Hola Rick y Edward, igualmente un saludo a todos los que pudieran leer éste mensaje que creo necesario hacerlo público en éste post

Advierto que puedo extenderme un poco al respecto pero considero que le será útil a cualquier descendiente o estudioso del tema ya que he analizado el traslado de la ejecutoria de hidalguía litigada por los hermanos García López Osorio, Bernardino Osorio y Cristóbal Díaz Narices hijos de Martín Álvarez Osorio y Mariana López Narices.

La primer palabra que puedo utilizar para describir dicho documento es "sospechoso" y ahora les haré una lista de los testigos y los puntos clave que me han generado cierta incomodidad al leer el documento, sensación que me atrevo a pensar que sentía el acusador Francisco de Vargas al conocer la sentencia favorable a dichos hermanos.

También les compartiré un pequeño resumen con más dudas que surgen antes de que cualquier otra persona en éste u otro espacio de encuentro genealógico simplemente tache el documento de falso y la

Saludos Leo,

Un Dia en el futuro nos vemos en Mexico.  Gracias por compartir tu informacíon.   

Saludos Edward,

Unfortunately something came up and I won’t be able to be in the San Fernando Valley on Monday after all.   I am looking forward to meeting you soon.  

Gracias,

Rick A. Ricci

Apenas he leido una parte del principio y ya puedo compartirles algo curioso, Bernardino Osorio solicita el traslado de la ejecutoria para pasar a la Nueva España en 1561 y la original se quedará con su hermano mayor en Sevilla.

en el estudio Martín López, Carpintero de Ribera por Guillermo Porras Muñoz se encuentra el traslado de una Real Provisión dirigida a Martín López Osorio en la cual se puede leer lo siguiente:

"Vuestra clara Genealojia pues desendeis de la esclaresida casa de Pedro Alvares Ossorio que por su lealtad murio malamente en tiempo de nro progenitor el Rey Don Pedro"

la Real Provisión está fechada en Madrid el 10 de noviembre de 1551 diez años antes de la petición de Bernardino Osorio, es interesante pensar cuando fue que Martín igualmente levantó algúna información genealógica antes de que su primo llegara con una copia de la ejecutoria de sus padres desde Sevilla.

Edward te agradezco enormemente haber compartido ese maravilloso documento, me gustaría poder encontrarme personalmente con los dos e igualmente discutir abiertamente el tema y lamento no poder hacerlo. pero me dedicaré a leer ciudadosamente todo el manuscrito y les compartiré por privado mis concluciones una vez revisado. igualmente Rick agradezco tu incansable actividad e interes en éstos temas esperando algún día podamos conectar las dos generaciones que no quedan claras.

Saludos.

Saludos Leo y Edward,

Leo tiene razon en gue hay otra generacion. Dos documentos hacen La linea mas larga.  

Si descendemos de lo Lopez Osorio como tiene el documento que tiene Edward pero hay una generacion mas en la cadena a los Cornejo.   Despues lo mando.   
 

Gracias Leo y Edward,
Rick A. Ricci

Muchisimas gracias Edward y Leonardo por compartir esta informacíon. Yo creo que necesito ir al Smithsonian para buscar por el libro que tiene el arbol familia hasta lo Osorio y que  alamejor puede contestar las preguntas que tiene Leonardo. 

Rick

Descent from Alonso Cornejo 1 & Ines Ramirez de Cantillana to my cousin Maggie Hunter.

Línea-Primera:

14.)- Alonso Cornejo I cc. Inés Ramírez de Cantillana

13.)- Alonso Cornejo II cc. Francisca Rodríguez (Acosta o Serrano)

12.)-  Micaela Ramírez-Cornejo cc. José Vallejo Osorio Gordívar

11.)-  Francisco Vallejo y Ramírez-Cornejo cc. Gabriela María Martínez de Alcaraz

10.)- Blas Jerónimo Vallejo cc. Antonia de Lomelín

9.)- María Gertrudis Vallejo Lomelin cc. Jose Remigio Anastasio de la Mota Padilla

8.)- Maria Bernardina de Jesus Padilla + Jose Maria Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza Suazo de Carmona

7.)- Eulogia de San Rafael Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza + Juan Jose Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza

6.)- Maria del Refugio Gomez y Gomez + Gregorio Perez De La Torre

5.)- Maria S de R Perez Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza + Nicolas Ramirez y Gomez

4.)- Juana Ramirez + Jose Prospero Perez Franco

3.)- Maria del Carmen Perez Ramirez + Jose Hermenegildo Romo Franco "don Mere"

2.)- Maria Luisa Romo Perez + Jorge Ávalos

1.)- Margarita

Saludos y Muchisimas gracias Leo,

Todavia no reviso toda las lineas, pero tienes a “Jose Remigio Anastasio de la Mota Padilla”  como Anastacio de La Mota Padilla.    Jose Remigio Anastasio de la Mota Padilla Es su nombre completo.

Y un analysis de “DNA” (ADN) nos dice que Antonia Lomelin es India o mestiza porque La linea materna es india. Descendencia de Antonia Lomelin a mi madre son mujeres.

Rick A. Ricci

Hola Rick y Edward, lamento no haber comentado antes, me he tardado meses en revisar y rectificar toda la información 

genealógica que poseo, te explico rapidamente nuestros ancestros Cornejo en común Rick.

Línea-Primera:

01- Alonso Cornejo I cc. Inés Ramírez de Cantillana

02- Alonso Cornejo II cc. Francisca Rodríguez (Acosta o Serrano)

03- Micaela Ramírez-Cornejo cc. José Vallejo Osorio Gordívar

04- Francisco Vallejo y Ramírez-Cornejo cc. Gabriela María Martínez de Alcaraz

05- Blas Jerónimo Vallejo cc. Antonia de Lomelín

06- María Gertrudis Vallejo cc. Anastasio de la Mota Padilla

Línea-Segunda:

01- Alonso Cornejo I cc. Inés Ramírez de Cantillana

02- Nicolás Cornejo cc. ---- (Aún ignoro el nombre de su esposa)

03- Rosa Ramírez-Cornejo cc. Miguel García del Castillo

04- Bartolomé García del Castillo cc. Ana de Herrera

05- Manuela Victoria García del Castillo cc. Felipe Macedonio de la Mota Padilla

06- Anastasio de la Mota Padilla cc. María Gertrudis Vallejo

yo desciendo de Luis Padilla hijo de

What happened to Leonardo’s comments that had been posted in this thread?   I would like to study the documents regarding the common ancestors that I share with him that descend from Alonso Cornejo.   

