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Ayer localicé el poder para testar que otorgó mi antepasada Francisca de Arellano y Zúñiga el 7 de Abril de 1690 en Guadalajara (casada en primeras nupcias con el oidor Gerónimo de Aldas y Hernández y en segundas con Luis de Porres Baranda y Núñez de Villavicencio, mayorazgo de PB y mi antepasado 2x). Desafortunadamente el documento no contiene ningún dato de su ascendencia inmediata salvo un par de pistas:

1) El nombre completo es Francisca de Arellano y Zúñiga y Mendoza
2)Uno de los testigos es un Clemente de Arellano que puede ser pariente suyo.

En el acta de matrimonio de Clemente de Arellano con Francisca Leal y de la Higuera -hija del portero de la Real Audiencia Gregorio Leal- uno de los testigos es Luis de Villavicencio, esposo de Francisca de Arellano y Zúñiga.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-D294-SQ?i=49&cc=1874591

Creo que otra forma de poder continuar la ascendencia de mi antepasada es conociendo más acerca de este Clemente. Alguno de ustedes lo ha escuchado? Quiénes son los padres de Clemente de Arellano?

De antemano gracias,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

I found this list of painters of New Spain in case any of you want to look up the art work of these individuals that made paintings of Nueva Espana:

Simón Pereyns (Flemish)
Sebastián López de Arteaga (Spanish)
Baltasar de Echave Orio (Basque)
Baltasar de Echave Ibía
Baltasar Echave Rioja
Luis Juárez
Cristóbal de Villalpando
José Juárez
Juan Correa
José de Ibarra
Miguel Cabrera
Nicolás Rodríguez Juárez
José Luis Rodríguez Alconedo

Look at this selfie painting of painter Juan Rodiguez Suarez made in year 1719:

https://conservapedia.com/Mexican_Painters

If anyone uses ancestry.com, are you having issues pasting citation sources from familysearch.com?

I just noticed all the source citations I researched last night did not copy/paste properly. When copied into ancestry.com, the URLs/links get scrambled. At first it appears correct, but if re-opened, its all scrambled and will not work. An error code from ancestry will appear. I am using Chrome Browser and even cleared cookies/cached data and still.

When pasting link directly to a blank Chrome page it works fine, must be issue with ancestry.

Example:

This

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QB9X-9B?i=94&wc=3JF8-Z…

gets turned to this:

https%3a%2f%2fwww.familysearch.org%2fark%3a%2f61903%2f3%3a1%3a939L-QB9X-9B%3fi%3d94%2…

Any ideas?

Ruben R

Saludes: My interest is finding locating documenting my and my wife’s ancestry. Basically Hernández Ramírez and Zamora Canal. Of course from there branch out to associated marriage partners families etc. other than that my other very intense research is identifying the origins of my wife’s birth place “Rincón de Luisa” a municipality of Autlan Jalisco Mexico of which in the 17 century in 1836 it was known in church and later in civil documentation as “Lo de Luisa”. The question remains who was Luisa? Who were her parents. Who were they. In other words genealogy research.

Cordialmente, David Hernández

Dear Group,
I'm trying to see if there is a connection between the Bernardo Garcia de la Cadena found in three below and man by the same name who is the son of Capitan Lazaro Garcia de la Cadena from Jerez?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-12985-28?cc=1874591&wc…

Bernardo Garcia de la Cadena (b~1700)
A1. Juan ""_______B1. Francisca (perhaps Priciliana) "" (m:Juan Baldovin Albarado)
A2. Javier ""______B2. Maria Valdovinos (m. Gaspar Sandoval)
.________________B3. Antonio Sandoval

In a possibly related note, in the Tlaltenango records in 1721, I came across the marriage of one o Lazaro's sons, Pedro Garcia de la Cadena: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15237-6509-10?cc=1410092&wc=…

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks Arturo G.

Hi,

I am currently researching late 1600s Rubio family from Magdalena and Etzatlán in Jalisco. For the most part, this family is described as "mulatos", but a few are also described as mulatos and "de nacion parda".

This term is new to me and when google translated, it means "of brown nation" Have any of you came across this term before. Could it be referring to a specific African tribe or geographic location?

Here are a few links: Antonio Rubio Sánchez and Pedro Rubio Valenzuela.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QB9F-93?i=49&wc=3JF8-Z…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QB9F-3G?i=53&cc=1874591

Thank You
Ruben R

Hi,

I have been working on my tree for a while, but I got a little stuck with Barthola Flores de la Torre (married in aprox. 1711 to Pedro Bañuelos).

