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I had never paid attention to the missing years since most of my research
was in Lagos. After looking at the content of the volumes I see that the
marriages from January 1690 to August 1729. The missing 39 years of
marriages would definitely have had a lot of good information. The volume
of Información Matrimonial 1693-1699 has the years 1702 to 1729 starting
with image 412
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19046-47952-41?cc=1874591&wc…
should attempt to find something there.

Saludos
Armando

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 3:29 PM, wrote:

> I'm stuck on this couple, Xptoval Saucedo & Feliciana De Udabe who should
> have been married between 1705-1712 in Teocaltiche. I cant find a marriage
> for them, it looks like the marriage records for this time frame are
> missing. Does anyone have any info on the marriage or ancestors of this
> couple? Here is what I have on them and their eight children;
>
> Christoval Saucedo died 1742 married to Feliciana de Udabe died 1745
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Adrián Márquez Padilla

Me gustaria confirmar si tu bisabuelo Benigno Gutiérrez Padilla, era hermano de Norberto Gutiérrez Padilla , esposo de Librada Gutierrez, de ser asi me gustaria contactar contigo para intercambiar datos.

Saludos

Alicia,

Are you saying that the priest when recording these vital records
made these errors or are these errors LDS input errors?

Can you give one example...?

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:42:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores

This is just a heads up to anyone doing research in Nochistlan but specific to film # 226675, Bautismos 1870-1873, it's full of errors, listing the wrong names or surnames at least 20-30 % of the time so make sure to double check off of other records the surnames of the grandparents or even for that matter of the parents. Too many mistakes to list!!
I wish I could write and notify someone to make the corrections but I guess I'm at least 140 years too late.

Un aviso a todos los que hacen estudios en family search, especificamente los archivos del rollo# 226675 de Bautismos de Nochistlan, Zacatecas, 1870-1873. Contiene

Enrique,

Hasta hoy, revisando mis correos electronicos, me doy cuenta que has avanzado profundamente en el tema de los Ramirez de Prado y los Perez de guzman. Aun, no se nada sobre estos Garcia Montero o Garcia de Rivas, pero seguramente debido a la epoca y lugar deberian originar de otro lugar. Es muy interesante que hubo otros conexciones con los Ramirez de Prado al norte de Mexico especialmente, Texas y Nuevo Mexico. Si podias escribirme a mi correo personal sobre el tema seria fabuloso. Ahora, que tal los Ramirez de Prado de Michoacan? El Fr. Marcos Ramirez de Prado, Arzobispo de Valladolid?

Saludos,
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Seguro será una presentación súper interesante y profesional como tu trabajo en la Web. Que pena no poder estar allí. Esperaré pacientemente el resumen.

Creo que hay tanta información en los detalles de cada documento de investigación matrimonial que es un gran tesoro poder acceder a ellos con el catálogo que presenta guadalajaradispensas.com

Cada documento resuelve algunas incógnitas y suscita otras. A veces me he preguntado por qué hay quienes piden dispensas para evadir las amonestaciones, por ejemplo. generalmente quienes lo hacen me parece se apoyan en su liderazgo social y económico. En fin, desde la caligrafía, el lugar de donde proceden los documentos, las distintas clases de dispensas que se piden, las multas y penitencias, etc. todos me parecen puntos de apoyo para investigar cada documento y con él cada personage y cada familia.

Muchas gracias por tu trabajo y mucho éxito en la conferencia.

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

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Saludos,
Claudia
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Pat you are right, I have Cordero not Corbera.. sorry abt that!
Do you have a Jerez connection?
Linda in Everett

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RootsWeb Websote - Attm - Linda

Linda,

Your RootsWeb website is a fountain of information.  I didn't see any Corvera/Corbera listings.  I will check out the Cordero and Cabrera listings in hopes that my Corberas may be linked with these possible spelling variations...

I will continue to view your site for other surnames that appear in my family history search.

Once again thank you.. you have done a wonderful job in sharing your findings...

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Adrián Márquez Padilla

Gracias Irma por la información, Emeteria Gutierrez Padilla, hija de Simon Gutierrez y Rita Padilla, acta de matrimonio con Benigno Gutierrez:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-53252-29?cc=1874591&wc…

María Emeteria Gutierrez Padilla fue hermana de mi bisabuela materna Maria Refugio Gutierrez Padilla.

Ysabel Gutierrez Padilla, hija de Pablo Gutierrez y Refugio Padilla...