Que paso con los comentarios de Leonardo?  Leonardo y yo somos primos lejanos y el encontro unos documentos que enseňan descendencia de dos hijos de Alonso Cornejo.   Yo quiero estudiar esos documentos.

Thank you Rick A. Ricci

Saludos Edward y Leo,

Muchas gracias por la informacíon.   Ahora si hay documento conectando Nicolas Cornejo con su padre Alonso Cornejo.   

Tambien les quiero avisar que Mayor Velasco Tambien desciende de Osorio y Que Ella y Su esposo son primos lejanos.  

Tambien Diego Temino de Velasco es primo lejano de Mayor Velasco por lo Velasco.

Rick A Ricci

Saludos Edward,

Subject:  Mayor de Velasco

So according to what you posted, Mayor Velasco is the mother of Garcia Alvarez Osorio.  And we know from the lawsuit over the taxes on the inherited property from their father that Garcia Alonso Osorio and Martin Alvarez Osorio are full brothers sharing the same inheritance and same parents.  You also posted her parents as Pedro de Velasco, I Conde de Haro, and Maria Garcia de Sarmiento.   I already had Mayor’s parents as ancestors as her brother is my ancestor through my Padilla ancestry.

This Alvaro Perez de Osorio was a lord over the many regions, and  “La Rioja” was one of them. So may explain the Rioja/Riojano surname.   

Great work Edward,

Thank you,

Rick A. Ricci

Merging the two Pedro [  (18.)-  Pedro Alvarez de Osorio] has stayed on my mind.    I don’t feel comfortable merging the two.   I think more research needs to be done. From the nobilario and other records we do have lots of information, but I feel more research needs to be done before merging these two Pedro Alvarez Osorios.

We do know that Martin Alvarez Osorio and Garcia Alvarez Osorio are brothers and we know their fathers name, Alvaro Perez Osorio, grandfathers  name, Pedro Alvarez Osorio, and great grandfather’s name, Juan Alvarez Osorio; But the question that hovers over the whole situation is the names of the mother and grandmother.    I think we should look up more records to make sure we are making the right decisions as to their names 

Rick A. Ricci

Saludos Edward y Leonardo,

I have the coat of arms of Martin Lopez Osorio.  The document even has an image of it     It is beautiful.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/17938?nm

I also want to point out that more research is needed.    (Alvaro had children with his wife.  Right now I can’t confirm if we descend from her. More research is needed.)

Rick A. Ricci

1.)- Edward Rojano

2.)- Rojano

3.)- Pedro Rojano Parra: born 18 October 1921, San Juan de Amula, Jalisco; died 10 October 2024 in Oceanside, CA.

4.)- Margarito Rojano Castillo: born 10 June 1888 El Límon, Jalisco; died 21 July 1934 in San Juan de Amula, El Límon, Jalisco.

5.)- Juan Cornejo Garcia  (also known as Juan Rojano Garcia): born 26 November 1847 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 27 April 1900 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

6.)- José Remigio Cornejo Tostado (also known as Remigio Rojano): born 30 September 1824 in Coca, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 17 November 1892 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

7.)- José Ramón Nonato Cornejo Franco (also known as Ramon Rojano): born 1795 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

8.)- José Servando Cornejo Ramírez de Hermosillo: born 1755 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in 1833 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

9.)- José Fulgencio Cornejo Romo: born January 1730 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 20 January 1793 in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

10.)- Salvador Cornejo

Saludos Edward y Leonardo,

I wondered why the Riojano/Rojano (variation of De Rojas/de Riojas) would continue popping up with the surname Cornejo and not Osorio.     But now there is an answer to that.  This de Riojas/Rojas ancestry has a connection to the royal family.  The line descends from King Fernando III de Castilla aka “El Santo Rey”. They were as much nobility as the Osorio, if not higher. I’m at work on my dinner break   Tomorrow I will post an ancestral line to King Fernando III El Santo .

And as to dropping parts of the last name.   One of my lines is Alvarez Tostado but in the 1800’s we dropped the Tostado.  My father in laws grandfather was Alvarez Tostado but he dropped the Alvarez from the name and my father in laws surname was Tostado.  My Martin del Campo dropped the del Campo in the 1800’s and my mother in laws Martin del Campo ancestorschanged their surname to just Campos.

Rick A. Ricci 

1. Edward

2. Father (living)

3.Pedro Rojano Parra: born 18 October 1921, San Juan de Amula, Jalisco; died 10 October 2024 in Oceanside, CA.

4. Margarito Rojano Castillo: born 10 June 1888 El Límon, Jalisco; died 21 July 1934 in San Juan de Amula, El Límon, Jalisco.

5. Juan Cornejo Garcia  (also known as Juan Rojano Garcia): born 26 November 1847 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 27 April 1900 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

6. José Remigio Cornejo Tostado (also known as Remigio Rojano): born 30 September 1824 in Coca, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 17 November 1892 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

7. José Ramón Nonato Cornejo Franco (also known as Ramon Rojano): born 1795 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

8. José Servando Cornejo Ramírez de Hermosillo: born 1755 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in 1833 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

9. José Fulgencio Cornejo Romo: born January 1730 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 20 January 1793 in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

10. Salvador Cornejo Ramírez: born 1689 in

Saludos Leonardo y Edward,

After reading the nobilario, I had more questions in my mind that led me back to Leonardo’s and Edward’s questions regarding the Osorio ancestry, so I went back to my notes and did more research.   I had originally told Edward that I believed that the Rojano/Riojano surname came from a “de Rojas” ancestry in our Osorio line.  But when I went back to look at out ancestral line with Maria Fernandez de Villalobos as Pedro Alvarez de Osorio’s wife I couldn’t find the Rojas line.   Then Leonardo questioned the ancestry.  Those thoughts were lingering as a cloud as I read the nobilario.  So yes the line starts with Juan Alvarez Osorio and his wife Aldonza de Guzman, but the nobilario doesn’t mention the wives names of Pedro Alvarez Osorio and Alvar Perez Osorio.   So I did more research which is hard on this family because there were so many Rodrigo, Alvaro, and Pedro Osorios in the family.  And it turns out that I needed to merge some of the Pedro Alvarez Osorios

Saludos Edward,

Creo Que su nombre es Vicente

Juan Cornejo and Josepha del Castillo are the parents of Francisca Cornejo del Castillo married to Nicolas Acosta on March 30, 1664 at Asuncion, Mexico, Districto Federal.  They are the parents of Gertrudis Cornejo de  Acosta baptized on June 27, 1663 in Centro, Distrito Federal, México.      Are they related to Francisca Acosta and Alonso Cornejo?