In their marriage dispense, it states that she is the daughter of an indigenous woman named Maria Magdalena and of Hernan Flores de la Torre... and that she is from Mesquituta (not sure if I got the right name... I believe there is a town in Zacatecas called like this but then thought it could be confused with mesquitic...)..

The document does not state her age (or at least that is what I think... it was a long document, repetitive and there are some parts I could not figured out). I figure out that if she married in 1711 maybe she was born around 1690..?

I cannot find any other document that can help me find out which Hernan Flores de la Torre is this, in order for me to continue generations up....

I saw that in some family search trees, they have added Hernan Flores de la Torre y Sandi as her father... could this be correct? and if so, how can I get some document to prove it?

I hope someone could help me find out a little more about this.

Thanks!

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Hola,

He estado trabajando en mi árbol por un rato, pero me quede atorada con Barthola Flores de la Torre (casada aprox. 1711 con Pedro Bañuelos).

En su dispensa matrimonial dice que ella es hija de una mujer indígena llamada Maria Magdalena y de Hernan Flores de la Torre... y que es de Mesquituta (no estoy segura de haber obtenido el nombre correcto del pueblo... creo que hay un pueblo llamado así en Zacatecas pero después pensé que podría decir también Mesquitic ...)

El documento no dice su edad (o al menos eso creo... era un documento largo, repetitivo y algunas partes no las pude descifrar). Yo supongo que si se caso en 1711 ella pudo haber nacido alrededor de 1690..?

NO puedo encontrar ningún documento que me ayude a descifrar cuál Hernán Flores de la Torre es su padre,para continuar con generaciones arriba....

He visto que en algunos arboles en family search, han agregado a Hernán Flores de la Torre y Sandi como su papa... será esto correcto? y de ser así, como puedo conseguir algún documento para probarlo?

Espero que alguien me pueda ayudar a encontrar mas información al respecto o me guie para saber donde puedo encontrar los records.

Gracias!

Thanks to Salvador Cabral Valdes and his friend and source Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen, I've been able to extend/update my BANUELOS Family Tree 2 more generations further back! You can view it in my FILE under

Leon, Joseph de (Jerez, Zacatecas, Huejucar, Jalisco)

Gracias a Salvador Cabral Valdes y a su amigo que dio la informacion Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen, he podido extender mi Arbo BANUELOS 2 generaciones mas para atras. Pueden ver el arbol en mi FILE

Leon, Joseph de (Jerez, Zacatecas, Huejucar, Jalisco)

Pantaleon Villagrana and Maria Marina Villavicencio

Hello, is anyone familiar with the term "Morisca'? I believe it appears after the daughter and mother's name on Pasquela Prudencia's 1749 San Luis Potosi birth record on the link listed below. I first thought it was their middle name.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9G2R-93VL?i=150&wc=3PH…

I googled the term and it means Spanish Muslim.

Thank you,

Cynthia

Hi to all Nuestro Rancho members,

Can someone look at this half page document for me and rewrite it clearly so I can see what it says?? It is about my ancestor Blas Madera. Thank you.

Buenos días.

Me permito colocar dos enlaces que pueden ser interés.

El primero es que los artículos que escribió el historiador Marcial de Castro sobre Autillo de Campos (Palencia) los pueden encontrar en el siguiente enlace:

https://historiaautillodecampos.blogspot.com/

El segundo es uno de mi propio sitio web donde he subido las fotos del letrero en forma de R que se está colocando en Reinoso de Cerrato y que contiene la biografía del caballero hospitalario Gutierre Pérez de Reinoso.

https://tiafgs.com/r-for-reinoso

Un saludo,

Sancho de Rentería legítimamente procreó a doña Angela de Rentería Velasco y
Mójica Río de la Loza, quien casó con don Juan del Campo y de la Torre,
progenitor de Manuel de la Torre y Rentería, casado a su vez con doña María
Josefa González de Haro y López, hija de don Gabriel González de Haro y de
doña Mariana de Güero, que a su vez fue hija de don Sebastián de Agüero y de
Isabel de Rojas, vecinos de la ciudad de Zacatecas, donde contrajeron
nupcias el 6 de noviembre de 1619.

