or Son Jose Maria Montellano either from Zacatecas or Ojuelos Jalisco, I found information related to Los Pinos or Magueyes Zac. however very limited.
Information I found in Ojuelos Jalisco, Montellano is spelled as Monteyano or Montejano, which could be a typo or possibly how it was spelled during that era.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
I believe I have found the resting place of one Francisco Campos Aguinaga. He died in 1915 after a mining accident in Southern Arizona a few years earlier. His civil death states he was put to rest at the Panteón Francés de la Piedad in Mexico City. (The other Panteon Frances was built in the 1940s.)
An acquaintance was able to get photos of the crypt and marker. However the surname on the larger crypt is different. It is marked "Familia Casasola." The marker at the foot of the crypt, "164," is the only indicator, that helped to find Francisco's plot. (I've included photos of the grave site.)
Other than the civil death record I have no other way to verify that this is our guy.
Now it gets interesting.
After help in locating the plot with help from the Mexican Consulate in Texas, and a genealogist in Mexico DF who took photos, the cemetery is now saying that the plot may not have been fully paid for back in the day. (Is this customary?) The family would like to help restore at least part of the crypt (hasn't been touched in decades were told). But so far I have no deed/land record to verify. (Should the cemetary have this? )
I'd like to obtain more sources about the burial and am asking the cemetery to provide such, especially since he was apparently buried there.
Im not sure where else to go on this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
civil death:
So I was doing my usual researchy thing online looking at struggle lines like Diego de Trevino when I happened up a few older research documents you guys find interesting to add to your stash.
The entomology of the name was fascinating to me so I decided to see what towns they were actually referencing in Spain. So indeed I looked up Temiño, Spain. It is an fact a real town and that is indeed the way it is spelled. It is also the town where the references "Don Alfonso Ruiz de Temirio y Doña Sancha de Velasco". Even in the old research docs the the spelling varies. These are the ancestors that Baltasar Temiño references to prove his noble lineage in Zacatecas.
So while spelling would vary depending on the scribe and their educational and cultural background it is now evident to me that Baltsar Temiño is indeed a Temiño NOT Trevino. Now it could be that the town of Temiño could have old ties to the Condes de Trevino and they are from another branch they however achieved their "grandee status" through the primogenture given to them by Rey Enrique IV in Segovia in December 21 de 1470. They were being given the primogenture aka "La constitución del mayorazgo de los Temirio".
In fact is a Baltasar who is ACTIVELY seeking to not only show proof of nobility but HIS RIGHTFUL ownership to the grandee status of the Mayorazgo and to his descendants FOREVER. So now we have that settled I will move on, his brother comes back with the document from Spain in hand yes the same Fray and because he has joined the church he is not entitled to right of ownership or the title as written in the deed by the King. Furthermore Baltasar shows not just the document but 13 witnesses to prove he is who he says he is and proof of his heritage before his proofs are accepted and they were indeed accepted.
Now why do does this matter to our story of Diego de Trevino? Diego de Trevino is thought to come from the Temiños. Before I thought it might be possible now I am not too sure and we just might be able to cross this group of people off our lists.
There seems to be a clear distinction and not one of misspellings between the name Trevino and Temiño. In fact while both locations are in Burgos one is closer to the Basque region while the other is situated smack dab in the middle of Burgos. The town of Temiño even has the escudos/ family shield of the Temiño family granted to them with the deed. This is NOT the Trevino family or from Trevino the town.
I think I read here that the Diego signed his own name? Can I get a look at that if someone has this on here? I read Spanish paleography also so if you have anything you might throw my way I think I can help.
Meanwhile I will send you what I found online https://riubu.ubu.es/bitstream/handle/10259.4/2360/0211_8998_n235_p475-488.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
Please let me know if you have found any updates on Diego de Trevino. I am leaning toward him definitely being a Trevino and not a Temiño especially considering this finding of there being a clear distinction between the 2 names historically with 2 completely different shields. Usually if they come from the same family they will show similar variations of quarterings and here we see they are clearly different. :)
I look forward to your responses and brainstorming!