Rick A. Ricci

Saludos Leonardo y Edward,

Muchas Garcia’s por compartir sobre esta familia.    Maria Fernandez de Villalobos era pariente de su esposo. Ella tambien descendia de La familia Osorio. Lo de Villalobos viene de Maria Fernandez de Villalobos y no de Pedro Alvarez de Osorio.  El rey hizo a su hijo Señor de Villalobos en gratitud de servicio al rey de su padre. 

17.)- Maria Fernandez de Villalobos (aka Maria Rodriguez de Villalobos) casó con Pedro Alvarez de Osorio

18.)- Fernan Ruiz de Villalobos  (aka Fernando Rodriguez de Villalobos)   (-killed in battle Araviana 22 Sep 1359)

19.)-  Lope Ruiz de Villalobos casó con Berenguela Perez de Castaneda

20.)- Ruy Gil De Villalobos y María Diaz De Haro

21.)- Teresa Fernandez (Osorio)  & Gil Manrique de Manzanedo (b. 1168)

22.)- Fernando Gonzalez de Villalobos ( d. 1218)& his wife Elvira Pelaez

23.)-  Osorio González Señor de Villalobos (also known as Gonzalo Osórez) born approx 1130 ; died 30 May 1138.

24.)- El Conde Osorio Martínez: born approx 1108 in

Saludos Edward,

I saw that someone had already added the Osorio lineage to the Cornejo line on familysearch.  I haven’t checked it all out yet but I did find one common mistake.  Many genealogists have mistaken two cousins with the same name and the same title.    I am sending you an explanation of the mistake and the right lineage.   

Giron to Fernandez de Villalobos

I. Gonzalo Rodríguez Girón (b. 1160) de Fernando III recibe el señorío de Autillo en 1221. Casó con Sancha Rodríguez

II. Gonzalo González Girón, canciller mayor de Fernando III. Casó con Teresa Arias Quesada, hija de Arias González de Quesada y de María Froilaz.

III. Berenguela González Girón, señora de Autillo, quien casó con Lope Ruiz de Haro, el chico, II señor de La Guardia y de Bailén, hijo de Lope Díaz de Haro III, señor de Vizcaya y de Urraca de León.

IV. María Díaz de Haro, señora de Autillo, casó con Ruy Gil de Villalobos, señor de Villalobos.

[Aquí es donde seguimos dos líneas. Ruy Gil De Villalobos y María Diaz De

I am also interested in this family. I have been stuck for years trying to find primary source information on the parents of Antonio Ramirez Cornejo Riojiano, who was married to Maria Jimenez Hurtado Mendoza

the year is 1772.....  per the gemini report above it called it 1762.  Don't just "trust"....

David,

While the request has already been fulfilled, I came here to add that if you have Gemini active in the same window where the image is, it will transcribe the writing for you. I've been using it for help with documents from 1400 and 1500 and has save me hours! It can transcribe a page in seconds, where the task is all but fruitless for me. 

Here's the result for your situation:

"En la Yglia. Parrochial. de Matatlan en siete dias del mes de Dic.re de mil setecientos y sesenta y dos a.s. Baptize solemnem.te a Lazaro Mariano hijo legitimo de Juan de la Serna, y Magdna Mendes fueron sus Padrinos Juanchin Bapt.a y Maria Manla. a quienes amoneste su oblig.on y espiritual parentesco: todos de naturaleza y vec. de dha Cavec.a y para q. conste lo firmo."

I then asked Gemini to translate it into "modern" English (you can do the same into Spanish):

"In the Parish Church of Matatlán, on the seventh day of the month of December, seventeen sixty-two, I solemnly baptized Lazaro Mariano, the

"En la iglesia de Santiago Matatlán, en veinticinco días de diciembre de mil setecientos setenta y dos años, bauticé y puse los santos óleos y crisma a Manuela, hija legítima de Francisco Serna...(next page)(In the margin: Manuela)...y María. Fueron los padrinos Juan López y Josefa, a quienes amonesté su obligación y espiritual parentesco; todos son naturales y vecinos de dicha cabecera, y para que conste, firmé. Agustín Tinoco."

Toribio Hernández de Arellano constitutes a sizable portion of our family's ancestry as we descend from 3 of his daughters (through multiple lines, and probably a 4th daughter as well, just not conclusively proven, yet). So I'm extremely grateful to you, Erik, for providing this information about Toribio and his ancestry.

Best regards,

Travis

Saludos Erik Andres Reynoso, 

I’m curious as to whether you were able to compare the Toribio Hernandez signature on:

(bottom right): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-63GH-8?i=422&cat=…

With the signature that you have from the Torbio Hernandez de Arellano from Salamanca, son of “Sebastián Hernández (arrendador), and Águeda Sánchez”.

Thanks,

Rick A. Ricci

Another wonderful analysis, Erik Andrés, thank you for sharing. I recall you sharing this information in your forum, and I followed it closely, since this family is also among my ancestors. I’ve also followed your posts regarding this family, Rick, thanks again!

If you don’t already have the signature of Toribio Hernández with which you can make comparisons, in a land & water document dated 26 Sep 1590, in Villa de los Lagos, one of the witnesses presented was Toribio Hernández, and he left his signature and gave his age as “mas de cincuenta años” (bottom right): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-63GH-8?i=422&cat=…

He was also presented as a witness on 4 Apr 1570 in Lagos, in the proceso del Santo Oficio contra Pedro Nuñez; at the time, he held the office of regidor and he gave his age as “mas de 40 años”; unfortunately, these files are currently restricted: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-QQN1-2?i=41&cat=3…

Thank

Saludos Erik,

Here is a description given at the website of the sword:

“Se sabe que Sebastián Hernández “el Viejo”, labró en Toledo a finales del siglo XVI, según se desprende de los inventarios del príncipe D. Carlos, hijo del rey Felipe II.

Según la lista de Palomares, seguía viviendo en 1637. Curioso pomo muy similar al nº 47 del libro de Norman y que fue utilizado entre 1545 y 1640.

• GUARNICIÓN: de lazo de hierro dorado. Tiene siete guardas y dos patillas al recazo. Los gavilanes son planos, calados y vueltos en sentido contrario, con un escusón de pico en el centro. También plano y con el mismo calado, es el aro o guarda que llega hasta el pomo. Puño de madera ahusado y alambrado con una pequeña virola en la parte superior. Recazo con vaciado para el pulgar. El pomo es cónico, con dos resaltes macizos y otros dos planos y calados. Luce perilla con cuatro lados.
• HOJA: recta. En el tercio fuerte, tres canales con la inscripción repetida de la marca de Hernández “el viejo” y el resto a dos

Saludos Erik,

Thank you for sharing your information on Toribio Hernandez Arellano.   As I continued researching the Toribio Hernandez Arellano from the Golluf family, the cloud over that research has been not ever finding the definitive piece of evidence that they were the same people.  Though I thought that it was a only a possible match I continued researching the Golluf/Sanchez family and adding information on their genealogy. 