Manuel y Josefa procrearon a Jacinto de la Torre González nacido en la
villa de Jerez el año de 1686 y casado así mismo en Jerez el año de 1702
con doña Catalina de Llanos y Valdés, hija menor del Capitán don Juan José
de Llanos y Valdés y de doña Juana de Avila y Silva, fallecida en el pueblo
de Colotlán antes del año de 1685.

Al presentarse a la iglesia el día 21 de marzo de 1702, Jacinto de la Torre
declaró ser español y tener edad de 16 años, además de ser natural y vecino
de la villa de Jerez, firmando su dicho, mismo en el que dijo ser ya
fallecido Manuel de la Torre,su padre. De igual modo lo hizo Catalina de
Llanos y Valdés, española, de 18 años de edad, natural y vecina de la villa
de Jerez. Además señaló que el pretenso le es deudor de su honra, y no firmó
por no saber. En esta información fue primer testigo: Pedro
González,español, de 65 años de edad y maestro de niños, vecino de la villa
de Jerez que dijo tener consigo al pretenso desde muy pequeño, enseñandolo a
leer, cuya declaración firmó.

mismo sabe que dicho don Isidro de la Torre es legítimo hijo de don Jacinto
de la Torre y de doña Catarina de Llanos y Valdés. Responde a la segunda
pregunta, pregunto que don Juan José de Llanos y Valdés abuelo del que
declara, y bisabuelo de dicho Bachiller, fue casado con doña Juana de Avila
y entre diversos hijos, procrearon a la expresada doña Catarina Valdés,
mujer que fue de dicho don Jacinto de la Torre, sin que en esto haya razon
de dudar. A la tercera responde, que aunque no conoció a don Tomás de Avila
(foto No. 9).

Al presentarse a la iglesia el día 21 de marzo de 1702, Jacinto de la Torre
declaró ser español y tener edad de 16 años, además de ser natural y vecino
de la villa de Jerez, firmando su dicho, mismo en el que dijo ser ya
fallecido Manuel de la Torre, su padre. De igual modo lo hizo Catalina de
Llanos y Valdés, española, de 18 años de edad, natural y vecina de la villa
de Jerez. Además señaló que el pretenso le es deudor de su honra, y no firmó
por no saber. En esta información fue primer testigo: Pedro González,
español, de 65 años de edad y maestro de niños, vecino de la villa de Jerez
que dijo tener consigo al pretenso desde muy pequeño, enseñándole a leer,
cuya declaración firmó.

Description: Bautizado en Jerez el 15 de mayo de 1686. Padrinos: don José
Sánchez Castellanos de Haro y doña Josefa de Chávez Ruíz de Soto, casados el
11 de junio de 1675. Archivo de la parroquia La Inmaculada de Jerez, Zac. L

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Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
http://jerez-zacatecas.webcindario.com (web Vieja mas Completa)
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/

Busco informacion sobre el matrimonio de Nicolas Lopez Bueso y Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon, asi como la fecha de nacimiento de Nicolas Lopez Bueso Guerrero.
Agradezco cualquier informacion u orientacion para encontrarlo.
Gracias!!

I saw this link on mexican colonial artifacts and it seems it is for sale. I wonder how they came into possession of these?

https://www.1stdibs.co.uk/search/furniture/?oq=colonial%20mexico&q=colo…

Hi everyone,

I've been doing some research on Alonso Velasco Bernal, but I can't seem to find any documents that mention his children. Are there any later chronicles that mention them? Everyone seems to identify at least two sons, Bernabé and Francisco. My question is, how do we know they are the sons of Alonso Velasco Bernal and Ana Fuentes Flores?

This has alot of archives of colonial Mecico. Does anyone know if it can be viewed online?

University of Arizona Institutional Repository:

http://uair.library.arizona.edu/item/200

I visited my parents for christmas and my dad happened to be doing inventory on his massive coin collection. For the first time ever I saw it in its entirety. They were pretty neat so I decided to start myself.

Now in all of history so many different coins have been made, so I decided I needed a focus for my collection. I decided I would collect coins that my ancestors would have used.

So if you guys were curious, here are some pictures of what reales looked like that were minted in colonial Mexico.

https://imgur.com/a/ximcoxv

Now we know what coins they used to pay for those notary pages!

Alex

Hello,

I am not sure if this was discussed before, but I wanted to get additional information and this forum's thoughts on the ethicalness of performing DNA tests on the remains of deceased ancestors.

1. I have no background in biology/chemistry, but I was wondering whether anyone has some insight as to whether DNA can be gathered from the remains of interred ancestors. For example, would bones that are 150 years old provide DNA which could be compared to more "recent" DNA? How useful would such DNA be?