Saludos

Moises B. Huizar
En la Iglesia parroquial de Nochistlan. en 28 dias del mes de enero de 1808, yo, el presbitero Don Rafael Higinio Mendez De Torres como teniente de esta Feligresia, bautice solemnemente y puse los santos oleos a una nina, que dijeron haber nacido el 28 mes a las 4 de la manana poco mas o menos. Hija legitima de y de legitimo matrimonio de Don Victoriano Ruiz y de Dona Maria Ysabel Albarez, espanoles del rancho " (???)" de esta Feligresia. Abuelos Paternos: Don Jose Antonio Ruiz y Dona Maria Felipa Gonsalez. y maternos Don Jose Maria Alvarez y Dona Maria De La O Duran., asimismo espanoles de dicho rancho. Se le puso por nombre Maria Sebastiana Ynes De La Santisima Trinidad. Fueron sus padrinos Don Rafael Mastromedo Zeballos y Dona Manuela Servantes Negrete, espanoles de este pueblo a quienes administre el pan espiritual y demas obligaciones. Es para que conste. Lo firmo con el Sr cura propio.
Juan Xavier De Zuniga Rafael Higinio Mendez De Torres

It looks like Maria de la O Duran to me

Jose Carlos de Leon

Si nadie soluciona tu problema en dos o tres días recuerdame y trataré de
hacerlo cuando tenga tiempo. ¿cual programa de genealogía usas?

Armando
On Apr 22, 2012 10:51 PM, wrote:

> Alguein me podria orientar como hacer cambios en mi árbol? Me concontré
> con un error y debo corregirlo.

Entierro humilde was a humble burial. It was a simple burial, did not include high mass with a cross and candles

Entierro Mayor would include the capa, cruz, (cross) and ciriales (candles)
Entierro Humilde is a humble burial - Fee was paid for the burial
Entierro de Limosna -  A Pauper's burial

At least this is how it was explained to me.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Entierros "humildes" and "de limosna"

Hi, I would like to know what the difference was between entierros "humildes" and entierros "de limosna". I have also seen in records, that people actually gave money to the church (fabrica de ? pesos) so that the corpse could stay buried for a couple of years. I have also seen that in the burial records of San Martin Hidalgo of the 1820s, next to the corpse's race (e.g. español, yndio, mulato) the priest

I assume it refers "humildes" to the Indios and "de limosna" as to a no-charge burial, but let's see what others have to say.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Fue hijo de padres no conocidos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-41563-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM, wrote:

> Saludos amigos, he encontrado (tal parece) el inicio de mi árbol
> genealógico, pero me dice que Joseph Hurtado nacido entre los años 1655 y
> 1663 en el puesto de la Barrera, jurisdicción del rincón de León y
> avecinado en la feligresía de Lagos o en Nostanejo cerca de Jacona en las
> inmediaciones de Unión de San Antonio y radicado en El carrizo de los
> Hurtado Municipio de Lagos de Moreno y casado con Micaela De Anda
> Altamirano el 4 de marzo de 1690.
> ¿Alguien sabe con exactitud la fecha de nacimiento de Joseph Hurtado y el
> nombre de sus ascendentes?
>
> saludos
> profr. Raúl Hurtado Pérez

George.

The phrase in English is as follows [with Spanish in brackets]. I gave [di] ecclesiastical burial [sepultura ecclesiastica, note the mix of Latin and Spanish orthography] with a 'low burial mass' [con entierro menor]with a 'donation' of [en fabrica de] etc... The word 'fabrica' as used in this document is not modern, some dictionaries don't even list its meaning as used here. When an amount is proferred the term 'limosna' is not used because that word denotes an act of charity on the part of the parish. Church liturgy has different levels. For example there is difference between a high mass and a low mass. In some localities I have seen the use of 'con cruz baja' or 'con cruz alta' depending on whether or not the church choir, a procession, and other items were used in the service. Much of this information may not be applicable to current practices due to many liturgical changes. (I did view the film online.)

As for the changes wrought by Benito Juarez, I won't even

George,

The phrase "entierro menor" denotes a type of liturgy or rite associated with a church burial. The word "fabrica" [accent on 'a'] refers to a church building fund. The rest of the phrase refers to the money of the day. Could "se" be the word "de"?, if not then the "se" doesn't make sense syntactically. All the clergy I have met over the years resist the notion of "charging" for the 'services' they provide. The phrase you noted is more of a personal note than sentence.

David Delgado
Albany, CA

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>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Assistance with terminology
>
>I have seen several death records from Asientos in the mid 1790s with a clause similar to "se entierro menor en fabrica de quatro pesos seis reales".
>
>Other records are annotated "limosna," which I assume means the person was poor, and was buried without a donation or payment to the Church.
>
>When I try a

something I have found in some older burial records is a time limit of 5 years. Does that simply mean they can bury another person in that grave after 5 years? I was told in Jerez, Zac that in the old days more than one person could be buried in the same grave. The older bones were put to the foot of the grave.  Did this happen anywhere else other than Jerez?
Linda in Everett

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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Assistance with terminology

I have seen several death records from Asientos in the mid 1790s with a clause similar to "se entierro menor en fabrica de quatro pesos seis reales".

Other records are annotated "limosna," which I assume means the person was poor, and was buried without a donation or payment to the Church.

When I try a computer translation of this clause (such as with google), the result makes no sense.

Is this amount a donation, or