Thanks again for sharing these findings, 

Rick A Ricci

Erik Andres Reynoso has posted information on his research into the ancestry of Toribio Hernandez Arellano. His information has a different ancestry than the Toribio of the Golluf family, and also fits the timeline. 
 

1.)- Marcos Hernández, aka Marcos Vizcaíno., [ doublet-maker (jubetero)] married to Francisca Sánchez,

2.)-  ↑ Luis Hernández (alcalde de la Santa Hermandad) married to Isabel Sierra.

3.)- ↑ Sebastián Hernández, [ landlord, (arrendadero)] married to Águeda Sánchez

4.)- ↑ Toribio Hernandez Arellano

Although I have presented a different possibility with the Golluf ancestry, I am leaning towards the lineage that is presented by Erik.  He wrote the following:

“It is documented that a Toribio Hernández de Arellano departed for the Indies in 1549 (PARES, having obtained a license issued in Valladolid by officials of the Casa de la Contratación in Seville) and that he is named in a partition of inheritance (hijuela) in Salamanca alongside his siblings. These individuals constitute the

I had originally written the following paragraph

“Dr Abraham Haim put the the piece that said our Sanchez line descended through Juan Sanchez de Calayatud (aka Isaac Golluf aka Açach Golluf el menor) and not his brother Pedro Sanchez de Calayatud. I knew that Toribios grandfather Alonso Sanchez descended from Alazar Golluf but had originally thought that the descent was though his son Pedro. Dr Haim is the highest authority on these matters so if he says that he descends from Isaac Golluf (Juan Sanchez) then I will go along with him.”

Corrections:
 

• After looking at these additional records, I believe that I made a mistake to defer to Dr. Abraham Haim.  The additional records used to come to this conclusion are the multiple records of the lawsuits between Açach  Golluf el menor (aka Juan Sanchez de Calatayud), his brothers, his ex-wife, his stepmother over the inheritance from his father, Alazar (Eleazar) Golluf.     I should not have differed to Dr. Abraham Haim and other genealogists. 

Sorry Jorge that I hadn’t responded earlier.    I will soon post an update on the Golluf / Sanchez de Calatayud family and the ancestry of Diego Hurtado de Mendoza that one document states was the father of Isabel de Mendoza.     I also have cleared up the confusion as Pedro Sanchez de Calatayud original Hebrew name.  I will be posting this information soon. 

Rick A. Ricci

Rick,
As you mentioned in another post, Toribio's wife, Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza is not the daughter of Diego Hurtado de Mendoza y Pacheco (who never came to Mexico) and this screws up the genealogy of a lot of people.
I have been looking for the possible parents of Isabel and found one possibility in Diego Hurtado de Mendoza y Aragon (1500-1566) and Maria Mendoza Fonseca (1510-1554).
Are these the real parents of Isabel?
Anothe candidate I have been thinking about is Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, son of Rodrigo Hurtado de Mendoza (1479-?) who was a illegitimate son of Iñigo "el Gran Tendilla" Lopez de Mendoza y Quiñones and Inés de Tapia. Isabel would be the daugther of Inés del Valle y Leyva.

Another question: where could I buy your books?
Best regards.
Jorge

Mr Ricci,
In #3 you say, " Azach (Acaqui) Golluf and his wife Oro (daughter of Azach (Ishaq) Xaprut)".
The last line of #4 says, " Alcazar Golluf and Oro Xaprut are the parents of...".
I think I'm missing something.

Jaime Oceguera

Rick,

Thank you for your contribution. The Sánchez Dalmau is truly a very interesting family in the Kingdom of Aragón. I enjoyed reading the information you shared with us. I would like to remind all that this is only a theory and needs to be further researched. Rick is not saying that Toribio is the son of D. Miguel Sánchez Dalmau and Da. Isabel Fernández de Híjar y Arellano, but a possibility does exist as with anything. In regards to the timeline, family connections, surnames, and potential explanations, it is a very exciting and has opened more doors. I originally suggested many years ago that Hernández de Arellano is actually a compound surname and presented the theory that it was compounded by Fernández de Híjar and Ramírez de Arellano and it is nice to see we are all building upon each other's research. If it helps Toribio and Isabel did have a son name D. Gabriel Sánchez de Arellano, who married Isabel Sánchez de Lara on 14 Feb 1584 in Santa María de los Lagos, daughter of

I've just connected myself to Toribio Hernandez Arellano. Wooo hoo!

R.A. Ricci,

Thank you for the information on the Covarrubias. Gaspar de Covarrubias’ specific connection to the Bishop Diego de Covarrubias kept eluding me.

Also, does the eighth testigo of Juan de Hororzco, Toribio Hernandez, fit with yours, or is he a new unrelated Toribio? He had caught my attention because he was commenting on the converso members of Juan de Horozco’s family and because you had recently posted your Toribio Hernandez being from a mixed converso family.

R.A. Ricci,

While researching the Covarrubias family I ran into a Toribio Hernandez. You might want to look into this if you have not seen it already.

At peres.mcu.es there is a document:
“Información genealógica de Juan Orozco de Covarrubias”
ES.28079.AHN/1.1.11.6.4//INQUISICIÓN,1469,Exp.21

It is dated 8 August 1573.

The original images are not viewable at peres.mcu.es but the same record is copied in the book “Camcionero / Sebastián de Horozco ; introducción, edición crítica, notas, bibliografía y genealogía de Juan de Horozco por Jack Weiner,” Bern : H. Lang, 1975. Starting on page 325.

The fourth testigo is a Juan Fernandez who mentions a Toribio Hernandez and the eighth testigo is a Toribio Hernandez.

So you're saying that Miguel Sanchez and Isabel Hernandez de Hijar Ramirez de Arellano are the parents of Toribio? If so, I can go ahead and make the changes to that on the geni.com website.

Rick,

Have you ever seen evidence of your Diego Marquez de los Olivos (generation 13 in your original post) having had a brother or half-brother Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos, Alguacil Mayor de Juchipila?

Much of the following is repeated from one of my old posts found here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22981

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In the book:
La hacienda "Ciénega de Mata" de los Rincón Gallardo: un modelo excepcional de latifundio novohispano durante los siglos XVII y XVIII, by José Fernando Alcaide Aguilar, 2004.