2. How ethical would it be to "dig up" old tombstones and to perform these tests? Is there a period of time/generations where it becomes more and more okay? Say individuals deceased over 100 years ago?

3. Are there any university projects or initiatives that have taken this approach?

Appreciate any thoughts,

Rafael

I would suggest RESENDING your introduction to the group and ADDING the URL to your folder. I would ALSO suggest anytime you add information to your folder you send a message to the group letting us know you've made changes and ALSO ADD the URL to your folder. The goal is for other members researching YOUR same geographical location in our research area to possibly make a connection and either advance their own genealogy or help you advance your genealogy. Oh and don't forget you might find a cousin or two in the process.

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Sugeriría VOLVER A ENVIAR su introducción al grupo y AGREGAR la URL a su carpeta. TAMBIÉN sugeriría que cada vez que agregue información a su carpeta, envíe un mensaje al grupo para informarnos que ha realizado cambios y TAMBIÉN AGREGUE la URL a su carpeta. El objetivo es encontrar otros miembros cuya área de investigación sea la misma que SU área geográfica de investigación y posiblemente hacer una conexión y avanzar en su propia genealogía o ayudarlo a avanzar en su genealogía. Ah, y no olvides que podrías encontrar un primo o dos en el proceso.

My question is about what provinces to be included in the geneology of Nuestros Ranchos.

It is supposed to be the provinces of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes which back in the colonial days would had been the region of "Nueva Galicia."

Nueva Galicia as well as other northern provinces such as Nayarit, Durango, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, Los Californias and Texas was under jurisdiction of the Real Audencia Government of Guadalajara of Jalisco province. As well as the Catholic Bishop of Guadalajara who had religious jurisdiction.

So my question is should nuestros ranchos should include the geneology of those other northern provinces as well since our ancestors were governed by the Real Audencia and Catholic Bishop of Guadalajara/Jalisco?

Hello!
My name is Adrian, I’m in my early 20s and recently became interested in my ancestry. My mothers side of the family is from Calvillo, Aguascalientes, El Bajio de San Jose, Encarnacion de diaz, Jalostitlan and Teocaltiche. My fathers maternal side is from Meson de Los sauces, Encarnacion de diaz and Jalostitlan, teocaltiche, San Juan de Los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno. My fathers side is where I would like to expand. I’ve hit a brick wall as my paternal grandfather and his father were born in the United States in the late 1800s and early 1900s so there is no record of their birth in Mexico to start my journey back. So if anyone has any info on the Martinez family in meson de Los sauces please PM me.

My common surnames on my tree are: Jaime/Jayme/Xayme, Villaseñor, Macias, Martinez, Martin, Martin Del Campo, Lozano, Cruz.

Also I’ve gotten my DNA results back from 23&me, Ancestry Dna and familytreedna can anyone give me insight on how I have Cryprus DNA, 2% and middle eastern DNA 4% as a Mexican. I have managed to find key members on this dna like my Jewish ancestors who were European Jews forced to convert. I still haven’t found any actual records on the indigenous people. Just Mestizo records.

Paternal haplogroup: J2a1b1: J2- M92
Maternal haplogroup: H

In the 23 Sep 1760 Colotlan baptism of Matheo (second from bottom right at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F9S3-KX?cc=1874591&wc=3J4B… ), his birth is placed at Hazcata.

I cannot find any such place. Does anyone else know about Hazcata?

I am looking for the images that correspond to the indexed records for batch M60575-1. The records are for San Juan Bautista, Apaseo el Grande, Guanajuato, México, and they are linked to digital folder number 4786295 and microfilm number 654418. I searched the referenced film (654418) and didn't find images that matched the corresponding indexed records. Has anyone here come across them on another roll of film? Any help would be very much appreciated.

I've hit a brick wall with a RAMIREZ line I'm currently researching. I'm looking for the parents of Nicolas RAMIREZ and his spouse Maria de la Concepcion MORALES/MORONES/MORANTES. They lived in “las Cruces” in the parishes of Ayo el Chico and Arandas.

To the best of my knowledge, their children are as follows:

Juana RAMIREZ b. 1731

Juan RAMIREZ b. 1734

Thoribio RAMIREZ b. about 1739; married 1759

Ana de la Luz RAMIREZ b. 1741

Nicolás Antonio RAMIREZ b. 1744

Any assistance given would be greatly appreciated.

Glenn