An interesting note on page 470: footnote number 488 at the bottom of the page shows Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos becoming Alguacil Mayor de Juchipila and mentions him as the brother of a Diego Marquez de los Olivos. The record that footnote number 488 is referring to can be referenced at:

1. http://pares.mcu.es/
2. click on the tab labeled “Busqueda Sencilla,”
3. where it says

Mr. Ricci,

who are the parents of Toribio's mother Isabel Ramirez de arellano

Danny C. Alonso

Congratulations Alex on finding the correct lineage.   I also have Diaz de Leon in my ancestral lines. I descend from one of Andres Diaz de Leon’s brothers. I heavily studied your branch before Manny Diez Hermosillo informed me that I descend from his brother. Manny’s research into this line has been very rewarding. 

Good luck in your continuing research,

Rick A. Ricci

I and others have researched primary sources from which we share our findings in WikiTree and in this forum. I understand that errors or incorrect assumptions are made and to that end I welcome and appreciate suggestions for improvements and corrections to information that I provide. I would also like to add that I am indebted to past researchers like Jaime Holcombe who provided the foundation from which we can add to. In regards to the information that you have provided in your post, I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide sources (aside from Jorge Barba's book) that confirm the following:

• Luis López Ramírez is the son of Luis López and Isabel Sánchez.
• Sebastián Ramírez is the son of Andrés López and Isabel Ramírez.
• Ana de la Cueva is the daughter of Pedro García de la Cueva and María Teresa de Sandoval.
• Andrés López, married to Isabel Ramírez, is the son of Álvaro López and Catalina López.
• Catalina López, wife of Álvaro López, is the daughter of Juan López and Inés López.

Un

Hello Alice,

I found the proposed Rangel to Ha Levi ancestral line.   We discussed it here on nuestrosranchos in another thread.    There are mistakes in that line. I will do more research before posting it again.  

Thanks for bringing this up again, 

Rick A. Ricci

I have not connected the Romo family to the ha Levi family but it would not surprise me.  My Grandfather J HERMENEGILDO Romo Franco told me that we descended from Jews but never gave details.   He stated that presently our family was Roman Catholic but that family had a past with a different religion.   It was his way of saying that we had Jewish ancestors.   But these Jewish ancestors that he was talking about could have come from any of his ancestral lines, and not from a direct Romo ancestry. My grandfather is a third cousin to Santo Toribio Romo twice.

Diego el Romo was accused of Blasphemy in 1569 by the inquisition.  I still haven’t connected this Diego el Romo to my family line but he is from the same area as my Romo ancestors 


Rick A. Ricci

I have not connected the Romo family to the ha Levi family but it would not surprise me.  My Grandfather J HERMENEGILDO Romo Franco told me that we descended from Jews but never gave details    He stated that presently our family was Roman Catholic but that family had a past with a different religion.   It was his way of saying that we had Jewish ancestors.   “ Diego el Romo” was accused of Blasphemy in 1569 by the inquisition.  This Diego lived in the same area as my Romo ancestors.    

My ancestor Diego Romo de Vivar is a grandchild of “Juan Luis Rincon and Maria Romo” who lived at the same time, and in the same area, as Diego el Romo.

Rick A. Ricci

You mentioned “late Sergio Gutierrrez”.   Is this the same Sergio Gutierrez that wrote a few  of books regarding Gutierrez genealogy and genealogy in Jalostotitlan? When and how did he pass away?   

27 May 1573

I just found a dowry record of another ancestor of mine, Berenguela De Montemayor, that names her father as Martin Alfonso De Montemayor. He does not name Berenguela in his will. Married daughters were often excluded from wills. This female ancestor was a great grandmother of Ruy Diaz De Mendoza. This is the documented line of ancestry of Ruy Diaz De Mendoza that is married to Catalina Salazar. This is another of multiple instances that I have seen where a daughter who is named as receiving a dowry from their father is not named in his will as he has already “ taken care “ of her financially.

The Lope Ruiz De Esparza record that I saw only named his mother-in-law as Moctezuma’s granddaughter, but Guillermo Teresa De Tovar notified me that he had a record in his possession that identified her as part of the Sotelo Moctezuma family. He did not show it to me but he did send me a “verbatim quote”. He said that he would send me a copy but he passed away before was able to pass it on

Is there still debate about whether or not Petronila de Moctezuma was a direct line descendant of Moctezuma, and who her parents were?

I have read Margo Tamez's Ph.D disseration about Petronila's lineage and the debate about who her parents were. I also read in Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia, volume 7, page 214, author Mauriano Gonzalez- Leal, that Petronila is a child of Leonor de Valderamma y Moctezuma and Diego Arias de Sotelo.

Is there now general consensus about her parents? Have any documents been identified that support the theory about her parents?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Hay información sobre esto en geni

https://www.geni.com/people/Petronila-Sotelo-de-Moctezuma/6000000009142…

See http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/system/files/private/active/0/Moctezuma%…, this is a bit dated, but is what I could verify from historical references.

I have never seen a document that connects Petronila de Moctezuma to this family

Diego Romo de Vivar is identified as first cousin to Diego Romo de Arellano and that their uncle is Francisco Rincon Romo.  Through other documents we have identified Francisco del Rincon Romo as the son of Juan Luis del Rincon and Maria Romo.  I have the documents verifying this information.   

”En su testamento, Diego Romo de Arellano afirmó que "cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”, a quien “le prestó un negro que Diego Romo de Vivar vendió a Hernando de Bustillos" (el Capitán Hernando de Bustillos era, en 1634, el dueño de la Hacienda de Canutillo, en la jurisdicción del Real del Parral). El testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano fue otorgado en Tlaltenango el 26 de octubre de 1667, habiendo sido testigos de su otorgamiento los Padres Predicadores Fray Diego Illanes y Fray Pedro Gómez, Vicario. En una actuación realizada el 30 de octubre de

Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.  Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as uncle of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar.  The son of the Capitan, also named  Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that  identifies Pedro Rincon Ortega as his  “tio”.   Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar and a first cousin, Diego Romo de Arellano, are sons of siblings of their tio Francisco Ricon y Romo de Vivar.

"cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”

Hello Erik and Manny,

I went back and reread your statement that:

                   “Diego Pérez (husband of Inés Gómez) was the brother of Juan de Fuentes, who married Inés del Rincón.”. 

 I did not have that information. Another tangle in this family web.  

Thanks again Erik for your excellent work,

and thank you Manny for finding the information that Alonso de Fuentes is a brother of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.   It drove me to do more research which added many puzzle pieces.


Rick A. Ricci

Romo lineage from Juan Romo to Pedro Rincon Ortega, uncle of Diego Romo de Vivar:

Saludos Eric,

After researching the subject, I discovered that you were correct in your original statement that Diego Romo de Vivar and Alonso Fuentes are brothers.  After reading documents that identify Juan Luis Ricon’s brother’s genealogical tree I am convinced, and I no longer doubt that they are brothers. 

Juan Fuentes had a first marriage prior to his marriage to Ynes del Rincon

Thanks again for all your work Erik,

Rick A. Ricci

Ejecutoria del pleito litigado por Pedro de Vivar, vecino de Rielves (Toledo), con el concejo de dicha villa, sobre su hidalguía. Archivo de la Real Chancillería de Valladolid  1575
 

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/6678462?nm

   Bienes de difuntos: Diego del Rincón

Diego del Rincón, vecino de Toledo, donde murió con testamento. 1584.

sobre los bienes de Diego del Rincón, vecino de Toledo, donde murió con testamento. Casado con Ana de Luján, vecina de Toledo. Heredero: Juan Rincón, su hijo

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/94599

.

Saludos Erik,

Here is a legal battle between two family members that are in that document that you provided Erik.  
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/find?nm=&texto=Diego+romo+de+palacios+

Pleito entre Diego Alonso Fernández, vecino de Madrid (Madrid), contra Diego Romo de Palacios, vecino de Fuensalida (Toledo), sobre la tenuta y posesión de los memorías y obras pías que fundó Luis Gómez.

I believe that Luis Gomez is ancestor to Maria Gomez.

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/134529?nm

Here is a record of a Diego Romo crossing the Atlantic Ocean as a criado of his brother Luis Romo Diaz (Daza).   Diego and Luis are the sons of Juan Romo y Ana Díaz de Agüero.

What is interesting about the next line is tha JUan Romo’s father is not surnamed Romo, his mother is the Romo:

On more than one occasion I have found someone surnamed Diaz to later find them with the longer surname Diaz de Vivar.

Alonso Diaz and Maria Romo are the parents of

Juan Romo who married Maria Diaz (daughter of Juan Alonso El Viejo and Ana Diaz).

They are the parents of Pedro Romo who traveled to new Spain in 1594

the area where Pedro Romo is from is part of Rielves , Toledo
 https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/memories/2MS7-VRX

Pedro is most likely a cousin of Diego Romo and Luis Romo.

Hello Erik,

Here are some more documents that may provide more puzzle pieces:

Informaciones genealógicas de Juan García Rosado, natural de San Juan del Puerto (Huelva), pretendiente a familiar del Tribunal de la Inquisición de México, y de su mujer María Romo, natural de Rielves (Toledo)

S supplied title:

Informaciones genealógicas de Juan García Rosado y de María Romo, su mujer

reference number:

INQUISICIÓN,1277,Exp.38

date of formation:

1628

level of description:

Unidad Documental Compuesta_en

reference code:

ES.28079.AHN//INQUISICIÓN,1277,Exp.38

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/1551676?nm

——————-

Pedro Perez 1569

Expediente de concesión de licencia para pasar a Nueva España a favor de Pedro Pérez, vecino de Rielves, que va a México, donde están sus primos Luis del Rincón y Alonso Romo  Mateo Romo

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/438983

————+

Proceso criminal de Alonso Romo, familiar del santo oficio, natural y vecino de Portillo de Toledo, a instacia

Saludos Erik,

Hello Erik,

I applaud your focus on the De Vivar (de Bibar) family as most other searches have focused primarily on the Romo surname.  And most searches have focused on the name Diego Romo, as the name Diego is repeated often in each family in Spain, and the name Diego Romo de Vivar is repeated in Nueva Galicia. But the name Pedro is also repeatedly found in Spain and Nueva Galicia, which leads me to the following question:

Can you add any information on Pedro de Bibar (de Vivar) and his wife Catalina Romo (daughter of Pedro de Vivar is from Fuensalida that are mentioned in the document you provided?  Is this Pedro de Vivar and Catalina Romo  the same couple that you mentioned earlier. 

Pedro Rincon de Ortega is named as Diego Romo de Vivar’s uncle.   It is most likely that Pedro is a “tio abuelo” as Pedro’s parents are Francisco Rincon de Vivar y Romo and Maria de La Vega. Pedro Rincon’s paternal grandparents are Luis Rincon and Maria Romo. I believe that this Maria Romo the

In many cases where someone is illegitimate someone in the family tries to hide that fact and makes up a different family connection. Many years ago I shared the following information based on a primary source, a will, that clearly identifies  Pero (Pedro) Gonzalez de Alcocer is his father. Fernando Diaz de Alcocer is the grandfather to Jurado “Diego Diaz de Alcocer”.

 No hay dos Jurado Diego de Alcocers, pero si hay dos Diego de Alcocer. Fernando de Alcocer si tuvo un hijo Diego de Alcocer que murio joven. El padre de Jurado Diego de Alcocer es el Doctor Pero (Pedro) Gonzalez de Alcocer.

I find Diego de Alcocer listed as a son to Fernan Diaz de Alcocer as passing away at a young age, way too young to have left descendants.

Later on when the family all of Fernan’s children are recorded in a document you don’t find Diego’s name there because he had already passed away.    The other Diego Alcocer is from an illegitimate relationship that his son the priest had.

The source where I had picked

Erik, muchas gracias por compartir estas nuevas gran informaciones. !Estoy muy agradecido por el trabajo de Jorge Barba, Manny Diez y de Usted!

Un cordial saludo,

Austin Pérez

Saludos Erik,

When you brought up the issue of saying that you have confirmed brother and not brother in law I immediately thought of a book that I am writing on a famous person whose ancestry has been up for debate for centuries.  

While looking for my ancestors I came across the true ancestry and began researching and writing about his family over 20 years ago.  I had over 200 pages written when someone else wrote a book with a different twist than my ancestry for him.   I was dumbfounded and wondered how all of my research showed a certain ancestry while this other book showed a different ancestry for his mother.  I did even more research and my research confirmed my findings while this other author put out another book where he doubled down on his findings.  And his findings hung on the word “brother”.  It wasn’t until Steven Francisco Hernandez Lopez, a genealogist that I greatly admire, made a mistake in putting a family tree together because a brother in law had been called

Thanks for sharing Erik the clarification regarding that baptismal record of Diego.

Diego Romo and Juan Romo are brothers.

Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo that married Pedro Rico.  (Pedro Rico is the son of Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez).

Pedro Rico and Maria Romo are the parents of Juan De Fuentes who married Ynes Fernandez daughter of Isabel Fernandez (Hernandez) and  Pedro Hernandez del Rincon

Juan de Fuentes and Ines del Rincon are the parents of Rafael Rincon 

Going back to Juan Romo’s brother Diego Romo we know that this Diego Romo was also referred to as Diego Romo el Viejo as there was a long string of “Diego Romo”s in the family.  

Diego Romo el Viejo’s son Diego Romo was also known as el moço

Diego Alonso Romo had more children.  In this post I am only identifying two of his sons, Diego Romo el Viejo and Juan Romo. Another son  of Diego Alonso Romo’s also has descent in what is now Los Altos de Jalisco. The reason for only identifying two lines right now is to confirm what

Is this the same person who was married to don Bernardino de Estrada Bocanegra, married 2/28/1649 at Santa Maria de los Lagos? 

Son Diego is named with the compound last name Muñoz Rubio in his marriage with Josefa Martín de Bocanegra:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5T4-B?cc=1874591&wc=3J6F-… : 15 December 2021), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 > image 410 of 523; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

and also in his marriage with Mariana del Ángel (de los Ángeles), in which his father is named as Miguel Muñoz Rubio:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TH-8?cc=1874591&wc=3J6F-… : 15 December 2021), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 > image 440 of 523; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

The

Is this Nicolas related to the above-named person, who was married to Josefa de Chaves in 1662 in Nochistlan?

San Juana Jauregui and J Encarnacion Yniguez are the parents of Nicolas Jauregui married to Tomasa Jauregui. 

Erik,

That is very cool, will definitely check it out.

Thank you,

Edward

Great news, Erik! I will surely order a copy!

Saludos,

Manny Díez Hermosillo

De Nobleza Inmemorial: Genealogía y poder en los linajes de Nueva Galicia, Nueva España y el obispado de Michoacán (Spanish Edition) Hardcover – March 10, 2026
Spanish Edition  by Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez (Author)

Hello Erik,

I am really looking forward to your latest book.  I have looked for it online, but I haven’t been able to find it. Please let us know when it is available to buy.

Thanks again for your excellent work,

Rick A. Ricci

Congratulations Erik on your latest book. I look forward to reading it.   If I were to pick the three lineages that I am looking forward to the most is (1) Lomeli (2) Nuñez de Soto and Pantoja, and (3) your research on Juan de Portugal. 

Thanks again,

Rick

Don’t give up on the line “Antonio de Aguayo (son of Joseph de Aguayo and Manuela de Aguilar) married to Maria "Camacho Hermocillo" (not Yanez).”

More research is needed on Maria CamachoHermosillo    She may be the same Maria that is named Yañez    More research is needed to find out if they are the same person    In my research I have found many people, especially woman during this time frame, to be using different surnames 

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

Hello JL,

Welcome to this group! 

I'm a novice to Spanish Colonial genealogy, but I made a couple of reminder notes for myself from the info in your post. If I run into anything in the future that may assist you in your search, I'll reach out. 

Best of luck.

Travis

While I don’t have a direct ancestor who participated in the American Revolution, in a post from an earlier NR thread, a member revealed that the grandson of one of my ancestors (Bartolome Delgado, of Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas) did participate. The link to the post can be found here (and includes a link to the poster’s source): https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/comment/30195#comment-30195

His entry says: Juan José Delgado. MPR:G, on 26 Nov 1775, widower of Josefa Leonarda Juarez and son of Juan Manuel Delgado of Sierra de Pinos and Matiana Contreras, married Ma Margarita Sanchez, daughter of Juan Bautista Sanchez and Juana Ma Diez. They [bur?] in in 1781.

That marriage took place in Nueva Ciudad Guerrero, Tamaulipas, just south of Laredo, TX. It doesn’t give any specifics of how he was involved, but the source given does give a list of Spaniards & New Spaniards who fought in the Revolution that can perhaps be helpful to you.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Thanks you Erik for this new information on Lázaro Martin del Campo .    I descend from Lázaro numerous times.  

Rick A. Ricci

Estimada Veronica,

La familia de mi madre esta muy vinculada con las familias del Valle de Huejucar. Mi cuarto bisabuelo se llamaba D. Marcos de Velasco, este nacio el 21 de febrero de 1847 en el rancho Las Canoas que partencia a dicha familia. Aqui me entra una de varias ramas de los Rodriguez de Frias. Tal Marcos era hijo de Bruna Rodriguez de Frias, esta de Basilio Rodriguez de Frias, este de Pablo Florentino Rodriguez de Frias y este de Santiago Rodriguez de Frias y la madre se llamaba Maria Cristina Macias Valades y Jimenez Perez de Contreras. Aun no he logrado identificar los padres mas deberian nacer alreadores de 1725 tal vez en Nochistlan o Teocaltiche. Se que tuvieron unos hijos bautizados en Santa Maria de los Lagos.

Tal vez alguna persona tiene dato adicional.

Un saludo,
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Veronica,

Yo tengo el libro de José Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias. Buscare los nombres en el indice.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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Que tal Amigos,

Es un mundo de informacion la que hay relacionada al apellido Rodriguez en Nochistlan, sin embargo yo estoy buscando a una familia en especifico y aunque el libro de Nochistlan seguramente esta muy completo, nose si me sirva para mi busqueda especifica. Les cuento esperando su consejo...

En 1759 vivia la familia (aparentemente española), compuesta por EUGENIO RODRIGUEZ Y MARCELINA GERTRUDIS CALVILLO, vivian en El Salitre, rancho cercano a Calvillo (antes llamado Valle de Huejucar), ellos tuvieron por lo menos los siguientes hijos:
Maria Casilda, Joseph Dionisio, Albina Gertrudis (casada con Juan Pablo Teliz en Yahualica), Joseph

I don’t have them as children of Francisco Gonzalez Martinez cc Magdalena de Lavezares, but if either of them is, it’d be Magdalena Gonzalez cc Nicolas Sandoval, because from the kinship given in the dispensa of Lorenzo Mexia cc Magdalena Santillan, Magdalena de Lavezares cc Geronimo Sandoval was their granddaughter. The dispensa has the betrothed at 4o con 4o (and 4o con 3o in another line), but doesn’t explain the relationship, but from other records, the probable kinship is this:

Bernardino de Isla-1- ? ? ? ?
Juan de Isla-2-Magdalena Lavezares (cc Geronimo Sandoval)
Mariana de Isla-3-Cristobal Sandoval
Lorenzo Mexia-4-Magdalena Santillan

Using the process of elimination, Magdalena’s parents would have to be either Ynes Gonzalez cc Juan Gonz Hidalgo, or Andrea Lavezares cc Juan de la Cruz Martin Bermejo (Diego Gonzalez had a daughter named Magdalena, but she married Antonio Tovar Legazpi, and Juana Gonzalez cc Marcos Gonzalez had no children).

Dispensa, Lorenzo Mexia cc Magdalena Santillan

Hello again, Manny! 

I was adjusting Diego Ysquierdo's birthdate (I guessed him "about 1621" which I know now to be impossible), and decided to check Ana's household in the 1669 Padron of Lagos because I remember seeing a Sanchez noted as living with her. 

After staring at the page for about a minute, I realized thanks to your new information, that almost the entire page deals with Ana's extended family group and the people living on their properties. A real eye opener!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KY67

Manny, that is incredible. 

This new information impacts my tree (Tavera/Ysquierda/Ñagas) so thank you very much for sharing. 

Best,

Travis

You might already have this one: dated 19 Jul 1565 in Villa de los Lagos, it’s regarding a land grant made by Hernan Martel to Pedro de Anda, his wife, Beatriz de Castañeda, and her sister, Margarita Gomez. Also mentioned is Juan de Zorita, who I believe was Beatriz de Castañeda’s brother (?): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-D9XR-T?i=135&cat=…

It starts on Image 134, with their son, Esteban de Anda y Castañeda, selling one of the sitios to Alonso de Torres, on 2 May 1605.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Though some of my lines intermarried with the Anda’s, I don’t descend from them, so I haven’t researched them much. But, Pedro de Anda (born ca 1563, so I assume he was the younger) was one of the founders of San Luis Potosi, and he and his brother, Esteban de Anda (ca 1577), appear a lot in the SLP notary archives during those first decades, so I’d suggest you direct some of your attention to those archives. FamilySearch offers that new AI search feature, so you can do filtered searches.

Good luck, and share what you find!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hola.

En la plataforma Geneanet en la genealogía aportada por Javier Sánchiz, se encuentra la siguiente información:

Primera Generación

Hernando Padilla Dávila (1494) casado con Leonor de Machicao

Segunda generación

Lorenzo Padilla Dávila Machicao (1530) casado con Mariana Temiño de Velasco

Tercera Generación

Diego Padilla Dávila Temiño de Velasco (1560) casado con Ana Mota Vera

Cuarta Generación

Lorenzo Padilla Dávila Mota (1609) casado en primeras nupcias con Catalina Híjar Mesa

Quinta Generación

Diego Padilla Dávila Híjar casado con Lucía Flores de la Torre

Aparece un segundo matrimonio, pero no con Inés de Castro y Mesa, es probable que Catalina si sea la madre de Diego, pero que aparezca como madre otra mujer (Inés) que pudo ser su madrastra y a la vez su tía.

Antiguamente existía la costumbre, los viudos con bebés se casaban con una hermana o parienta de la mujer fallecida para que les ayudara a criar el niño.  Tanto Catalina como Inés comparten el apellido Mesa. También es probable que

1)- Rollo “Hrolfr” “Rolf” “Rollon” “Rollo the Viking” “Rollo the Walker” “Rollo Normandy” nació in 860 ad y murio entre 928 ad y 933 ad. Rollo es uno de los más importantes Vikingos en historia. Rolls es antepasado de muchas casas reales en Europa. Rollo y Poppa procreáron a Guillaume “William Longsword.” 2)- Guillaume, “William Longsword”, (Guillaume Longue-Épée en frances) Lord of the Normans. Guillaume nacio en 893, fue asasinado 17/December/942. El controlo Normandía desde 927 hasta su muerte. Guilluame y Sprota procreán a Richard I “the Fearless”. 3)- Richard I “the Fearless”, Duke of Normandy , Richard I y su padre crecieron los terrenos de Normandy. Richard I y Gunnora procrearon Richard II “The Good” 4)- Richard II “The Good”, Duke of Normandy, nacio 23/August/963 y murió 28 August 1026. Richard II procreáro a Robert I. 5)- Robert I “the Magnificent”, Duke of Normandy Robert I procrearo a Guillermo I. 6)- Guillermo I, El Conquistador, nació en 1028, reinó en Inglaterra desde el

Bernardina Mendoza did not descend from the Juan Pantoja that we have been tracking in this thread. Bernadina’s parents and ancestry can be found at

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24761

The information that was gathered in this original thread was not in vain as it led to understanding the vast and complicated Pantoja ancestry.

Thanks to Erik Andres Reynoso For providing valuable genealogical information that clarified the identities of her parents and grandparents.

Rick A. Ricci

Otro dato incorrecto es el de Gonzalo Núñez de Sotomayor que según se dice nació en 1531 en Guadalajara y esto no puede ser ya que la primera fundación de Guadalajara (en Nochistlan) fue el 5 de enero de 1532 y duro en ese lugar hasta el 8 de agosto de 1533

Hola a todos:

Estoy de acuerdo en lo que dice nuestro amigo Carlos Peredo, es improbable la conexión que se ha hecho de Bernardina de Mendoza con los Duques de Alba, al menos la proporcionaba en algunos sitios de Internet.

Cometí el error hace tiempo de confiar en lo establecido en los sitios de Internet pensando en que no había razón por la cual inventar parentescos o fechas pero con la experiencia te das cuenta que todo debes tener documentado para que goce de validez y es ahí cuando empiezas a dudar de información sin fuente alguna y después por mero análisis como el que ha hecho Carlos Peredo con las fechas de nacimiento de sus supuestos progenitores te das cuenta que los datos en la web son falsos.
También por mi parte he logrado desmentir otras supuestas líneas gracias una investigación rigurosa y en otros casos los nombres son correctos pero a propósito suelen cambiar las fechas como un número en un año por ejemplo: 1681 a 1687. Yo creo que en estos casos, es preferible que

Mario González my Spanish is bad but I have seen a family tree that shows Luis Hurtado de Mendoza Guzman is Bernardina Mendoza 3rd great grandfather as demonstrated below.

Luis Hurtado de Mendoza Guzmán & Inés Toledo

Next generation
Inés Mendoza & Martín Pantoja

Next generation
Juan Pantoja & María Peña

Next generation
Catalina Pantoja & Alonso Cuevas

Next generation
Bernardina Mendoza 1533-1614 married 1554 Gonzalo Núñez de Sotomayor 1531-†

The tree said Un proyecto desarrollado desde el Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas de la Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México